America: Most Cowardly Nation?

[Th-e]

This is not about Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but about a problem occuring right in our own country: the WTC plans.

Do you know what the Freedom Tower is? It's a building that is 1776 feet tall (with the spire included; without it is the height of the old Twin Towers) and about 82 floors. However, it has a big problem at the bottom: a 200--foot fortified base The base is windowless and made of a thick wall of concrete. Steel panels cover the concrete, but they fail to cover the fact that a 20- story BUNKER is being built in the middle of Lower Manhattan. America is the HOME OF THE BRAVE, not a center of fear and bunkers!

If you are Americans, it is URGENT that we make sure that this monstrosity is never built, at least not with that BUNKER. Otherwise, we will be living in a nation of cowardice.

If you are not American, then you can laugh at us once the building is complete (2010), if it is ever built.

[Desert-Drifter]

that's just how ppl are as a group. alone we are brave but in a group we panic. i think sum 1 famous said something like it.

[Samuel-HALL]

Yea, yea.

It's quite obvious you're against the Freedom Tower, for other personal (and probably partisan) reasons. You're trying to convince people that anyone who supports the freedom tower is a coward.

And it won't work.

[Desert-Drifter]

that isn't what he's saying exactly. he never said he's against the fredom tower or that if you are for it that you are a coward. all he said is that if we are so brave why do we need 20-story bunkers? although i would just call it a basement, i understand what he's talking about.

[Memorize]

What's wrong with the Freedom Tower?
What's wrong with building a place to where you can protect yourself if something as horrible ever happens again like 9/11?

[asdfrasdfg]

I have to agree with you in most ways. We're basically telling the terrorists, "Hey, you guys scared the shit out of us, and now we are going to only make buildings completely ANYTHING proof, because of you guys." Looks to me like the terrorists got something they wanted, to strike fear in to the hearts of americans. And building some bullshit like that is only helping to prove it so.

We need to move on, to show that we are not afraid of a bunch of fucking douchebags. It's doing nothing but showing that they managed to scare us, and it's just pointless.

They can still run a plane in to the top part, too.

[MoralLibertarian]

To be honest, I like the whole idea of building the tower larger and stronger. I don't think the safety precautions are cowardly, although I do want an asthetically pleasing design.

[Imperator]

1st time American soil fell under attack since Pearl Harbor. Pear Harbor, 20,000 men killed, came back and kicked the shit out of Japan AND Germany.

9/11, 3000 killed, invaded Afghanistan, then Iraq.
Another reason to stay in school and learn some history....

Japan tried a sneak attack, didn't work.

Terrorists try a sneak attack, ain't gonna work.

Unfortunately, with a much more delicate world, our government doesn't seem to have the support of a unified nation, whereas World War II America turned into a giant war machine.

Have times changed, or will history repeat itself?

[random8982]

At 11/10/05 10:12 PM, Sir_Snark wrote: I have to agree with you in most ways. We're basically telling the terrorists, "Hey, you guys scared the shit out of us, and now we are going to only make buildings completely ANYTHING proof, because of you guys."

Why don't you all stop looking at it as cowardice and look at it as a message to them. There's a 20 story bunker to reinforce the building. Don't you think that it shouts out, "YOU CAN"T BRING ME DOWN," much louder than "You scared the shit out of us."?
Have a little pride in your nation for christ's sake.

[Demosthenez]

1-2000 died at Pearl Harbor Im pretty sure.
2- Why is it cowardly to make a building as strong as it can be? Seems like a smart and sound investment if you ask me.

Link please?

[hypern]

I am british and I support aremica, you should show courage in your country, ot acting like a coward unless o couse bush goes mad, lol

[Th-e]

I want to support my nation. However, such a bunker is ridiculous since there are better ways to keep things secure. Since hotels in Jordan got hit by bombs, I guess that means they will have to be turned into bunkers as well, right? Should the Empire State Building be bunkered? Maybe my college should be bunkered and windowless. This isn't creating a sense of security...it creates a sense that we are afraid and that terrorists can force us to live in bunkers just like they do. That is their objective: to send people cringing in fear by killing masses of people and causing massive destruction. Bunker the base, and terrorists win. In fact, it encourages terrorists to strike again and force us to build bunkers in other locations.

