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At 11/27/02 11:29 PM, shawnhollern wrote:

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

Don’t forget the line "under god" in the pledge to the flag...
and the line "in god we trust" on the back of a dollar bill.

freedom of religion my ass!
Its more like freedom of religion but the fine print reads “you must tolerate christianity, because its governing your country” (I wonder if all of that would go under separation of church and state?)

Strictly, "In God We Trust" shouldn't be on the money, because of the seperation of church and state. But seriously, who cares? It's such a small thing, these little inscriptions on coins and bills. Do you know many people who are deeply, deeply offended by this? Who take it as an INSULT to their heritage? Niether do I. It's just not a big deal. And any legislation to change it would cause so much uproar, it's just...not worth changing. It's a non-issue.

At 11/27/02 08:25 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote:

Except that God isn't elected...

Wait, I'm supposed to be excomunicating you for that "...Asians?" topic. Blast.

Christitanity has been elected! N. America revolves around Christianity! ever heard anyone say "oh my Vishnu!"? Hell!, time itself is base on Christianity! what is the year 2002? what does that refer to? 2002 years since what?

I would like to point out that God is not limited to Christianity... all other monotheistic religons refer to God, such as Judaism and Islam.

Strictly, "In God We Trust" shouldn't be on the money, because of the seperation of church and state. But seriously, who cares? It's such a small thing, these little inscriptions on coins and bills. Do you know many people who are deeply, deeply offended by this?

I am, other wise I wouldn’t of said anything.

At 11/27/02 07:23 PM, Blue_Mantis wrote: whats wrong with praying to God? And i don't think the government acted like it does today in the time christianity was formed....

No not at the time, but once Rome converted to Christianity it was all down hill from there. Once the church saw that it had power over people, it exploited it.

"you can't talk to god unless your a member of our church"
"You can't be a member of our church if you don't give us money"

Did you know the catholic church used to charge for absolution? It's true look it up. I don't like organized religion personally. I consider myself to at least be of the basic christian belief structure (One god, Jesus as that god made flesh to save us). But I don't go to church, and I certainly do not agree with the things that have been done "in the name of god" I'm curious to see how many of these so called "men of god" actually get into heaven (*cough* catholic preists *cough*). Anyway that's what I think atheists really have a problem with, it's not so much the logic issue of praying to an invisible man who cannot be proven to exist. It's the whole BS structure that his "children" have built to use him as a device to exploit they're fellow human beings. So now that I totally pissed people off (I'm betting just about everybody misinterprets this one.) I shall take my leave.

Organized Religion was just a tool to control the masses. Sine we have evolved, we have the rule of law now. Weather our current laws are based on christianity or not, we no longer need the religion to support the laws. The laws can stand on there own. Organized religion is obsolete.

Religion is the opium of the people - Karl Marx

I think Religeon is crap. Not that it doesn't exist just that its so fucking nitpicky. There is no proof of any god existing out there, so its all just left down to faith. Which is hard to come by these days.

Now, I don't see Religeon as a bad thing, when you look at from the clearist perspective any religeon is a good way to live by. I'm sure everybody needs a couple of rules to shape their path.

But. The thing that skrews up the whole deal is the middle man. Priests, Revs the whole higherarchy of any religeon, the person who tells you how its done. As I see it, he is no different than the people sitting in front of him, but being a person all dressed up and part of an organisation, he's seen as someone with a bit more authority than yer average human. And has an influence over the nieve, which he can use to no end.
Look at the Pope. Whats so special about him? He isn't a man of god or a prothet. He is a wrinkley old fuck in a romper-suit who has got to the top of the "We're very important to your religeon so give us your hard earned org." Where in in the Bible does it say put money in the collection plate.

hhmm, well thats what I think about that.

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

I break rules a lot. But hell, no ones perfect.

At 11/27/02 08:38 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote:

No, to have salvation you have to accept the lord Jesus Christ as your lord and personal savior. Even if you do break the rules, God will still forgive you. Even Adolf Hitler could have been saved if he asked God for forgiviness.

so after Hitler broke many commandments, took millions of peoples lives, and started a wrold war. If he asked for forgivness on his detahbed moments before he died, he would be saved?

That is precisely why I hate ORGANIZED religion...stupid things like that...Hitler was an animal, along with all of his officers for them to under ANY circumstances get out of eternal punishment is nauseating to me.

