This is for all college students and students who are about to go to college.
Recently with the terrible hurricane Katrina incident President Bush and his party have gave a large sum of money for rebuilding efforts down in Louisiana. I would tell you how much, but I really don't know. I just know that it is a LOT.
You all might say "HOORAY! Good job they need to fix that area up."
Do you ever stop and ask where that money comes from?
To pay for all the money spent and to get some of it back Bush has cut fundings on such programs such as student loans and grants and food stamps.
I won't go into the whole problem with food stamps, but that is a BIG problem.
Instead of cutting taxes and funding to the big oil companies who get the money from your pockets when you pay at the pumps he decided to cut something that helps benifit your education.
In short President Bush has just made it even harder for people to get into college. With the current cut now such programs as FASFA and student loans cannot send out as much money as they did before and now have a limited amount of students they can put on those programs and funding. The federal government has made it to where you cannot rely on them if you want to get into college.
It now pretty much rely's on you to go to privet organizations and privet fundings to get the money for college. The problem is that those fundings gets many appllicants and some of them are just to hard to get in the first place.
Also what if your grades aren't perfect? People who have great grades and did well on the ACT or SAT will have nothing to worry about and the college would probably like to give you a full ride, but we all know not everyone is perfect and not everyone is going to get a full ride.
So I propose the "George Bush is a Big Fat Doody Head" march. It's nothing radical, but anyone who thinks this sucks should write to their congressmen and write with big words and tell them exactly what you think about this. Write a lot and tell them how much you think this sucks. You should because you general education depends on those kind of fundings.
The government should find better things to cut rather than important things such as that.
Big Oil made a mint after Hurricane Katrina by using it as an excuse to raise prices. The government is going to tax alot of this money and use it for funding in public schools. I heard this today on my local news radio station KYW. So they are using oil company money as well.
I'm a seniro n high school and i will be attending colege next yr. Just yesterday i asked my paretns how i was going to be paying for my education. Now lucky for me they have been saving since i was a baby and i am going to be able to pay for most of my higher education. However with bush's fundings cut less fortunate people will be harder pressed to pay for their college tutution and living expenses.
However the simple fact is that college is not for everyone and even so tutution at many commutnity schools can be less than 5 thousand dollars a yr. I have many friends that live with their parents and work two jobs while taking classes. However most of them were slackers in high school and were not able to get any scholorships because of this fact. I feel like u are taking away from people accomplishments through hard work. George Bush is a trying to build houses for people who forget higher education, will be struggling to simply make enough money to keep themselves alive. His methods suck but come up with better ones.
As for taxing oil company and buisness tycoons alike, while the idea in theory is good is has several negitive effects. People are greedy end of story take more money away from tehm and they may find more way to exploit people hurting the nations economy. My arguement is somewhat weak because i do believe in higher taxes for the richest of the rich. Anyways i', straying from the issue of private higher education. Its just that, Ivy league schools are private buisness self sustaining buisnesses. State schools however are not and because of that are cheaper and likewise for community schools.
Just as a note, I'm heading to college next year myself, and I'm paying 30 thousand a year for tuition and room and board. Right now, I get 20 thousand of that covered just through scholarships, and I have far from perfect grades.
One scholarship is for 8,000 a year, the other for 11,500 a year, plus being an Ohio student and going to an Ohio college, I get $900 paid for by the state government automatically.
At 11/9/05 05:26 PM, theburningliberal wrote: Just as a note, I'm heading to college next year myself, and I'm paying 30 thousand a year for tuition and room and board. Right now, I get 20 thousand of that covered just through scholarships, and I have far from perfect grades.
One scholarship is for 8,000 a year, the other for 11,500 a year, plus being an Ohio student and going to an Ohio college, I get $900 paid for by the state government automatically.
great note, so ur saying u got lucky and/or u write good admissions letters. 10 grand plus living expenses is a lot of money. Even working 2 or 3 jobs many if not most people would be unable to pay for their college tution.
At 11/9/05 05:26 PM, theburningliberal wrote: Just as a note, I'm heading to college next year myself, and I'm paying 30 thousand a year for tuition and room and board. Right now, I get 20 thousand of that covered just through scholarships, and I have far from perfect grades.
One scholarship is for 8,000 a year, the other for 11,500 a year, plus being an Ohio student and going to an Ohio college, I get $900 paid for by the state government automatically.
I didnt get squat for my school in Pennsylvania. Its one of the most expensive technical schools in the state and the only financial aid we got was a loan. Apparently if your parents make too much money you can't get any financial relief. They just never took into consideration how much you have to pay in bills. I think they need to rethink a few things.
Well where was the money going to come from? We were losing money left and right even before Katrina hit, education's not the only place that we're losing money. Now I'd much rather see a huge sum of the money coming from overly rich politicians and athletes, but that's hoping for too much.