How would you like to go to work in a building where every time you enter, you feel like you are entering a maximum security prison?

If Freedom Tower has to have a bunker, then why aren't the White House and Capitol surrounded by concrete?

Giant bunkers = our fear of terrorists! That's what they want!

[Redbob86]

At 11/10/05 10:05 PM, Desert-Drifter wrote: that's just how ppl are as a group. alone we are brave but in a group we panic. i think sum 1 famous said something like it.

Yeah, it was a pussy who bullshited people saying "Oh I AM brave, just not when you guys are looking."

I think it it has to do with groups influencing emotions and amplifying them, and this goes for all emotions. The thing is, it seems to take a lot to actually get a large group under a certain emotion, but once you do it amplifies itself and increases on it's own. People are less likely to be scared of something surrounded by lots of people, but if it was scary enough to get the crowd nervous, the fear of the crowd could amplify on everyone in it until a panic ensures. Same thing with anger, people in large groups might not get too angry with something that pisses them off, they'll most likely just complain about it to eachother, but if you got them pissed enough, it could escalate into a full-scale riot.

Just something I've thought about.

[Imperator]

At 11/10/05 11:10 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: 1-2000 died at Pearl Harbor Im pretty sure.
2- Why is it cowardly to make a building as strong as it can be? Seems like a smart and sound investment if you ask me.

Link please?

Whops, typo.

Pearl harbor casualties, 2,000.
9/11: 3,000.

roughly of course...

[punisher19848]

There is nothing cowardly about being prepared! If your home was attacked once and you had reason to believe that it might be struck again, you'd make a few fortifications as well! The cowardly thing to do is not rebuild at all.

[poxpower]

On a side note, I love how any reaction the U.S.A. takes is interpreted BOTH as cowardice AND bravery by different sides haha.

"Attacking? WE ARE SUCH COWARDS, JUST SHOWING THEM WE'RE TOO AFRAID OF THEM TO STAY HERE AND TAKE IT!"
"Attacking? We sure are brave! We'll show them they can't mess with us!"

"building a giant bunker? Cowardice I saw! We should build a giant tower made of straw and mud and keep all our babies and money at the top of it!"
"building a bunker? Now that's brave! We should build bunkers everywhere! That'll show em that when you attack america, we don't lose our heads and start insane projects like NOT building bunkers everywhere!"

"Talking about terrorism on the news? NO, COWARDICE I SAY! We're just letting them know that it worked! That we're afraid now! Unlike every time anything happens at all here!"
"Talking about terrorism on the news?GOOD! That' what the country needs! We need to inspire each other with a common hatred for something! Lets turn our fear into hatr... COURAGE!"

[lili462]

I've never heard of the freedom tower. And if they build it i really dont care. I dont see how its going to prevent a terrorist attack. Only the first 20 floors are protected, Or bunkered. what about the other 60. In all honesty i dont think buildings this big should have ever been put into existance.

[LegendaryLukus]

Well it's not called cowardice, it is called common sense. Imagine if they built this tower without the fortifications and it was attacked like on 9/11. "Oh we didn't want to take precautions and save lots of lives because then we would be cowards!"

You see how silly that sounds. Just give the 'bunker' a lick of paint if it offends you that much.

[Papa-Smuff]

I cant find any thing saying that they are going to make the first 200 feet a window less bunker. All I keep on seeing is people saying that the "first 200 feet will be the same", I'm asumming they mean the same as thw original WTC buildings, which I would naturally think had windows.

The whole freedom tower thing looks real cool. Seems real shiny though. Probably going to be hot in there.

