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At 11/5/05 03:01 PM, Inglor wrote:

At 11/5/05 02:58 PM, Ninja-Chicken wrote: Also inglor what did you make that got paid shit money?

Sinjid

Ah really what was your role and how much did you get?

At 11/5/05 03:02 PM, Ninja-Chicken wrote: Ah really what was your role and how much did you get?

Role: scripting the movement, bits of the battle engine, a LOT of conceptual stuff,
Pay: web hosting and a domain, neither under the group's control, later on redirected in a mean way to the "sponsor". later on, the people who remained in that group had to change name, after the name change the dude bought their new domain too, it now also redirects to his site and not theirs.

At 11/4/05 01:49 PM, Inglor wrote:

At 11/4/05 01:43 PM, -liam- wrote:

At 11/4/05 01:22 PM, Inglor wrote: no offense, but 50$ is a practical insult to the entire development team.

Not really an insult to a 13 year old though, is it?

An insult to the countless hours it takes to create a fun flash game. Trust me it feels like crap getting paid that much for countless hours of work, I know.

Hey man, some people make games and movies for fun you know. Im not saying sponsorship is wrong or anything, but its the fun you have making the game/movie that is priority, the money is an optional addition, at least in my opinion

At 11/5/05 03:16 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Hey man, some people make games and movies for fun you know. Im not saying sponsorship is wrong or anything, but its the fun you have making the game/movie that is priority, the money is an optional addition, at least in my opinion

Well, if you make games only for money, then you should not make it at all. But if you DO think it's fun, why not make money on it? Sure the fun in making it is the priority.

Oh, now you guys know I'm not here on the weekend.

At 11/5/05 02:57 PM, Inglor wrote: neg, you're taking this out of porportions, I never once mentioned AG in this thread. When I came to this thread the first thing I had in mind is "Shit, no matter what I say or how I critisize 50$ as a pay for a full game or the site having flash without permission , it will still come out like it's big evil armorgames trying to kill the underdog".

Then don't you think you could have saved face by keeping quiet for the first time in a thread like this? :-/

Seriously, don't take things out of context. I was just critisizing him for doing so.

I'm not sure what brand new context you think I brought this into. You took huge flak for doing this in Riftmaster's thread, and yet you're here, doing it again. C'mon.

in no stage is/was AG involved in any way.

Here's the funny thing. Your sig says
Flash Game contest (HUGE prizes)
Get Paid for Flash AND keep all the rights
How the Hell can you think that you're not pushing your own agenda everywhere you go when your sig has multiple flashy links to AG following a post about how there are "better alternatives"?

I think you value your own opinions much more then anyone elses.

Anyone who says they don't value their own opinions more than anyone else is either a liar or a lapdog. Our opinions formulate our personalities and our individuality. If I just globbed around absorbing other peoples' opinions, I'd be less myself than a mush of other people.

You arent always right so let me have a chance to defend myself (and im sure some others who disagree)

When have I ever taken away your chance to defend yourself? I've never banned you and I can't even recall deleting a post of yours. If you fail to convey a point, that's no fault of mine. And don't give me some holier than thou speech about me thinking I'm always right. You're at least as pretentious as I am. Even our conversation today where you speculated that I was 18 and living with my parents. There was no grounds for that. Again, I'm 20 and I'm in my third year of living away from home to attend university/college

Flash is a hobby, yes, but if I go out of my way to finish of an excellent project I may as well get some good recognition by allowing someone (such as AG or CMG) to put there logo in it in return for money.

I missed the part where he said "I'm only accepting excellent projects that you worked for months on!" You guys make the mistake of thinking that he's trying to steal Gel's or Monkokio's business or something. He just wants some modest but decent game makers.

You say that because we as authors aim high and work hard that we are spoiled?
$50 is nothing compared to hours of hard work

Thanks for that. I really know nothing of hard work. But someday I aspire to clone another easy-to-program Newgrounds cliche <3

Also, you cannot critise inglor for advertsising AG when it is on topic. He is merely pointing out to the people who dont know about it so that they can get a better deal for there work.

