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WOW!Already Updated the new system! Good work, now it's as fair as its going to get.

Maybe you could make the votes re-appear on movies who have less than 1.00 after 30 votes and who are of more than 1 meg, it would leave an equal chance to people with fast and slow modems to score a point (which is fun) by blamming a big crap ( which is also fun).
You should also put an animation for the person who casts a protecting (100th) vote, that way it would be equally cool and fun to blam or protect a movie.

I guess the ultimate test for this system is submiting it to a poll ( which I precict would get a favorable response)

And maybe you could change the level icons someday, I mean, we've all seen them now and they are not as cool as they where back in the day. Maybe you could add more levels, so people would change more often ( it is soo long after level 10!). How about weapons from video games, like a gunblade or a Katana. Or...a uzi, from Pico2... or ... you know... that... um... ray gun, from the second level of Alien hominid...

Well anyways, keep up the extremely good work

O yeah... Sorry to post multiple mesages - this is my third consecutive message - Just trying to be a good member of newgrounds and speaking up on ideas and suggestions to make this site better. You should really, someday, force the voters to view the movie first - so you have to view the movie or play the game to vote... some voters may just click on the voting bar when it's under judgement to try to earn a BLAM or PROTECTION point by guessing fast without even looking at the movie, therefore excellent movies still may be unreasonably trashed, while trashy movies may not get blammed and remain as a pile of shit on NewGround's server.

thank you Tom. we should all be happy about this. it is a real improvement. the population of the portal has gone down by thousands in a month or two.

At 12/3/02 05:53 PM, LeekClock wrote: Hey

I was checking out one of my movies and it said something like "YOU CANNOT REVIEW THIS MOVIE, IT IS STILL UNDER JUDGEMENT"

Whats that all about?

It had more than 100 views... :$

At 12/3/02 05:53 PM, LeekClock wrote: Hey

I was checking out one of my movies and it said something like "YOU CANNOT REVIEW THIS MOVIE, IT IS STILL UNDER JUDGEMENT"

Whats that all about?

Sorry... THIS IS MY LAST MESSAGE... LOL... I just want to answer this guy's question...

I'm not so sure, but I think that this is because movies that are under judgement may be blammed and every bit of data for it deleted, including the reviews, so if you write a review at that time, when the movie is blammed you lose your review and the time you took to write it.

w00t! I'm glad to see you finally took up my suggestion!
(okay, so maybe you guys didn't do just because of me, but I definitely did suggest this a long time ago)

Anyway, one more thing you might consider adding:
Don't allow anyone to vote if the 'votes' number is greater than the 'views' number. This could prevent people from recklessly blamming 'stick-skate' or clock movies before watching them. (or stupid clocks who give all clock movies 5 without watching)

Oh, and I got a question.
Can the author of the movie look at the reviews before blam/protection? Cos if he can't, and his movie get blammed, then he won't be able to see any suggestions people might've given in their reviews.

At 12/3/02 02:19 PM, poxpower wrote: but I have an internet provider, in Canada, who sets a limit of downloads, and we are 3 to share this limit in my house ( and some of us download a lot), so I would be pissed to have to watch a 4meg crap about sticks killing each other or containig an uncompressed sound file.
It's not my case, but some people have sloooooooow connections, and I think banning them isn't fair, nor is this! Think about the time they'll have to spend in front of their comp to get to a security guard if they don't know what the movie score is.

Poxpower, do you even understand the point of the whole voting system?? It's not here just for people to get their blam/protection points. It's here so people can contribute to getting rid of crap and 'recommend' good movies for others (who don't hang out at NG all day) to watch.
In the end, no matter what internet connection you have, no one should have the right to vote without viewing. Period.

Suggestions? Maybe you could make the score reappear at 45-50 votes, that way, you insure that most of those votes are fair and that people with slow connections will get to score a point without watching. (I mean, what's wrong with voting 0, without watching, on a movie which has a 0.04 score after 45 votes or one which has a 3.35 score after 50 votes)

Nope. When I suggested this a while ago, it was pointed out by Wade (I think) that people will intentionally hold onto their one vote until a movie reaches 50, look at the score and get a point.