[RedSkunk]

*shrug*

You're crazy. I'm wondering - do you have any reason to call this a "bunker"? Or are you just running on this assumption, by looking at part of the design? Because realistically, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to make a "bunker" out of the first twenty stories. Because there are many more on top of it. And there are a lot of other buildings to blow up in NY and across the country. Which aren't bunkers.

But I'll refrain from anything more until you provide some sort of source as to the "bunker-ness" of the design.

The title makes no sense.

The name of this new tower is fucking asinine.

edn.

[IllustriousPotentate]

"Terrorists" aren't out to terrorize us; they're out to kill us.
You don't see radical clerics yelling "Scare the shit out of America!", it's "Death to America."

Putting counter-terrorism measures in buildings, etc. isn't cowardly, it's just prudent protection. It's okay to stand strong and defiant, but it's stupid to blatantly ignore the threat terrorism poses--because terrorism is a possibility now. People out in Kansas aren't cowards for building storm shelters, they do that to protect themselves in the posibility of a tornado occuring.

Besides, if anything, this is actually a victory for the United States in this regard. By showing the world this reinforcement, we've shown the terrorists that the United States is more forified and more prepared, so they're not going to be able to just strike us out of the blue as they did four years ago.

[D3mon]

Ok i'm sry if defending our biggest city and one of the world's most important building's is being cowardlike then you are a moron my friend... THE WTC WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE WORLD'S ECONOMY, and there are about 8 million in NYC which is a great american city. If something were to happen there would not be a quick reaction to the city because military probably wouldn't be able to get in it considering it is the busiest... I think this is a great idea and if you don't then you don't deserve to have an opinion on anything that your country does, you and your post extremely disgust me. Please don't take that personally but you just made me really angry.

[Demosthenez]

At 11/11/05 12:36 AM, The_Obsession wrote: If Freedom Tower has to have a bunker, then why aren't the White House and Capitol surrounded by concrete?

...

They are fignuts. Hell, you cant even drive on the street. Id say that place is locked down pretty well.

[FeargusMcDuff]

Yeah america is so afaid of terrosts, but the fact is : They dont realy exist. George Bush and Tony Blair (Im british). And im sure alot more of the world leaders all claim they are defending us from terrorists. A huge amount of money was pent on invading afganistan, cos' they said that Osama Bin Ladin apperantly had a huge military complex and country wide army. So america and Britain invavded. What did they find?

Nothing.

So world leaders make up storys and spend ridulaus amounts of tax money on defending there people from nothing. Its the power of nightmares ;)

[Redbob86]

I hate Bush and Blair, but I'm getting a little tired hearing about how they are "tricking us". Because apparantly they aren't tricking anybody, since this all seems to be well within the grasp of so many 13-year-olds. So apparantly, we aren't really being tricked because I have yet to see anybody actually "fooled".

[Memorize]

At 11/12/05 01:38 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: Yeah america is so afaid of terrosts, but the fact is : They dont realy exist.

Terrorists dont exist...WHA?

[BenDoesntFold]

HMM WELL. thousands of people died in 9/11 so why the hell not make a bunker. oh and next time have some evidence of this so called "manhattan bunker".

[FeargusMcDuff]

At 11/12/05 01:58 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 11/12/05 01:38 PM, FeargusMcDuff wrote: Yeah america is so afaid of terrosts, but the fact is : They dont realy exist.

Terrorists dont exist...WHA?

Errr what i mean is that they are exagerated 500% by the media and polatians. Yes thousands have died in terrosts attacks but its not like its gona happen again for a while. You hear about every slightly terrosrist acctivty but do you hear about Bagdad (how do you spell that?) being carpet bombed, killing tens of thousands of innocents dispite there being no evidence at all. But the news claims it was a victory, WTF?

[Der-Ubermensch]

Haha...

You'd all make a sounder investment in polishing off your foreign policies.

[RedScorpion]

At 11/13/05 10:05 AM, -Ubermensch- wrote: You'd all make a sounder investment in polishing off your foreign policies.

Agreed.

As I like to say:
'Release the Bullshit!'