At 5/11/12 04:36 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:
Just a heads-up for you here:
According to Tom, this is basically where the line should be drawn on what counts as shovelware. Any more generic than that, and it's likely to be a sweatshop account.
I can understand this. Those accounts don't seem to submit very often unlike shovelware accounts that submit their shit in a daily-weekly basis.
Obviously there are going to be some grey areas with which are the sweatshops and which are just generic, uncreative flash makers, but there are 2 things I can think of that you can use to spot the difference:
Kind of like SunriseKingdom which seems to be one yet all the games are done with Stencyl?
1. Presence / absence of ads in the flashes.
Obviously, a submitter probably isn't a shovelware account designed to generate ad revenue if it's not putting ads in its flashes.
More specifically.... mochiads. Those ads that show after a moment where you have to wait for the advertisement to play then click on "PLAY GAME >" which will likely take you to the games normal loading screen in some cases. That there, usually tells me it is a shovelware account if it is new and tends to bear "game" or "123" in their name somewhere.
Although I have seen some getting a little more clever with using normal looking usernames to upload their crap. It is usually given away that they are one if the upload a BMX, ATV, car, shooter, or platform game with recognizable characters ranging from Mario, Luigi, and Peach to Spongebob Squarepants.
Lack of ads pretty much rules them out of being submitted for that purpose. Of course, one of them might get clever and only put ads in after their flashes pass judgement, which is why it's a good idea to re-check it after it comes out of the purple if you're unsure.
In my time of seeing shovelware in the last year or two, I have yet to see one give enough of a shit to actually modify the game after it passed to put ads on their game, much less bother to check their inbox or see what reviews they have received on their junk.
2. Amount of flashes submitted.
And how often they submit. Are they submitting 2 games per day almost everyday, probably shovelware unless it is the rare chance it is an actual user who just finished up a series of games and couldn't fit them all in one file.
Again, pretty obvious, but the clue's in the term here: "Shovelware" isn't shovelware until it's being submitted by the shovel-ful. One or two random things that might bear a resemblance to something you've already seen before isn't worth bringing up, but if you come across the same submission more than 3 or 4 times with little or no real differences between them, you've got a shoveller.
Very much truthful although in the last week or two I've seen shovelware sites instead of uploading multiple things on one account, they will make 2-4 accounts to upload lots of crap in one day. Usually given away if they all share incredibly similar menus or some bearing the "gamesgrow" logo.
For this reason, I don't think it's really worth flagging up every last thing that looks like something else that might've been submitted before (unless it's one of the really obvious ad nauseum dress-up etc. games that've already been stamped into everyone's cranium here); only when you start seeing said resemblance more than a few times should it be a cause for concern.
Flagging? Well I hope we can do that soon enough. :P As far as marking things that look like they have been uploaded before, if it looks familiar it is best to hunt on the site to see if it has been. If the flash has a credits page and shows it was made in another year by a completely different user then it would be worth getting marked obviously.
We do want to look for new types of games they come out with (which they will, if they haven't already), but we don't want to get so strict with originality that we end up going after the wrong submitters. It's all about fairness in the portal, after all.
Agreeable and usually you can tell the difference between a shovelware and legitimate account. The legitimate one usuall says "I made..." somewhere in the description whereas a shovelware account is always seemingly talking in second or third person. Then legitimate accounts listen to the reviewers, respond to inbox questions and such whereas a shovelware account never does nor cares what the site thinks of them or if the site wants them gone as they will keep coming back anyways it appears.
Just my random 2 cents on the matter. Along with a penny of unknown currency I found in the couch.
Foreign currency you say? Wonder what country you picked that up in?