Political correctness

[lob-azrael]

Is anyone else feeling totally pissed at over-righteous councils deciding that muslims dont like christmas? its the festive season and its not a christmas celebration but "winter" I'm not religous but I respect religous people and they are being spat on by the government. Anyone share my sentiment?

[7iron]

well some links or articles or reference to specific case would be nice, but in general the world works on the secular calendar with a side of important christian dates. Some people want to change that some people are so use to it they don't want it changed. I do agree that it is slightly unfair to people that for instance many times schools are out for easter weekend and there is no break for other religions holidays. Schools and most government jobs, are given vactation time if the excuse is a religious reason. All in all as a Jew i want my special interest heard so i disagree with your point of view, but i understand that this is how America works and that i am a minority and a special interest group.

[Ted-Easton]

I'm of the opinion that any holiday, provided it celebrates values that are positive and for the betterment of society, should be celebrated. Christmas is referred to as the season of kindness/giving/sharing/love/charity, each values we should embrace.
If there are any other religions that wish to hold their holidays of positive ideals, I would be more than willing to respect the occasion.

Besides, most people celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday.

[Me-Patch]

I just don't get why these activist groups are so anti-christian. Just because something is a majority doesn't mean it should be hated. The same people preach tolerance between every breath and say that we need to respect other cultures like Islam, but then try to kill christmass. I'm fine with equality and tolerance but when you advocate one religions holy day you shouldn't disrespect someone elses. And that goes for everyone.

[morefngdbs]

Although I am not religious in any way.
Don't muslims have a time of celebration?
Do we Persecute them for it?
I mean no matter who or what religious people you are invoved or not involved with ,
doesn't everyone enjoy getting together with family and friends, for visiting and meals etc.
The joy from giving of unique, unusual & joke presents.
Although I have not been to any of the "church" functions that my mom and a few other family members go to .
We all, have a truce .
Where-in you do what you want ( go to church)& I'll do what I want ( go to the bar) and we'll meet in a couple of hours.
No animosity ,no expressing of opposing views.
No condemnation.
Just enjoying the
REAL Xmas spirit , in my opinion.

[Memorize]

To put it simply; those type of mulim people can fuck off.

[seventy-one]

Link please? I would feel like muslims would celebrate christmas as they see Jesus (pbuh) as a prophet sent by God, maybe not religiously like Christians but still celebrate the holiday.

[jlwelch]

I think it is safe to say that no one here is 100% happy with politics at any given time, so I think we should just do away with the oxymoron polictically correct.

[Imperator]

Let's add to the Christmas debate.

Read up on Mithras, forerunner of Christianity.....

http://www.ecst.csuc..omepage.html#Mithras

Merry Christmas, I mean Mithras!

"The Cult of Isis and the Cult of Dionysus both involved death and resurrection which parallels Christianity's belief of the death of Jesus and his resurrection. The worshippers of both cults tended to believe in immortality, which is different than Christianity. Christians believe they will be resurrected from the dead at the time of the Second Coming of Christ. The correlation between the Cult of Mithras and Christianity are the similar celebrations of the birthdays of Mithras and Jesus; and the cakes eaten at cult meal can be related to the Christians communion where the cake or cracker represents Jesus' body. Another relationship is the struggle over good and evil. This is what Christians strive for on a daily basis."

Adds a whole lot of fuel to the fire I'd say.....

[punisher19848]

I concer: I hate how we go through events but refuse to acknowledge the significance of them just because some one might be offended. The whole Christmas thing is a good example (just for the record: I'm not christian nor do I believe in ANY religion): we celebrater ever Dec. 25 but refuse to acknowledge that we celebrate the birth of christ (I hate religion, but I've come to terms with this and so should everyone else DAMMIT!).

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 11/11/05 10:01 AM, punisher19848 wrote: I concer: I hate how we go through events but refuse to acknowledge the significance of them just because some one might be offended. The whole Christmas thing is a good example (just for the record: I'm not christian nor do I believe in ANY religion): we celebrater ever Dec. 25 but refuse to acknowledge that we celebrate the birth of christ (I hate religion, but I've come to terms with this and so should everyone else DAMMIT!).

Actually, Dec. 25 is not the birthdate of Christ, which is unknown, but a date adopted just to celebrate it.