On topic if you explode the scope of the topic out of proportion. The topic is not "Everybody who sponsors games c'm'ere and compete for attention". He was just making people aware of his offers, and there are plenty of threads doing the same for AG.

I am sure you would be kinda pissed off if you made a game and someone gave you $50 because you were unaware you could be getting alot more from someone else.

Mmmnope. Maybe this is why you're so self-assured. You project your notions as being human nature. I just found out the other day that - in one of my larger projects - my partner is being paid and I'm not. Did I make a fuss and quit? No, because it's a cool game and I'm not a spoiled brat. $22,000 in debt, you can be sure I need the money more than you do, and yet...

I think the main point you have been getting at is some people make flash as a hobbie and not for the cash but a little bonus is good. Well why get a little bonus when you could get a large one?

Because life is not always a statistic or a machine code conditional. What if Mo offered you $100 more than AG up front with no contract? What then? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't take it. And if you would, you've got some serious questions to ask yourself.

Thanks for hearing me out

Thanks for making my Monday night a little more entertaining.

to someone who is not as versed in the nuances and/or has not spent so much time learning it; 50 bucks isn't all that bad. just run with it.

You guys gotta a good little thing going on here. i for one dont intend on geting paid for any of my flash. And i think 50$ is just a little bonus, but no, we do not deserve 500+$ for our work. i have fun doing flash and could care less about getting paid.

At 11/3/05 05:19 PM, NegativeONE wrote:

:Some people would love $50 for their games.

Heh, I'd do it for 10!

cool $50 i might make a game

If I ever were to get sponsored, I wouldnt care about the money. It would just feel good to know that you made something good.

At 11/5/05 02:50 PM, Ninja-Chicken wrote: $50 is nothing compared to hours of hard work

Hey, I just want to say that no, $50 is not alot for hours of hard work. But, he is not expecting hard hours of work like Armor Games is or even Crazy Monkey Games for that matter. As I've spoken to this guy before, I know that he is looking for those fairly decent games that Armor Games or CMG wouldn't accept but still are above that quality bar. I'm not saying that if you make a game with a circle that can jump around platforms, he'll accept it. He wants games that have some effort put into them, something at least really worth $50. Now I know I'm him, and I'm pretty much describing how he feels from my point of view, but I'm 99% sure that this is what he means and that that is what he wants. Thanks, I hope you all understand now. Good luck saads =)

50 buckz?? Are u serious? Thats a lot i dont care what anybody sayz. To get paid for something most of us do for fun is great and I would b glad to help another newgrounder's site out.

I already joined:
I don't think flash should be used as a money-making thing.

And I know at least somebody will say $50 is nothing compared to hard work,
but that's your opinion and this is mine.

yea 50 bucks isnt even bad for a game...if your good at youll get known to hell id like 50 bucks for one of my games...but i havent made any yet haha

Hey, if you want, you can look at my game in my profile called "Candeh Catcher" and see if youll gimme $50 for it :)

At 11/8/05 12:43 AM, -Reedo11- wrote: Heh, I'd do it for 10!

Id do it for free becuase it feels good knowing that your game got sponsored.

At 11/8/05 10:57 AM, SpamBurger wrote: Hey, if you want, you can look at my game in my profile called "Candeh Catcher" and see if youll gimme $50 for it :)

No one plays it anymore, it's not on the frontpage, not on the top 50; actually not on www.newgrounds.com/portal at all!
If you want to get sponsored you need to get sponsored BEFORE submitting.

I've been aiming more than $50 lately but it could be a good start. *Adds to msn*

At 11/8/05 03:11 PM, -Toast- wrote: No one plays it anymore, it's not on the frontpage, not on the top 50; actually not on www.newgrounds.com/portal at all!
If you want to get sponsored you need to get sponsored BEFORE submitting.

Yes, its in the halloween collection.

50 bucks is cool, but more is still always better.

Yes, flash is all for the fun of it, but don't people take on careers that they like doing, but still expect to be paid for it? You get paid more working at IHOP or McDonalds by the hour. The fun and pay difference balance out if you think about it. A month for 300 but still having fun? Or 600 a month doing a job that is dirty and disguisting?

