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Great, now I gotta go to sleep soon, and now I'm going to have nightmares about that picture, thanks alot Rich!

Kiddin', that was pretty funny.

At 11/29/05 12:16 AM, Locke666 wrote: and you dont feel any guilt that your ancestors enslaved and abused an entire race of pe

ople?
I don't feel guilt for crimes that I did not commit.
Should all Irish people feel personally guilty for the IRA? Should a German boy born in 1992 feel personal guilt about the holocaust? Should an African girl, born twenty years from now, feel guilty for the genocide that was carried out in their country?

At 11/29/05 12:46 AM, Locke666 wrote:

:Yet the white community still has a crushing guilt complex over what happened to the blacks long ago.

What makes you so special Bob? You either feel none of the guilt that every other white person has or you are a racist.

You're such an immature little boy.
Very few whites feel any personal guilt, about slavery. Don't believe me?
Go ahead, and start asking around.

I don't feel guilty for a crime I did not commit. And because I don't feel guilty for something that happened before my birth, that doesn't mean I'm a racist.

Stop generalizing, boy.

At 11/29/05 12:55 AM, Locke666 wrote: Really now? I live in California and haven't seen the rest of the world eh? Making a bit of a big assumption there arent ya?

Yes, he is. Just as you make big assumptions by saying whites feel a 'crushing guilt' (really, just the thought of the white community experiencing a 'crushing guilt' makes me laugh. Hard).

If you have a reason for the whole "whip" commentary I really will be interested to hear it.

Are you contesting the truth of his statement?

At 11/29/05 12:57 AM, Redbob86 wrote: Does it make you feel like a better person for trying label someone else as racist?

He's just trying to displace some of that (*snicker) 'crushing guilt'.

At 11/29/05 01:03 AM, Locke666 wrote: I must say we're off to a good start though you have already shown that you do indeed have the "white guilt" by going all defensive of yourself when called a racist.

You're a sexist and a homophobe, locke.
And if you deny it, or get defensive...well, that just proves you're a sexist and a homophobe.

You've backed yourself into a corner, with your logic. No matter how you respond to this question, your own stated opinions define you as 'discriminatory'.

Sigh, he's been fed too much PC bullshit.

I would like to throw my weight in with Redbob86 and _FLAGG here. I feel absolutely no guilt for the crimes of my ancestors. If I did, it would be far too confusing to sort out, condidering I'm about half European and half Cherokee in origin.

At 11/29/05 01:46 AM, LordXanthus wrote: I would like to throw my weight in with Redbob86 and _FLAGG here. I feel absolutely no guilt for the crimes of my ancestors. If I did, it would be far too confusing to sort out, condidering I'm about half European and half Cherokee in origin.

Exactly. I'm half Irish, and half German.

Should I feel personal guilt for the actions of the IRA (because I'm Irish), the actions of the germans in WW2 (because I'm German), and the actions of slaveowners in early America (because I'm white)?

Doesn't that just sound fucking stupid?

At 11/29/05 02:55 AM, _FLAGG wrote: Should I feel personal guilt for the actions of the IRA (because I'm Irish), the actions of the germans in WW2 (because I'm German), and the actions of slaveowners in early America (because I'm white)?

Doesn't that just sound fucking stupid?

It most certainly does. I'm still hoping for a future where people are accountable for their own actions, and are not held responsible for the wrongs of distant ancestors. The whole "Your grandparents killed mine" argument is getting pretty old.

At 11/29/05 12:16 AM, Locke666 wrote: Makes you feel good to think of black people asking you to be their master does it Bob? and you dont feel any guilt that your ancestors enslaved and abused an entire race of people?

How could some americans enslave and abuse an ENTIRE race of people?
Last i heard, the yanks didnt deport every single black to america.

At 11/29/05 12:46 AM, Locke666 wrote: Yet the white community still has a crushing guilt complex over what happened to the blacks long ago.

I really couldn't give a flying fuck about what happened to the negros. You will find that the current white community doesn't have this "crushing guilt" because they didn't do it.

All that shit happened ages ago so get over it. Saying that the white community should feel guilt for what some americans did is just as racist as calling all blacks thiefs. Some white people enslaved negros, so what, that doesnt mean that every white person did.

At 11/29/05 01:46 AM, LordXanthus wrote: I would like to throw my weight in with Redbob86 and _FLAGG here. I feel absolutely no guilt for the crimes of my ancestors. If I did, it would be far too confusing to sort out, condidering I'm about half European and half Cherokee in origin.

I've got too many nationalities in my blood to worry about some possible links to acts they have committed. I'm Irish, Croatian, German, Italian, Polish, and French Canadian, I don't have the time nor the patience to try and figure out all of this shit. I'd be too confused on sorting out possible guilt of the Hollocaust between my German and Polish roots, too much of a mindfuck.

Only white people are capable of being racist.

Suggesting otherwise is so racist.

At 11/29/05 05:31 PM, Elfer wrote: Only white people are capable of being racist.

Suggesting otherwise is so racist.

S'right honky!

Let's put it this way...

"ancient ancestors":

Well, most of us hopefully can trace our lineages back a few generations, if we're lucky we can trace them back to when and where our families came from. I for instance, am 3rd generation American. I was born in America, as were my parents and grandparents. My Great grandparents came from Ireland and Yugoslavia, Croatia, and Serbia, and they moved to Detroit and didn't own slaves.

Most people can probably trace a similar pattern, and it's really only a few people that can actually trace their lineage to slave owning families. In addition, many of these families may have been wiped out during and after the Civil War anyways, further diminishing the "ancient ancestors" theory.

