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*Stands up and appluads*

My feelings exactly. No system is perfect nor can you hope to make it perfect. I liked it the way it is. Hiding the score was okay but all this whistle-blowing is not needed. The reviews can tell people whether the flash artist has stolen the cartoon and it would still be as effective as whistle-blowing with all of its faults of people making it up and so on.

LET DEMOCRACY RUN WILD AND FREE ONCE MORE!!!

Good call

Yeah, this is a pretty good thing too, to stop the jackasses from stealing movies from other sites and taking the credit for themselves. This gets really annoying, to see that on Newgrounds. If the users want the credit so much, they should take time to learn Flash, to see how hard it is to make a movie, and to think how the REAL authors feel when the excellent movie they've worked on for so long has been taken by someone else for his or her credit.

People that don't submit somewhat quality movies should have no say in this :)

Well I think the new system does make ppl vote a little more fairly. I think the whistle blowing feature may work well. I guess time will tell.

Have to say, that shade_v2 bloke, despite his hatred of what politics has become, should be a politician - he can make bloody good speaches :)

i havnt really got anything new to add, but just gonna support the ideas I thought were good idea. The fact that you're working hard on the site and are determined to make it ever better is greatly appreciated. However, I can't say I like the blow the whistle idea, much for the same reasons as shade_v2 said, and since he can write better than me, I won't bother trying to convince you he's right. But it bloody does feel like somethings gone, somethings missing from this site, when the administrators (who, admitidly, are doing it through entirely good intentions) get actively involved in what happens to the movies on the portals, and when they display more power than all of us. Yes, I know you have the ability to remove a movie you don't like without having to just click 0 and hope everyone else does too, and I appreciate that you don't want this site clogged up with movie's that are stolen etc. However, you might remember the old voting system, used not to be '0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5', but 'X, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5'. The 'X' button flagged the movie and the administrators checked it, much like your 'blow the whistle' idea is meant to do. but since it was abused so much, it was removed. Yeah, this time you track it. But still... there'll be flaws. And more than its worth, I think.

Couple of other points. If you do insist on it, I kinda liked another blokes idea to only let the 'Portal Police' be able to 'blow the whistle'. So people with higher rankings, or with more points, would have this privilage. It would be a similar attraction (and purpose) to the experience points as the fact that your vote is worth more with more points (that sentance aint gramatically correct, but hope you get the gist). Also, the reviews. Right, you want everything to be as fair as possible. good on you. but the reviews should not be taken away. No. that's my opinion, and might not be worth nawt, but hey, I don't like it. too bad.

umm... yeah. but cheers for everything anyway, its good to know you actually listen to us, newgrounds.com is still a hugely democratic place, however much it may seem to be slipping away from it.

I've wasted enough time. Don't die horribly anywhere.

Well I have to admit, when I first heard of the Whistle, I thought it was an excellent idea. It was the one 'magical' solution to all the people's complaints.
But then I read shade_v2's post, and I got what he was trying to say. What year is it again? Oh, it's 1984? I didn't know that. :-)

Anyway, it's really not bad an idea. And I wouldn't mind either way if you kept it or scrapped it. Btw, which whistle do you blow for auto-vote-five movies?

Oh, and one more thing. In the 'Thanks for voting!' page after you vote, could you possibly add links to the authors other movies? Cos it's kinda a pain in the ass to have to click back/return, wait for it load, then click again...

Oh yeah, and I thought you guys said you'd remove that annoying 'Launch automatically from now on' thing...

Anyway, keep up the good work. :-)

this has nothing to do with the topic, but i wanna know how to claim my experience points

Hehe blow the whistle i like it.

I hate that now that if u can't see the comments about the movie it may be sometin that has junk that starts pop-ups. One movie had 10 million pop-ups and people warned me but I saw it anyway and there were 10 million pop-ups.

Dude if people blow the wistle on sumthin', we don't get to blam iT!!!! By the way if you own a mouse, then you get another, would you call them mice, mices, mouces wut??

