Smoking

[Bob69187]

What the hell is the deal with segregating smokers like they are infected with the plague or something?

[MarijuanaClock]

Lung Cancer?

Smoking does cause a serious threat to the people around you. I don't smoke tobaco, but whenever I smoke mj I ask the people around me if it's ok with them.

[Spike-J-Wolfwood]

Reminds me of the Jim Crow separate but equal laws. Listen all you non smokers I should be able to at least smoke in a bar. I’m drinking fucking poison ferchristsakes! If your body was such a temple then you wouldn’t be there in the first place. I blame all this on the overly inflated “statistics” thrown at us by these anti-smoking groups. Anyone with enough money can fund their own private study involving slanted control groups to get any data that most suits their needs. First off second hand smoke isn’t as bad as everyone thinks. It’s annoying as most unless you have chronic lung problems. I mean, no responsible physician would support the claim that more than 50,000 Americans die of second hand smoke each year. If you look at factual numbers that means that Second hand smoke is deadlier than actually smoking. And if you believe that then congratulations, you’re a moron. Secondly, there is no need for smoking sections in large outdoor areas. There is no reason that twenty people should be forced to huddle in a space 10 square feet wide while surrounded by 2 miles of open space. You know, the Nazis had anti smoking laws too. Look it up.

[MarijuanaClock]

Well not in the bars, but in a resturant or any other public place. Also When you drink you don't damage the liver of the guy sitting next to you, just yourself.

[MonkeyMan-Inc]

Make tobacco illegal then make mj leagal!

[MarijuanaClock]

At 12/2/02 11:55 PM, MonkeyMan_Inc wrote: Make tobacco illegal then make mj leagal!

sounds good =)

[Spike-J-Wolfwood]

At 12/2/02 11:47 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Well not in the bars, but in a resturant or any other public place. Also When you drink you don't damage the liver of the guy sitting next to you, just yourself.

The point is that if he is in the bar as well then he is likewise doing damage to his body, and how come no one is this concerned about the possible VD you could possibly pick up off someone in a bar. Not to mention the fact that if I’m drinking I might do damage to places other than his liver if he gives me grief about my smoking. What I’m trying to say is that there are bigger things to worry about.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 12/2/02 11:58 PM, Spike_J_Wolfwood wrote: The point is that if he is in the bar as well then he is likewise doing damage to his body, and how come no one is this concerned about the possible VD you could possibly pick up off someone in a bar. Not to mention the fact that if I’m drinking I might do damage to places other than his liver if he gives me grief about my smoking. What I’m trying to say is that there are bigger things to worry about.

Buddy if your like that when you drink, put the fucking glass down.

It's called self control, and get this, I like to utilize it.

haha

[Spike-J-Wolfwood]

Buddy if your like that when you drink, put the fucking glass down.

It's called self control, and get this, I like to utilize it.

haha

I was being facetious, some people however are not as easy going.

[Pweeb]

Tell me how it feels when you're lying in the hospital in agonizing unbearable pain, with a hole in your chest. I guess you'd need a smoke then eh?

[the-fiend]

At 12/2/02 11:55 PM, MonkeyMan_Inc wrote: Make tobacco illegal then make mj leagal!

uhh, Mj has worse affects then cigs... and the point about not smoking in pubilc areas is not hurting others theyll let you self inflick pain and death on yourself but no others, and some people hate smoke but love to drink how ironic.

[House-Of-Leaves]

Short and sweet:

What a person eats/drinks/wears/looks like...does not put the people around him in danger.

Smoking, ANY kind of smoke, can be harmful to those around you. Cigarette smoke, marijuana, cigar, clove, sage...anything. Especially if that person happens to have allergies or be extremely athsmatic.

To the person who said 'I'm drinking poison, for christ's sake!' (I'm paraphrasing, of course), good for you. But does the alcohol you put in your body cause secondary intoxication in the person sitting next to you? No. But secondary smoke is a carcinogen. It causes CANCER. It's deadly.

Think about more than just yourself, and you'll be happier. Besides, if you're not healthy enough to get off your happy ass and go outside for a smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking anyway.