Hence, guilt for what my "ancestors" did is a fairly stupid reason to have a double standard....

White people don't get offended by the word "Cracka" because in truth it makes us laugh.

you of a point there it dose make my laugh a bit

I think south Park somes all of this up very well.

"Next time you hurt someone, you better be damm sure there the same colour of your skin."

At 11/28/05 07:46 PM, therealsylvos wrote: sorry for the double post but i just realized this. how come we cant post n*gger but we can post cracker?

Because the n-word can get you banned...
Although... if you want an answer...

Cracker doesn't have the equal impact compared to the N-word.
The word 'cracker' wasn't used as a way to opress white people, but the other did.

Anyways,
naught words aren't nice... so let's avoid them. Then problem solved...

If I had my way, Fli, you'd be banned for three days for your inflammatory and racist picture.

Thank your stars I'm not a mod. Or your landlord.

At 11/29/05 04:55 PM, Redbob86 wrote: I've got too many nationalities in my blood to worry about some possible links to acts they have committed.

Exactly. Most of us are an ethnic Heinz 57, so to hell with guilt.

At 11/30/05 01:30 AM, _FLAGG wrote: If I had my way, Fli, you'd be banned for three days for your inflammatory and racist picture.

Thank your stars I'm not a mod. Or your landlord.

Oh, come now. I thought it was funny. You couldn't be seriously offended by a cute little joke like that, could you?

At 11/30/05 01:30 AM, _FLAGG wrote: If I had my way, Fli, you'd be banned for three days for your inflammatory and racist picture.

Thank your stars I'm not a mod. Or your landlord.

Oh, come now. I thought it was funny. You couldn't be seriously offended by a cute little joke like that, could you?

Come now...
we all know how sensitive Flagg can be.

I don't view 'cracker' as being overtly offensive.
Just like you don't view 'illegal alien' as offensive.

Oh well, the world has a way to balance things out...

Although... I'm sorry if you are personally offended. I thought it was very funny in my post's context. Of all people to be offended, I never suspected you would be one of them.

In white plains a few months ago a black man killed a white woman in a mall parking lot. He even said at one point that he "wanted to kill a white person in the prime of their life" Yet suddenly its not a hate crime, he's "insane".

At 11/30/05 01:07 PM, Morextremist wrote: In white plains a few months ago a black man killed a white woman in a mall parking lot. He even said at one point that he "wanted to kill a white person in the prime of their life" Yet suddenly its not a hate crime, he's "insane".

Well, he IS insane. Unlike the Robert Byrd case, this particular suspect has a history of mental illness. Looks more like the state dropped the ball than anything.

Underlining is mine:
His parole supervision ended after two months because he finished his sentence, but Grant remained in various treatment programs until April, when he was kicked out of the airport shelter for refusing to submit to a mental health evaluation. After that, authorities say, he wandered the streets of White Plains and slept at a drop-in shelter at the airport. He was picked up by police a short time after Russo-Carriero was killed June 29.

He's a level 3 sex offender, and they kept turning him out onto the streets. It was a matter of time before something like this happened.

I don't know much about this case, but I don't think refusing to take a sanity test is a way to determine one's sanity.

Only a pshycologist is able to make that call...

The earlier argument that because you're getting defensive is a sign that you have the white guilt....cracks me up. NOT getting defensive and standing up for yourself is more of a sign of the white guilt. The black racists won't ever shut the hell up until we call them on the carpet for their blantant racism every time they spew their hate. You should stand up for yourself when you're unjustly accused. If you get called a murderer or rapist, then you're just speaking in your own defense if you deny it. But if you deny being racist that makes you guilty of something? I don't buy it. That's bullshit and the guy who posted it knows that.

At 11/30/05 01:48 PM, fli wrote: I don't know much about this case, but I don't think refusing to take a sanity test is a way to determine one's sanity.

Only a pshycologist is able to make that call...

Read the article, plz. i only quoted a part of it to show that the state took no responsibility for a repeat offender, they just kept dumping him back onto the streets. To be fair, it wasn't the state, but the county that kicked him out of the shelter.

Other articles (same source):
http://www.thejourna..08040343/1023/news07

http://www.thejourna..09230308/1023/news07

At 11/30/05 01:30 AM, _FLAGG wrote: If I had my way, Fli, you'd be banned for three days for your inflammatory and racist picture.

Thank your stars I'm not a mod. Or your landlord.

Self-importance is man's greatest enemy. What weakens him is feeling offended by the deeds and misdeeds of his fellow men. Self-importance requires that one spend most of one's life offended by something or someone.--Don Juan

It wasn't that bad. Tasteless maybe, but nothing that should cause such an inflammatory response.

At 11/30/05 02:23 PM, ScaryDeadGirl wrote: ...Tasteless maybe...

Tasteless? Then you're doing it wrong.
A properly made cracker has a bit of sharp cheese and a slice of apple on top... or something else sweet.

My cracker was indeed tasteful.

People have no reason to uses racial slurs. If you have to insult someone, don't do it by race

yea i know

At 11/28/05 07:46 PM, therealsylvos wrote: sorry for the double post but i just realized this. how come we cant post n*gger but we can post cracker?

No white guy gives a damn if you call him a cracker! A cracker is a finger-food. It's not like you can buy unsalted n****rs at the corner store! As for your rant, read the words below these words! (The ones in grey). Hope that clears things up!

I think hate crimes are totally unnecessary. Basically, if I kill a black guy... it shouldn't matter the reason, it's fucking murder. If I beat the shit out of him with a baseball bat, that's assault with a weapon. Why can't we just label crimes for what they are, rather than add bullshit "hate" to it?