College is a very important factor of our society, and although the majority of Americans will still be able to afford college after the tragedy, there will be some hopeful seniors who are unable to afford tuition do to the cuts in education. But here's what they can do, NOT BITCH ABOUT IT. As badly as they need to go to college, people in the gulf (and I would know) are in seriously dire condition. It's worth a few seniors not meeting tuition to have hundreds of thousands of people able to have liveable conditions.
Get a job, take out some student loans, or even take the year off if you have to make some money. These sacrifices are a lot less than what my bretheren are having to sacrfice.
I hate to say this, but the government doesn't owe you anything. You get to school based on your own merit and if your own money. Why should the federal government, or even the state government, entitle you to a college education?
I think we should eliminate federal aid for college students. That's what we need to do.
At 11/9/05 03:14 PM, The_Tank wrote: Big Oil made a mint after Hurricane Katrina by using it as an excuse to raise prices. The government is going to tax alot of this money and use it for funding in public schools. I heard this today on my local news radio station KYW. So they are using oil company money as well.
Preach ON dude!!
So wait you mean i'm not going to uni now. oh noes.
Univeristy of Glasgow look out.
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At 11/9/05 05:54 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: I hate to say this, but the government doesn't owe you anything. You get to school based on your own merit and if your own money. Why should the federal government, or even the state government, entitle you to a college education?
I think we should eliminate federal aid for college students. That's what we need to do.
For sure. And I'm saying this as a college-bound senior looking to get enough money together to pay for college.
At 11/9/05 06:40 PM, theburningliberal wrote:At 11/9/05 05:54 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:
For sure. And I'm saying this as a college-bound senior looking to get enough money together to pay for college.
Enlist or go to canada.
Hell come over to the UK.
It's cheaper then america.
Plus you get free medical care.
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Bush doesnt do something, people bitch. Bush does something to help, people bitch.
He'll always get bashed on either spending too much, or not spending enough by the democratic party.
At 11/9/05 06:44 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:At 11/9/05 06:40 PM, theburningliberal wrote:At 11/9/05 05:54 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote:Enlist or go to canada.
For sure. And I'm saying this as a college-bound senior looking to get enough money together to pay for college.
Hell come over to the UK.
It's cheaper then america.
Plus you get free medical care.
I've already got most of my college education paid for via scholarships from my college. I've only got to come up with like 8 grand a year for four years, and I'll probably end up getting that in scholarship money as well.
At 11/9/05 06:46 PM, TimeFrame wrote: He'll always get bashed on either spending too much, or not spending enough by the democratic party.
Welcome to the wonderful 2-party system. If you didn't vote for him, he's an asshole no matter what.
Good thing im getting the Goethe Institut to pay for my College Education.
At 11/9/05 05:54 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: I hate to say this, but the government doesn't owe you anything. You get to school based on your own merit and if your own money. Why should the federal government, or even the state government, entitle you to a college education?
I think we should eliminate federal aid for college students. That's what we need to do.
Are you insane? What about the poor people out there who just cannot get into a good college regaurdless of grades?
What about those people who got a scholarship for tuition, but not room and board.
Federal Aid actually gave people a chance to compete in the world and furthur their eduction. People shouldn't just quit after high school and start a job just because they can't afford to go to college and the government wouldn't help.
HECK! I am even using FASFA at the moment to help pay for VERY important things that I just couldn't pay for. In fact I really don't think I would of made it into college without it.
Now you are telling me we should do away with it? Sure, they do that and the attendence rate in college will drop drastically.
At 11/9/05 08:32 PM, hugN_emo_girl wrote: Are you insane? What about the poor people out there who just cannot get into a good college regaurdless of grades?
If they can't get the grades, why should they get into a good college? Go to community college if you're not up to paying university prices.
What about those people who got a scholarship for tuition, but not room and board.
It's called a job. Room and board for a college is pretty cheap. Sure, it's not some big appartment building. You're cramped and it's a pain in the ass to live in them, but hey, they're cheap.
Federal Aid actually gave people a chance to compete in the world and furthur their eduction. People shouldn't just quit after high school and start a job just because they can't afford to go to college and the government wouldn't help.
Why should the government help? My friend and his mother work two jobs each and they never see eachother. He works at night, goes to school during the day. All this time he's able to pay tuition, his mortgage and the extra bills that pile up. If you're that determined to go to college, you're determined. You don't just sit back and let people baby you. That's not what college is about. If you really want to learn, you work for it.
HECK! I am even using FASFA at the moment to help pay for VERY important things that I just couldn't pay for. In fact I really don't think I would of made it into college without it.
Well, good for you.
Now you are telling me we should do away with it? Sure, they do that and the attendence rate in college will drop drastically.
And then maybe the truly intelligent and gifted students could get in, instead of just the people who are lackluster about college, only going for the cool parties, or the kids whos skin is the right color.