But. The thing that skrews up the whole deal is the middle man. Priests, Revs the whole higherarchy of any religeon, the person who tells you how its done. As I see it, he is no different than the people sitting in front of him, but being a person all dressed up and part of an organisation, he's seen as someone with a bit more authority than yer average human. And has an influence over the nieve, which he can use to no end.
Look at the Pope. Whats so special about him? He isn't a man of god or a prothet. He is a wrinkley old fuck in a romper-suit who has got to the top of the "We're very important to your religeon so give us your hard earned org." Where in in the Bible does it say put money in the collection plate.

hhmm, well thats what I think about that.

That's my point exactly, having faith in something is great, believing that some higher being cares about you and will take care of you when you have shuffled off the mortal coil is a great idea...let me put it to you like Kevin Smith tried to put it to us in Dogma:

"They took a good idea, and they built a belief structure around it"...belief can be a dangerous thing, and when somebody comes along and sets themselves up as guardian(s) of that belief (preists) then you have a situation where the idea will be perverted and used to their advantage (The Crusades anyone?)...so I agree man, God, Jesus, Buddha, Vishnu, all the ones I'm forgetting, great ideas. Just fucked up by the belief structures built around them.

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

omg
you target the actual religon rather than to flaws of maintaining it. I am all for christianity, but i beleive that the catholic managment has turned the church into a buisness place rather than a aplace of worship.

maybe some of u people should look up the topic before bashing it...
Hitler could've asked forgiveness and gotten it but that doesn't mean he's going 2 heaven. People can still forgive u but u can still get punishment. I disagree with a lot of stuff int he Catholic relgion(my faith), that's doesn't make me a demon or anything it makes me an ancharist. It's not a big deal and i'm sure i won't go 2 hell for it. The commandments were the 10 basic rules for salvation, we'll all preobably break a few of them some time or another but that doesn't mean we're damned for all eternity. As for organized religion, give me a break! Society doesn't run around it or vise versa so u can put ur little conspiracy theories away

I agree with you man. People tell them selves they can make it to heaven if they apoligize or feel bad. If its something border line bad then your allowd. But starting a chain of concentration camps for an entire race. That's a different story.

At 11/27/02 10:39 PM, mattymetro wrote: 1st of all.. I must say that most of the people in this topic suck and dont know what they are talking about..

All of this religion shit that ya'll are sayin like god forgives if you repent.. and all that shit is uninformed.. The bible is the foundation for that religion so I suggest cracking it open if you want to know those answers..

You are all going just by what you have been fed growing up....

how can millions of people be wrong about religion??? you ask?

The same way millions of people murder animals every day to eat when its NOT necessary..

Think for yourselfs and go by what you actually know and feel and learn... not what some dumbass that is prolly now dead fed to ya when you was growing up...

Another thing, does anyone think that just because it's the majority means it's right? A lot of people will say no, but they really think it's true, they just won't say it.

Think about it. The Bible was written by PEOPLE, people who claimed they had holy revelations to write those stories. Did you ever think of the chance that they could have made a mistake? I mean, they ARE, people. If Jesus himself wrote the entire Bible, or the first Bible fell out of the sky, then it would be a lot easier to believe that absolutely everything in it is accurate.

But, it was written by PEOPLE, and thus, much of it is contradicting (at least so I've heard).

One thing I don't like about people arguing about religion is when an atheist and a Christian are going at it, and the Christian says "give me proof that God DOESN't exist." This is impossible. From his feats in the Bible, God does NOT follow the laws of logic, so how could someone possibly use logic to disprove his existence? It's like saying "use the quadritic formula to make the color green." It's the wrong method for the process.

So, ultimately, we have no proof that any religion is wrong or right, or if any religion exists at all. It's simply beyond what anything can explain.

At 11/28/02 12:46 AM, shawnhollern wrote:

Strictly, "In God We Trust" shouldn't be on the money, because of the seperation of church and state. But seriously, who cares? It's such a small thing, these little inscriptions on coins and bills. Do you know many people who are deeply, deeply offended by this?

I am, other wise I wouldn’t of said anything.

Oh. Never mind. But it's not going to be changed, you realize, not anytime soon. Imagine the uproar...

At 11/28/02 03:44 AM, zoro wrote: Where in in the Bible does it say put money in the collection plate.

I think it's in the Old Testament when Moses is telling the Hebrews the law God is imposing on them to obey or else.