But yes, 50 dollars is nice and any beginner should take that offer. I mean, think about it, you could an XBOX 360 or PS3 with 5-6 small games!

But ya, I support either way...

As long as both resolve their conflict :D

(im not sure how much 50 dollars converts to pounds too, i think its about £30)

think about it like this..

i work 2 days a week, about 5 hours a day usually less. for that i get paid £30.
i work on a flash game for say 3 days, something kinda fun, not hard work or anything, then i get paid £30 quid for that.

i would rather be making the game.

neg, dude no need to get so into it. inglor clearly wasnt trying to advertise AG or say "hey, AG pay more!". i seriously think your reading into this too far, as in writing out more than alot of other people write in the space of 8 posts, in one.

At 11/8/05 09:47 AM, Tystarr wrote: 50 buckz?? Are u serious? Thats a lot i dont care what anybody sayz. To get paid for something most of us do for fun is great and I would b glad to help another newgrounder's site out.

Exactly my thoughts. I mean, if we people do flash for fun, And we actually LIKE Animating, drawing, programming, stuff. Why not earn money with something you ACTUALLY like doing!? I mean, of course, its hours and hours of hard work, but, working in something you like doing.

Sure, 50 bucks is not much. To you guys (those who are americans) but to me it is. Its like... a lot of money. And I like drawing and animating. So I dont see why i wouldnt do a game, and I can earn money with what i like to do.

So yeah, Saad, I think you already know. But I AM making a game already. With iggy_ziggy. I think we are about 12% complete. But we can kick it up in 3 or 4 weeks. Heh, It'll be cool!

Thanks for hearing me out.

At 11/8/05 06:40 PM, -Mogly- wrote: neg, dude no need to get so into it. inglor clearly wasnt trying to advertise AG or say "hey, AG pay more!". i seriously think your reading into this too far, as in writing out more than alot of other people write in the space of 8 posts, in one.

Boy, it must be awfully easy telling someone involved in a personal argument not to be so involved. It's kinda like telling war veterans to stop tooting their own horn. You don't understand it, so don't think you have any right to moderate their involvement with it.

ok this is really going no where, it seems like neg and inglor have calmed down, but when people tell them to calm down it's just pissing both of them off. dont know why it does, maybe it makes them think they're against them, or maybe it pisses them off because they think they're helping when they're accually just not letting it die, same thing happens to me when im in an argument, and it pisses the hell out of me.

so how bout everyone leaves this topic alone and all listen to ELO's - Mr. Blue Sky. if that doesnt cheer you up than go to hell.

At 11/8/05 08:33 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: , but when people tell them to calm down......

I hate when people do that. Im the kind of person people see as being a "mad" person(in real life, not here), so whever i get the slightest bit iratated, they tell me to calm down. Its one of the worst things you can say in that kind of situation.

At 11/8/05 08:37 PM, 23450 wrote:

At 11/8/05 08:33 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: , but when people tell them to calm down......

I hate when people do that. Im a "mad" person, so whever i get the slightest bit iratated, they tell me to calm down. Its one of the worst things you can say in that kind of situation.

im not even a mad person, and im totally the same way.

hey all!
I dont wanna start any kinda arguments, just wanna say...

Saads first came to me after he saw the alpha of my halo game. And ever since then he's been a pretty cool guy. I showed him the game that i wanted to get sponsored. He enjoyed it, and gladly sponsored and paid me. I got paid on time, and I'm sure the game's gotten him alot of extra traffic. Check my profile and look at Frantic! to see the game I sponosred.
Gamesreloaded looks like a good, upcoming, fun site for people who are bored and wanna play some flash games!

Also, plz leave some reviews and stuff on my game!
Thanks!

At 11/7/05 10:29 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Oh, now you guys know I'm not here on the weekend.

and you haven't bothered linking me to it.

Then don't you think you could have saved face by keeping quiet for the first time in a thread like this? :-/

I was/am trying to help the people that read the thread make the right choice, I'd like to note again I haven't linked to armor games in this thread, and I honestly only did so for the good of the common flasher, do you really think that anyone here does not know about armor games? seriously, do you think people need a reminder? you can rest assured self promotion wasn't my goal when I posted here.