At 12/6/02 10:51 AM, shade_v2 wrote: So here it is in black and white:

Newgrounds is ours; The users are the admin's. We own it and we run it. We control the horizontal, we control the vertical - Not Tom, not Wade, not even lilJim.

At 12/6/02 04:49 AM, liljim wrote: I don't know what your definition of "overkill" is, but this is less taxing on the system and less harmful to authors

Exactly! shade_v2 talks eloquently of the masses owning everything, but seriously, who pay the bills? Who didn't sell the site for big bucks when dot coms where at a premium? Server-side upgrades are gonna happen, then they evolve, and given time, eventually to please us all.

I can imagine it being quite disheartening for them to get reviews like, "This is stolen!" - when in fact it's not.

The "$tolen-ness" of a movie is a mine-field topic. liljim is a Webmaster Guru, shade_v2 a very fine orator, but when we enter the realm of ownership, then i too have something to say about it. Ownership will NEVER EVER work on the internet. Here's some examples.

1 Is a Star Wars parody just another story rip-off?

2 If the code of a moive was half written by a hacker, and half stolen, then wouldn't the administrators also have to be hackers to differenciate and decide a movies fate. When does COPY and PASTE become boarder line?

3 Isn't half the audio on NG stolen?

4 If 100 million monkeys typed allday everyday their wholely "original" prose, wouldn't they duplicate each other eventually - even re-write the classics?

There are a limited number of pixels to work with, and colours, and sounds, and especially code styles that conform to correct syntax, all of which are supposed to in any way replicate a real physical property.

So we say OMG, not another STICK movie, you stole that idea, photo, sound, script. But Whistle-Blowing doesn't convey any significant meaning... It would take expertise to say this is black and white, but actually, for the sake of endless agument we have to admit that every concept of DIGITAL ownership is as battleship grey as it gets, and equally boring to perceive.

And when I saw the reviews disappear on new submissions, I saw a little bit of that democracy die.

Hidden reviews are but a short delay (hardly a major breach of democratic rights)

We lost the ability to communicate with each other, to respond to each others thoughts.

You can still watch someones movie, and write reviews..

To warn each other of a mailicious movie

ok, you tell the "system" instead of a human (thus possibly saving someones time)

and we lost the option of telling a fellow user to "Go suck a dick, This movie's the shit"

The movie maker will eventually read your comments in his Blam email (that's true record keeping!)

I think that if you weigh the pro's and con's of either leaving reviews visible or hiding them...

It's being abused now we have a NEW BLAM/SAVE system and THAT's why ANY NEW measures are needed! Users are chasing points for percentage power-ups. That's the key issue! We can't go back ever again!!

it opens up very interesting possibilities for special interest groups ... now that a lesser number of people can choose for the rest of us whether something is overtly racist, pornographic, or otherwise mentally unsanitary.

That happens everyday in every country and for every medium, EVEN the internet!

Well... You can pick apart my words and list the rebuttals for the details of my argument - trust me, I know them better than anyone.

How did i do? ~Oh BTW, what happens if a protected movie gets replaced by a mailicious, racist, overtly pornographic movie, ..where's the B T W then? ;O)_*

The masses are losing their votes because the few have abused our freedom.

We have the freedom to express our opinions - and it co$ts nothing to do so.. God Bless America!!!

I think the system is very good but is there any way to shrink it or place it in a different area, I mean I dont like staring at a big fucking wistle everytime I watch a movie. It takes up alot of space.

whoa man ... sounds like you guys are adding a lot to this place. "blow the whistle" ? hmm ... sounds interesting ...

Damn, thats pretty cool.

now that i think about it. Thats pretty gay.

I blew the whistle. It tasted like meat.

At 12/6/02 10:51 AM, shade_v2 wrote:
First I want to say... BLA BLA BLA...