Do some of you not understand that God doesn't revolve around our logic!? GOD CANNOT BE PUT INTO SCIENTIFIC TERMS SO STOP TRYING! This is why so many ppl are faithless, they need actual proof. Sometimes you just have to be believe in something if u feel strong about it.

God id not the goverment .. some govt systems are set up on the teaching of the bible and other books of faith so its reflets religon in ways. but belive me... the govt. is not God...lol

God is unable to be proven by science nor your mine thats why its called FAITH. and thoes without will know when there dead.
- i pray fro al of you to somday relise that Jesus dide for you and you should be thankfull for how easy it is for you have sin forgiven...

-::dont try and proov god with science...its imposible::-

Strictly, "In God We Trust" shouldn't be on the money, because of the seperation of church and state.

Actually, there's one thing that noone realizes about 'seperation of church and state'; It's only supposed to mean that our country will NOT have a national church. But, so many people twisted it into something that would force us all to be bland and 'politically correct.'

At 11/28/02 01:40 AM, PsychxpsilxcybiN wrote:

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

Ahuh... I dont flow towards any religion.

Im supposed to be Christian... I know Jesus exists (How else do you think we're in the year 2002!?), but this "god" you people speak of, I have seen no proof, and a book made long ago does not prove anything. After one incident that happened at a friend's house (which I have no permission to talk about) makes me think that god used to be the biggest possible in the whole damn universe, but he doesnt anymore.

i found that kinda interesting, reading those posts. My parents are strong Christians, although I think I can tell which one of them really believes and which just believes because they were brought up like that. They brought me up as a Christian for the first 10 years of my life, and then started leaving it to me to decide. I still havn't. I agree with a lot of people have said, that organised religion does twist it eventually. It gives no chance for error in interpretation. I currently have no opinion - or, at least, have many opinions, all of which contradict each other. So I'm not going to bother trying to say them all. All I know is that I still don't know enough about life or science or religion to make an opinion which I intend to follow for the rest of my life. But I do want to know, and even if I end up finding out that it's all a load of crap, it's still bloody interesting. like reading a novel. except it may turn out to be true. Which is why I intend to take Chemistry and Maths and Philosophy and R.S. for my A levels - get all sides of it. well, that did not add anything to the topic, but hey. I think agnostic is the best religion (if it counts as one) to be until you feel that you are happy with what you have, and then trying to make other people agree with you will never work, tehy will never get it exactly the same as you.

I am a Catholic, and I really dont think that the "In God We Trust" thing affects anyone. No one is persecuting you if you do not belive in god, its just there. If you say it hurts you, you either want attention, or you are a reallllllly weak person who obvioiusly cares soooooooooo much about everything. Why dont you worry about other things, like homework for instance

Has anyone ever realized that only Christianity (and similar religions) says all other religions are evil and unless you follow Christianity you are devil worshiping moron? I really hate it when Christians try to force their beliefs down your throat. All other religions say that none of the others are evil just different. In fact they would rather you choose your own path instead.
Also has anyone realized the difference between God the Father's beliefs and Jesus' beliefs? Jesus was the first hippie to ever exist. Got the Father is literally all Fire and Brimstone.

I pride myself in being an athiest who perves on young boys and girls.

Well, it's none of your business.

At 11/27/02 11:05 PM, mattymetro wrote:

At 11/27/02 11:01 PM, Scaletail wrote: stuff

Look at you.. your 20 years old and your hanging out on the NG BBS.... shame...

Yet you're 32, whats your point?

Jesus Christ, way to bump a 10 YEAR old thread

the op " wah wah people are some people have beliefs that disagree with mine, there is something wrong with them. wah wah wah."

At 11/28/02 03:07 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Organized Religion was just a tool to control the masses. Sine we have evolved, we have the rule of law now. Weather our current laws are based on christianity or not, we no longer need the religion to support the laws. The laws can stand on there own. Organized religion is obsolete.

Religion is the opium of the people - Karl Marx

Then leave the church to their religion, and the law to their own beliefs.

But there's no reason to 'destroy religion', OP.

If you don't want a religion, I'm cool with it. But going off raging trying kill what others believe in just to fuel your own belief is completely hypocritical.

Here's an idea OP ignore it and seek a different religion. Or actually read the bible because all those rules are forgiven if you ask GOD for forgiveness.