(Yes, I used to smoke. My opinions then were the same as they are now. I always smoked outside, even in a smoking establishment. Why? Losing someone to lung cancer CAUSED by second hand smoke does something to you. Think, before you act.)

[MarijuanaClock]

At 12/3/02 11:32 PM, the_fiend wrote:

At 12/2/02 11:55 PM, MonkeyMan_Inc wrote: Make tobacco illegal then make mj leagal!

uhh, Mj has worse affects then cigs...

No it doesn't, unless you smoke 4 joints a day every day, 365 days a year. Then it's just as damaging. If you smoke more then that ....... well who the fuck smokes more then that?

[Spike-J-Wolfwood]

At 12/4/02 03:05 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Short and sweet:

Smoking, ANY kind of smoke, can be harmful to those around you. Cigarette smoke, marijuana, cigar, clove, sage...anything. Especially if that person happens to have allergies or be extremely athsmatic.

To the person who said 'I'm drinking poison, for christ's sake!' (I'm paraphrasing, of course), good for you. But does the alcohol you put in your body cause secondary intoxication in the person sitting next to you? No. But secondary smoke is a carcinogen. It causes CANCER. It's deadly.

Think about more than just yourself, and you'll be happier. Besides, if you're not healthy enough to get off your happy ass and go outside for a smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking anyway.

(Yes, I used to smoke. My opinions then were the same as they are now. I always smoked outside, even in a smoking establishment. Why? Losing someone to lung cancer CAUSED by second hand smoke does something to you. Think, before you act.)

I don’t disagree with the point that second hand smoke can be harmful. I just don’t like the flawed logic that leads people to believe that my smoking a cigaret is doing the damage of a pack of non-filters to a person who happens to be in the same room. Now, there are obvious places where smoking is not appropriate. I’ll grant you that. Government buildings, most restaurants (unless there is a separate, room with a ventilation system as some placed have), hospitals, most places of work, and where children congregate. I just say that the bars and other adult places should have the right to chose between a smoking and non-smoking environment. For starters, patronizing a bar means that you are taking a health risk to begin with and that you are an adult who has the capacity to make your own decisions. If you don’t like smoke don’t be there. I don’t smoke in the homes or cars of the people I know and love because in that case I may be around them enough to do damage. On the other hand, I don’t give a shit about some guy who I don’t know who is only going to be siting next to me for a few minutes. Secondly, these are private businesses and the owner should have the right to do anything allowable by federal law. Also, everyone is failing to realize that the majority of people don’t have a problem with braving a little smoke. If there was a market for it there would be millions of specialty non-smoking bars. I’ve been all around America, the UK and Europe (I realize the last two are basically the same thing to everyone but the UK but some of them don’t like to think so) and I have yet to see a single one. Except for the states where these uptight liberals found the need to restrict personal freedom for personal comfort. Ironic? Just a tad.

[House-Of-Leaves]

I didn't want to quote the above post, simply because it would take so much space. :)

Why do I think it's inappropriate anywhere? Well, in some places, it's not. Take a cigar bar, for example. There's plenty of those here, and it's obvious that smoking should be allowed there. Places like that.

But as for Joe Schmoe sitting next to me while I'm smoking? I don't care if I know him or not...SOMEONE does. And while the smoke from my one or two or even ten cigarettes might not make much of a difference, I still have enough respect for human life to want to protect it. It doesn't matter if I know that person or not.

The bottom line: Smoking is unhealthy, much more unhealthy than a lot of other toxins. Some use alcohol as an example; it's proven that a small amount of alcohol a day helps your heart. Some use marijuana as an example; it's proven helpful in many medical situations and I'm proud to live in a state that allows the use of marijuana for medical purposes. There's many other things that are illegal to use recreationally, but are used for medical purposes: opiates is a big one.

Am I arguing that cigarettes be illegal? NO. I don't think taking MORE freedoms away will help at all. But I do think that asking smokers to partake ouside is fair. Second hand smoke is dangerous, no matter what.

And it really shouldn't matter if you know and love that person or not. It's still a human life.