I have no problem with government using the term "winter holidays" or whatever in place of any religious holiday therein. Nor do I have any problem with government workers using the term. I actually don't have any problem with the statement "happy holidays" or the term "winter holidays" in general to be honest.

[RedSkunk]

I'm more tired of people who - incorrectly or not - rail against "Political Correctness", than people who are actually over-sensitive on such issues. I mean, at least one group has good intentions. The other is just needless bitching.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 11/11/05 04:40 PM, red_skunk wrote: I'm more tired of people who - incorrectly or not - rail against "Political Correctness", than people who are actually over-sensitive on such issues. I mean, at least one group has good intentions. The other is just needless bitching.

This reminds me of a very poignant memory. Last year, a customer was about to leave, she wished me a Merry Christmas, then she rolled her eyes, and said, "sorry, I mean Happy Holidays" in a much less enthusastic tone than before It was like the imaginary Great Gazoo on her shoulder stuck his PC pitchfork in her, much to her chagrin. I mean, she obviously didn't like the concept of "Political Correctness", yet, for some reason, she forced herself to be politically correct, even though neither me nor her had any problem with "Merry Christmas".

I wonder, is most of this PC whining from people that can't stand the notion of being politically correct, but subconciously force themselves into thinking they have to, then attack the political correctness itself, rather than that subconcious force?

[Hunter-X]

I am really pissed off at people who complain and whine about TV and radio programming (and whats on the Internet too) being to dirty; people who by the way, only make up a minority of people.

I have a message for them: if you don't like what's on TV or the radio, CHANGE THE CHANNEL OR TUNE OUT! Its called "freedom of choice", and our founders didn't call it that for nothing.

Finally, to be even more politically incorrect, the FCC should go fuck themselves for all I care.

[Samuel-HALL]

At 11/11/05 04:40 PM, red_skunk wrote: I'm more tired of people who - incorrectly or not - rail against "Political Correctness", than people who are actually over-sensitive on such issues.

Oh, that doesn't surprise me.
Folks got tired of hearing people bitch about past (and now defunct) silly social ideals, as well, no doubt.
Yet you, who advocates marches and rallies and protests and other various complaint-fests, should see the need in 'railing' against something that's unneccessary.

At 11/11/05 04:54 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: I wonder, is most of this PC whining from people that can't stand the notion of being politically correct, but subconciously force themselves into thinking they have to, then attack the political correctness itself, rather than that subconcious force?

I know it's not that way, for myself.

I make it a conscious effort to not be politically correct.
I say 'black', instead of African-American (because for many blacks, 'african-american' is an incorrect and insulting term).
I say 'white' instead of Caucasian. I consider the terms 'gay' and 'homosexual' interchangable.
I say 'illegal aliens' instead of 'poor and opressed undcoumented citizen'.

Political correctness is just a game of semantics.
And I fucking hate the semantics game.

[punisher19848]

At 11/11/05 04:20 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:
Actually, Dec. 25 is not the birthdate of Christ, which is unknown, but a date adopted just to celebrate it.

So? Does it have to be the actual day? This is the day it's been celebrated on for about 1700 years now, so it has become his unofficial birthday.

I have no problem with government using the term "winter holidays" or whatever in place of any religious holiday therein. Nor do I have any problem with government workers using the term. I actually don't have any problem with the statement "happy holidays" or the term "winter holidays" in general to be honest.

I do because they are dishonest about the actual reason for the celebration. If we are going to celebrate the birth of christ (in whom I don't believe in), then at least we should just be honest about it.

[RedSkunk]

At 11/11/05 09:31 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Oh, that doesn't surprise me.

Duly noted.

[Hunter-X]

At 11/11/05 09:31 PM, _FLAGG wrote:

I make it a conscious effort to not be politically correct.
I say 'black', instead of African-American (because for many blacks, 'african-american' is an incorrect and insulting term).
I say 'white' instead of Caucasian. I consider the terms 'gay' and 'homosexual' interchangable.
I say 'illegal aliens' instead of 'poor and opressed undcoumented citizen'.

Political correctness is just a game of semantics.
And I fucking hate the semantics game.

I agree with on that. I use the word "black" instead of African American because not all blacks are African American. The English language is being bombarded by euphemisms. Here are some examples of simpler words vs their euphemisms (some courtesy of George Carlin)...