Now, maybe the site would run faster if you deleted all the old movies who have a score of less tan 1.5, that would clear ,like, 20 pages!

Now this is a good idea. :-)

At the risk of sounding like the going-with-the-crowd people you are talking about:

The hidden scores and reviews idea, frankly sucks. I can see the problem, and the solution, but from where I'm sitting its just plain awkward.
I think you should put it back to how it was or put a button on the portal screen that lets you decide whether you want to see them or not. I always read the reviews before I watch a movie and again after, I bear in mind others' critisism and praise when I make my final decision. Despite this I rarely find that my score mirrors the average too closely.
For example if 1 person votes 5 coz thats wot the movies worth and a blammer votes 0 to get the point, I would, more than likely give it a 5/4. Not, as you presume, a 3(average of 1 and 5).

TsunamiS
Concerned officer of the Newgrounds Republic Army(NRA-does not exist...yet) and pissed-off voter.

At 12/3/02 01:40 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Sounds fair.

I have an idea, add a new Portal colom, and when you up date one of your flash movies, it will go there. You will need to have some sort of limits (for it to appear there) such as once a week. You would be able to update a movie any time but when you submit it, if you haven't updated it in a week there could be a check box that says "Place my movie in the update colom" or something like that. This would help you your server space since people (like me) resubmit movies to the portal as new just so more people can look at it.

Love the new portal by the way, you've really come a long way in a year!!!!!!!

With all due respect, Mr. Fulp, these new adjustments kind of suck!

I noticed that you said you would be updating the portal...when i go to the portal, the newest animations list sinks to the bottom of the screen and swims around when i try to click on it. Is this some kind of sick joke intended for mac users? is this simply a glitch that only happens on a mac? it must have to do with your update because today is my first time seeing this post on the front page and the first time seeing this happen on the portal! i would like to know if i am the only person feeling these effects. Thank you.

Poxpower, do you even understand the point of the whole voting system?? It's not here just for people to get their blam/protection points. It's here so people can contribute to getting rid of crap and 'recommend' good movies for others (who don't hang out at NG all day) to watch.
In the end, no matter what internet connection you have, no one should have the right to vote without viewing. Period.

Come on, having more voting power is fun, and you should know, you have plenty. I was just saying that because it really must suck for a person with a slow connection to wait 20 mins to wait for a movie to load, then watch it and realize it sucks, by which time the said person will vote 0, but much too late to get a point. Now, that has to be frustrating! Blam/ Protection points, I agree, should not be the focus of the voting system, but they are plain fun, and they got rid of 4000 old crap flashes and allowed every new movie to be get more views and votes.

Nope. When I suggested this a while ago, it was pointed out by Wade (I think) that people will intentionally hold onto their one vote until a movie reaches 50, look at the score and get a point.

I know, but that was before the blam/protection points, there was only a blam point for the person who sent the movie to the grave, which led to the holding back of votes. If the score re-appeared when the movie was nearly dead, it would only be blammed right away. But it's not that important.

If you are a flash authour, can you see the scores of your new movies?

I like to know if i am going to be blammed or not.

and now an EYE CATCHING PICTURE TO CATCH YOUR EYE!

OMG! now maybe they will watch before they vote?!

At 12/3/02 06:50 PM, poxpower wrote: Come on, having more voting power is fun, and you should know, you have plenty. I was just saying that because it really must suck for a person with a slow connection to wait 20 mins to wait for a movie to load, then watch it and realize it sucks, by which time the said person will vote 0, but much too late to get a point. Now, that has to be frustrating! Blam/ Protection points, I agree, should not be the focus of the voting system, but they are plain fun, and they got rid of 4000 old crap flashes and allowed every new movie to be get more views and votes.

Yeah, it is more fun, but still...
You don't have to wait for a movie to fully load to play (not all of them anyway), so you can watch half and decide and vote, then watch the rest. It's very unlikely for the first half of a movie to be worth a 0 and the last half worth a 5 (and vice versa), so this works really well.
Plus, you can easily tell whether it's music hogging up a few megabytes of the file size just by looking at the graphics. (that way you don't have wait for the download to finish to know if it sucks)

Nope. When I suggested this a while ago, it was pointed out by Wade (I think) that people will intentionally hold onto their one vote until a movie reaches 50, look at the score and get a point.