At 11/9/05 08:14 PM, -mojo- wrote:
This is a typical conservative view on any thing
Ex. Bush donated $10,000 to that Tsunami Relief. Yet because he's rich, the democrats of America decided to bash him for not giving enough (altho he spent more than the average American in ratio terms). And they didnt consider that America as a whole donated tons.
And there you have it.
Think a little harder.
If your grades aren't good enough to get you a scholarship and you don't have the ability to work and go to school perhaps college isn't for you. Not everyone has to go to college and for a lot of people it's just a waste of time and resources. How many thousands of people are there throughout the nation on six year plans to get degrees in fine arts on the government's buck? Honestly if higher education isn't something you're willing to work for then you probably don't need one.
At 11/9/05 05:26 PM, theburningliberal wrote: Just as a note, I'm heading to college next year myself, and I'm paying 30 thousand a year for tuition and room and board. Right now, I get 20 thousand of that covered just through scholarships, and I have far from perfect grades.
One scholarship is for 8,000 a year, the other for 11,500 a year, plus being an Ohio student and going to an Ohio college, I get $900 paid for by the state government automatically.
....Sure, but thats just your individual situation. You got lucky, if your grades are far from perfect. Or your just in a good place to be... But what about food stamps??? And the peoples whose scholarships will be cut now. Or the ones that WONT be given in the future??
For once I don't see why people are bitching so much about this. The steps taken only reduce the "free" money given out vs. the amount from loans, so that it doesn't make it any harder to get into college. They are mearly making it more of your responsibility to actually pay for it. I am saying this as a college sophmore, that is taking some loans and working his ass off in a factory over the summer. While education would ideally be easily available to all of us, to expect that is naive. To say it simply, through hard work, a little academic prowess (in the form of scholarships) and reasonable loans, college is affordable to most all of us.
It's not like the kids were really making good use of it anyway.
At 11/9/05 09:23 PM, -mojo- wrote:
Yes, Bush is a billionaire and yes, he could've given more.
Along with everyone else in America.
At 11/9/05 09:23 PM, -mojo- wrote:At 11/9/05 08:46 PM, TimeFrame wrote: Ex. Bush donated $10,000 to that Tsunami Relief. Yet because he's rich, the democrats of America decided to bash him for not giving enough (altho he spent more than the average American in ratio terms). And they didnt consider that America as a whole donated tons.Think a little harder.Look, when you have about 2 Billion Dollars.. in ratio, that's about as generous as me donating 5 bucks to charity efforts.
All right then. What is your yearly income and how much did you give to the tsunami relief? If it's not 2.5%, you are a worse person than Bush according to yourself.
Yes, Bush is a billionaire and yes, he could've given more. Why do people sympathize with rich people?
First of all, Bush is a billionaire? Where'd you find this out?
I don't symphasize with the rich anymore than I symphasize with the poor. Bush paid the Islamic Zakat (2.5%) in one charitable contribution! And he spends roughly 9 to 10% of his income yearly on charitable groups and churches. And that doesn't even account for what the government takes away from him against his will. Why don't you do a little research and look at his income statements?
Sorry, but you liberals drive me insane. I want to see YOUR income statements so I have full proof that you aren't nearly as generous as our President.
At 11/9/05 09:34 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Sorry, but you liberals drive me insane.
I agree with your point as whole, that's just completely ironic. Especially seeing as you just made a thread critiquing Howard Dean for making hateful generalizations about an entire party.
At 11/9/05 10:00 PM, DamienK wrote:At 11/9/05 09:34 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Sorry, but you liberals drive me insane.I agree with your point as whole, that's just completely ironic. Especially seeing as you just made a thread critiquing Howard Dean for making hateful generalizations about an entire party.
I didn't make a hateful generalization. I just said that liberals drive me insane; I didn't say I hate them and everything they stand for.
Wasn't he the one blaming Bush for being greedy for not giving enough money?
Nonetheless, thanks for agreeing.
I'm in College now, and I have a great job so I am able to pay for my classes myself, but I have many friends that are struggling with student loans, so I am completely of the mind to say that it is fucked up to do this. Food stamps in particular, I think that the rich should fork over some of their fucking money to help out with programs that can help people with financial problems. FUCK YOU BUSH!!
At 11/9/05 11:28 PM, MasterBlaster500 wrote: I'm in College now, and I have a great job so I am able to pay for my classes myself, but I have many friends that are struggling with student loans, so I am completely of the mind to say that it is fucked up to do this. Food stamps in particular, I think that the rich should fork over some of their fucking money to help out with programs that can help people with financial problems. FUCK YOU BUSH!!
You do realize that the government spends so much money on food stamps that they have to advertise them?
I've never understood why charity is the government's business. The government's not supposed to be your mother, your sugar-daddy, or your best friend. Besides, it's horrible at it.
Come to Canada. I go to school for 8 grand CND a year, and it's one of the best programs in the country. It's still not cheap, but hey, it's better than the US tuition costs.
Or go to Sweden. I hear they got free post-secondary education there.
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