-"Cockpit" vs "flight deck".
-"Cop" vs "police officer" or "policeman/policewoman"
-"Old people" vs. "senior citizens".
-"Jungle" vs "rain forest".
-"Slums" vs "substandard housing".
-"Broke" vs "having negative cash flow".
-"Blind" vs "visually impaired".
-"Crippled" vs "disabled" or "physically challenged".
-"Retarded" (as opposed to "stupid") vs "special" or "mentally challenged".

And speaking of stupid...
-"Stupid" vs "having learning disabilities" or "being minimally exceptional",

Finally...
-"Die" vs "pass away" or "expire" or "a terminal episode".

[fli]

Who cares...

There's like a million religious celbrations during Christmas time.
Let's celebrate them all and shut the fuck up.

Happy Holidays, Everyone.

[smith916]

At 11/10/05 02:45 PM, 7iron wrote: well some links or articles or reference to specific case would be nice, but in general the world works on the secular calendar with a side of important christian dates. Some people want to change that some people are so use to it they don't want it changed. I do agree that it is slightly unfair to people that for instance many times schools are out for easter weekend and there is no break for other religions holidays. Schools and most government jobs, are given vactation time if the excuse is a religious reason. All in all as a Jew i want my special interest heard so i disagree with your point of view, but i understand that this is how America works and that i am a minority and a special interest group.

Schools could take each holiday and make that a day off, but that streches out across a very long period of time, it's too long. there HAD to have been a specific week chosen for it, or none at all. Somtimes hannuka can intersect with the begining of the holiday weekend if i'm not mistaken.

[RedSkunk]

At 11/12/05 08:18 PM, fli wrote: Happy Holidays, Everyone.

buh buh buh... x-mas is still a month away...

[TheBlueBullet]

Why do you say x-mas instead of christmas? Is x-mas political correction?

[RedSkunk]

At 11/13/05 08:57 AM, AxCide wrote: Why do you say x-mas instead of christmas? Is x-mas political correction?

I was smoking and typing with one hand. But if you want to start pissing and moaning about me trying to be PC, go right ahead.

[Shadic-1]

well religous people try to convert everyone to their religion, and anyone who tries to convert them are justified as evil.

[TheBlueBullet]

At 11/13/05 10:39 AM, red_skunk wrote:

At 11/13/05 08:57 AM, AxCide wrote: Why do you say x-mas instead of christmas? Is x-mas political correction?

I was smoking and typing with one hand. But if you want to start pissing and moaning about me trying to be PC, go right ahead.

Hey I was just asking. I wasn't going to start pissing and moaning. Have you mastered the art of smoking without touching the cigarette yet? :)

[smith916]

X-mas is just a nickname. Santa took the Christ out of Christmas when he pwnt jesus in a boxing match. If you notice, santa can also be spelled as satan if you switch a few letters.

[fli]

"X" means "Christos" (or Christ) in Greek...
Hence 'X-mas'.

[smith916]

At 11/13/05 09:06 PM, fli wrote: "X" means "Christos" (or Christ) in Greek...
Hence 'X-mas'.

I prefer my theory on

Santa = satan

Both santa and satan emurge from spawns of fire
Both of them live in Decalite brutal weather areas
Both of them have minions
Both of them have claws

I donno... I mean... clinton was for political correctness, and everyone loves clinton right?

[fli]

What are you saying Smith?
That X-mas is a recent thing for political correct reasons?

"X-mas" has been around-- for a VERY long time.

If I remember,
even in Old English-- Christ's name used to be spelled as "Xristos". (meaning, 'annointed'.)

If you don't want to take my word for it... here's this.

I can look it up in the Oxford English Dictionary too-- if only I can find out the reason why I can't access my account.

[RedSkunk]

At 11/13/05 05:32 PM, AxCide wrote: Hey I was just asking. I wasn't going to start pissing and moaning. Have you mastered the art of smoking without touching the cigarette yet? :)

Yeah, sry. Re-reading your post, you weren't starting to piss and moan. Cigarettes? Fuck no, man. Those things will kill you.

At 11/13/05 09:06 PM, fli wrote: "X" means "Christos" (or Christ) in Greek...
Hence 'X-mas'.

Wow. Welp, I've learned my one new thing for the day. Guess I don't need to go to class afterall. Thank god.