I know, but that was before the blam/protection points, there was only a blam point for the person who sent the movie to the grave, which led to the holding back of votes.

No, I meant after new system. A movie can still be blammed at 75 or 100 votes. If score was revealed at 50, then people would hold out (not knowing for sure whether it will be blammed or protected). They're wait till 50, then you can see the score, and vote it up or down, depending on which way is 'easier' to score a point.

If the score re-appeared when the movie was nearly dead, it would only be blammed right away. But it's not that important.

If it's nearly dead anyway, and the movie truely did suck, then it wouldn't matter whether the score is revealed, would it? :-)

This new method stops blam happy loser who dont even watch a movie before they cast judgement. Good call Tom

I'm sorry, but this New System is Crap. I absolutely hate it.

Its cool but not being able to see reviews suck!

i like it, good job

The only problem I now notice is that without being able to see reviews, we don't get any warning of stolen movies.

At 12/3/02 07:27 PM, NemesisM66 wrote: I'm sorry, but this New System is Crap. I absolutely hate it.

Well no der you hate it. I mean look at your damn siggy. All you do is Blam stuff for the points..But Now, *Gasp*..You Have To Watch The Movie! Oh no...

At 12/3/02 08:15 PM, Fizzo wrote:

At 12/3/02 07:27 PM, NemesisM66 wrote: I'm sorry, but this New System is Crap. I absolutely hate it.

Well no der you hate it. I mean look at your damn siggy. All you do is Blam stuff for the points..But Now, *Gasp*..You Have To Watch The Movie! Oh no...

And Look..Not even 1 Movie. Well, since you don't have a movie, let me be the first to tell you that you don't know how annoying it is when you have good shit, and People Blam it without watching, like I'm sure you do. This system protects actually writers from dumbasses like you who blam everything without watching

At 12/3/02 02:31 PM, WadeFulp wrote: People who don't like having the vote score hidden = people who don't like to watch movies and vote 0 or 5 depending on the score of a movie without watching it = the reason we decided to hide the vote score.

That's not necessarily true. While I could care less about the score while the film is still new (I've voted high on a lot of movies ppl were unfairly trying to blam) .. I DO care about seeing the reviews for the new movies. Why? .. I'll probably still watch anyway, but after seeing just one or two new movies with reviews SCREAMING to others about VIRUS alerts.. I'm now too paranoid to watch new movies. So forget it. I'll never vote on another movie where I can't see the reviews.. nor will I watch the new stuff. Too much risk.. sorry.

Hide the votes, ppl who don't follow the crowd won't care.. and it will do what it's supposed to for everyone else. But bring back the reviews dammit. If for no other reason than to let users know when absolutely NOT to watch a movie at all.

Great idea, this new update. There are plenty of people who just shamelessly pimp for influence, and care more about earning BLAM or PROTECTION points than voting fairly. If you don't think so, just ask yourself, "Would I vote high on a movie that I liked, but that was sure to be blammed, possibly losing a BLAM point?" I get the feeling that a lot of people would vote against their preference just to see their levels rise.

HHHIII

bullshit u have to be 18

Mmmm .... portal.

Thanks for hiding the reviews from us until they reach 100 votes by the way. If someone wanted to make a submission with a virus in it, one of those actionscript hacks like "electronsubzereo" did with the autovoter, or a flash movie with a hidden link that spams your screen with pop ups then since I can't read the reviews to see if someone left a warning I'm pretty screwed if I decide to click on the wrong movie hmm?

There are so many people who think that there are a lot of good movies who get blammed since this new system is up, and they ask questions like "Would you vote 0 on heroes of cybertron just to get a blam points??" The thruth is that movies who deserve to live are protected and those who deserve to die are blammed. And nothing will ever change that, watever you do. Sometimes, movies who deserves around 1.00-2.00 get a bit more random scores, they might be blammed or they might not be, but if they are, the author resubmits and if they aren't, they end up turd of the week.

Some others users have pointed out that without the reviews, we can't see if a movie is stolen or contains a virus, and this is indeed quite troubling. Maybe you could make the reviews appear after the work "Virus" or "Stolen" appears in three diffirent reviews.