Seriously, don't take things out of context. I was just criticising him for doing so.

I'm not sure what brand new context you think I brought this into. You took huge flak for doing this in Riftmaster's thread, and yet you're here, doing it again. C'mon.

I'm not afraid of criticism or from getting bad PR for armor games. My post on rift's wasn't really well-put but both me and rift knew what it was supposed to mean, it was jose that started the fuss over it and I apologized for phrasing it like that. My posts here might have seemed "low" or "sleezy" to you, but as much as your respect means to me, if one author got sponsored by let's say cmg for three hundrad instead of here for 50 and was able to get a new tablet and hang out for a while with the extra money, I'm satisfied. your respect does mean a lot, don't get it wrong, but it's not even on the scale of this greater good, and I believe that a 50$ sponsorship isn't fair and nor was the site clean of theft when the thread originated.

How the Hell can you think that you're not pushing your own agenda everywhere you go when your sig has multiple flashy links to AG following a post about how there are "better alternatives"?

For one I won't change my sig just to be able to post on this thread. For another people rarely check others' sigs to see if they are in context. I could have just posted "good luck" and you would have said the same thing but point is I am entitled to have an opinion regardless of what my sig is "whoring". what do you suggest, removing it from my sig when I post? NG doesn't let you not post your sig unlike other forum systems, given the option I would have done it.

I missed the part where he said "I'm only accepting excellent projects that you worked for months on!" You guys make the mistake of thinking that he's trying to steal Gel's or Monkokio's business or something. He just wants some modest but decent game makers.

You're making a mistake thinking my goal on this thread was to defend AG's developers from renegading (if that's a word).

Thanks for that. I really know nothing of hard work. But someday I aspire to clone another easy-to-program Newgrounds cliche <3

<3
I know that you work hard on your things, this is why I'm shocked by the way you treat the subject.

On topic if you explode the scope of the topic out of proportion. The topic is not "Everybody who sponsors games c'm'ere and compete for attention". He was just making people aware of his offers, and there are plenty of threads doing the same for AG.

he was making people aware of his offers and I was criticising them. I never went "well AG is better so stfu"

Mmmnope. Maybe this is why you're so self-assured. You project your notions as being human nature. I just found out the other day that - in one of my larger projects - my partner is being paid and I'm not. Did I make a fuss and quit? No, because it's a cool game and I'm not a spoiled brat. $22,000 in debt, you can be sure I need the money more than you do, and yet...

you didn't make a fuss and quit because your partner is/was probably the lead in the project and you quitting would only have you lose the project and not gain anything later on, the conditions didn't change, you were aware you are not getting paid for the project. him getting paid isn't making your conditions worse though unfair.

Because life is not always a statistic or a machine code conditional. What if Mo offered you $100 more than AG up front with no contract? What then? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't take it. And if you would, you've got some serious questions to ask yourself.

Had mo offered me a 100$ more with no contact, full rights to the game and all the other terms AND (here is the importent part) Mo's site was trustworthy, with a good history, never scammed a soul , never conned a soul, didn't steal flash, and wasn't filled with assholes, then yes, I probably would. The reasons a 100$ more with mo isn't worth aren't just the contact, it's the fact you're dealing with mo who has a nasty history and all sad costumers.

--Inglor

At 11/3/05 05:05 PM, Ninja-Chicken wrote: Well seriously you wont get alot for $50 thats pretty tight no matter what. But you never know someone might go for it

Hey man, 50 bucks IS 50 bucks.

I might be able to throw together something quickly and come off $50 richer. I've yet to make some money with flash and this might be good.

Whether you guys like it or not. Flash was created for buisnesses to make money. I love the idea of it staying a hoby that shouldnt get paid unless there is somone willing to pay and you agree. I mean, if someone wants to sponser, why not? If that game is good I think its fine for the author to collect some money along the way. It might even help the author keep making more games if the idea of a cash reward will be at the end then so be it if that helps motivate.

It could be interesting for a minigame. Contact me.