Dude, i think you need to go out side or something, you take this stuff a bit to seriously. And if you would stop being so stubbern and read... in fact i'm not going to bother trying to explain to you anything because i know you'll just read the first two sentences of this post and then go out and write a 2 page essay on it. I'll just cut to the chase for you. It's a SITE, not your LIFE. If you were so into to wanting democracy i suggest stop spending so much time on here and go out in the sun and try effecting some "REAL" life problems. Thank you :)

Movie Submitters should be able to see their score before it is toooo late

At 12/5/02 10:45 PM, shade_v2 wrote: This is just massive over kill. The idea of a Blow the Whistle button is insulting and ridiculous. Let me get this straight: You can't trust the users to vote fairly and impartially but you can trust them with a button that will - if clicked enough - rip a submission from the pages of NG? Ok, yeah...?

I agree with this dude. YOU CAN'T TRUST PEOPLE, NOBODY!!! Until absolutely everybody on Newgrounds votes responsibly and views the movie, they shouldn't be given the option to say shit's stolen and the other shit you mentioned. I think, instead of a Blow the whistle button you should have a "BLOW ME!" button that bans idiots dumb enough to push it. Ok, maybe a code that prevents the vote box from coming up until the people view the movie for the estimated time of the movie itself. That way you couldn't just press the view movie button, click out of it, and vote 0. NO BLOW THE WHISTLE BUTTON!!! If anybody agrees with me type "BLOW ME!" in your message somewhere, if you are a girl and agree with me type "FUCK YOU!" I may be banned from NG for saying this but I have to, I am going to put this here without many curse words, Such as well the before mentioned.

NG IF YOU ARE GOING TO DELETE MOVIES THAT ARE SAID TO BE STOLEN WITH A DAMN BUTTON I WILL STILL COME TO NG

because well there are like 50,000 or 250,000 people
and if i'm not there it won't really do anything to your popularity. I just won't like it and flood Wade's e-mail and yours with shit that has something along the lines of FUCK THE WHISTLE as the title. I will probably just put something like get rid of the damn thing in the message part.

Oh, i forgot one thing too. I like Hardcore pornography, I used to come here for my palmala haund needs. palmala haund is probably somebody's name but when I say it, it means jerking off, or spanking, waxing, or jerking needs.

it isnt working liljim

Error - the server is under extreme load at the moment and is unable to deal with your request. Please check back later! Please go back and try again.

this has been happening all day to everyone i know.

MOVE THE WHISTLE! I was just viewing a movie and I had this sudden urge just to push it. People who usually don't watch the movie or really vote that much either but read the reviews, Resist the Whistle! I am not kidding you just feel like pushing it your like hey it's there, I am going to push one so you do and it was actually a very good movie but you just got it to go bye bye. In a post earlier I wrote like 15-20 minutes ago I said put a "BLOW ME!" button in its place. I never actually saw the whistle yet, I just thought it was in a corner or something but where it is now, I would be banned. It is basically saying to me push me, push me fucker. Of course I push it you just called me a fucker why wouldnt I push it. I would punch it but its on a computer monitor. okie Think thats all folks (from who ever the hell made cartoons that porky says that in probably Warner Brothers)

Found a stolen movie titled Cyberton by Nemesis1543, could not get the blow the whistle (stolen) link to work, it wouldnt do anything, and ,YES, I was logged in.

But aren't the entries checked by the NG people before they are thrown in the portal? it would make alot more sence than having us, tell u to check it, and also then you would have a rough idea of fair voting and what in your opinions the movie deserved/didn't in points.

Makes more sence to me anyway :oP

and could someone please point out to me where this button actually is? Because i can't seem to see it anywhere!

cheers

I don't get it, when does a movie go off 'Under Judgement'?

BUG REPORT:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=31330

Ocremix #1 Is Under judgement dispite its submission date "09/12/2001" this movie should NOT be under judgement.

That's another good idea. There's a lot of stolen stuff ont he portal--people infringe on copyrights and steal flash movies that other people tried very hard to make--all without the slightest care. it's good to know that it's possible to blow the whistle on them.