Anti-Religion

[llama]

am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

[llama]

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

[Blue-Mantis]

whats wrong with praying to God? And i don't think the government acted like it does today in the time christianity was formed....

[Blue-Mantis]

forgot 2 add...
rules can be broken, it's natural, we just shouldn't strive to break em

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

Uhh, you can still break the rules and get to heaven. All of us break the rules on a daily basis, so it's impossible to live your life perfectly. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour by asking to him come into your heart and life, then you are saved. No questions asked. All of your sin is wiped away and you are perfect in God's eyes. Sure you're still going to fuck up from that point on, but as long as you repent and ask God for forgiveness, you'll be fine. Whoever told you that breaking the rules means you are going to hell is a liar, and shouldn't be preaching.

And also, if you weren't praying to God, who would you be praying to? Since you're a Christian, God is THE God, he's not one of many. Praying to anything/anyone else would make no sense, and defeats the whole purpose of the Christian beliefs.

[Link64]

Praying to only GOD, is stressed in all monothestic religions like judasim, islam and christianity.. its their basis!

[TheNewAuk-defiant]

At 11/27/02 06:54 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote:

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote: am I the only one who notices that praying to only God is extremley stressed in Christianity? And to have salvation you can't break any rules? Sounds like a government almost...

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

Except that God isn't elected...

Wait, I'm supposed to be excomunicating you for that "...Asians?" topic. Blast.

[llama]

Except that God isn't elected...

Wait, I'm supposed to be excomunicating you for that "...Asians?" topic. Blast.

Christitanity has been elected! N. America revolves around Christianity! ever heard anyone say "oh my Vishnu!"? Hell!, time itself is base on Christianity! what is the year 2002? what does that refer to? 2002 years since what?

[llama]

Uhh, you can still break the rules and get to heaven.

then why are thier commandments?

[llama]

No, to have salvation you have to accept the lord Jesus Christ as your lord and personal savior. Even if you do break the rules, God will still forgive you. Even Adolf Hitler could have been saved if he asked God for forgiviness.

so after Hitler broke many commandments, took millions of peoples lives, and started a wrold war. If he asked for forgivness on his detahbed moments before he died, he would be saved?

[James-Ball]

At 11/27/02 08:33 PM, ManWithTheGoldenGun wrote:

At 11/27/02 06:50 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote:

No, to have salvation you have to accept the lord Jesus Christ as your lord and personal savior. Even if you do break the rules, God will still forgive you. Even Adolf Hitler could have been saved if he asked God for forgiviness.

Now thats so fucked up ADOLF HITLER killed millions and commited many atrocities yet he can go to heaven but.... Gahndi saved a lot of lifes through non violent movements but hes a hindu.... HES DAMNED TO HELL NO MATTER WHAT

FUCK RELIGON

ATHEISM IS THE ONLY WAT MY FRIEND

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 08:38 PM, Digital_Chameleon wrote:

No, to have salvation you have to accept the lord Jesus Christ as your lord and personal savior. Even if you do break the rules, God will still forgive you. Even Adolf Hitler could have been saved if he asked God for forgiviness.

so after Hitler broke many commandments, took millions of peoples lives, and started a wrold war. If he asked for forgivness on his detahbed moments before he died, he would be saved?

Yup, sure could have. All it takes to be saved is accepting Jesus, but so many people find that hard to do. Somewhere along the line they think they have to be Mr. Perfect to get to heaven, and they are partially right. In the Old Testament, the only way to get to Heaven was to do good acts and live as perfect a life as possible. Since the great majority of people found this difficult to do, God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross and forgive us our sins. So since his death, all it takes to be saved is to accept his free gift of salvation. Its so easy, but people still refuse it.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 11/27/02 07:41 PM, SoulRifter wrote:
Uhh, you can still break the rules and get to heaven. All of us break the rules on a daily basis, so it's impossible to live your life perfectly. As long as you accept Jesus Christ as your saviour by asking to him come into your heart and life, then you are saved. No questions asked. All of your sin is wiped away and you are perfect in God's eyes. Sure you're still going to fuck up from that point on, but as long as you repent and ask God for forgiveness, you'll be fine. Whoever told you that breaking the rules means you are going to hell is a liar, and shouldn't be preaching.

So I can go kill someone, confess, repent, say 50 hail marries, and I'm good to go? Yet if I live a good life and hurt no one, but I don't believe in jesus, I get hell?

Well I'll take hell over hypocracy. Anyday.

[mattymetro]

1st of all.. I must say that most of the people in this topic suck and dont know what they are talking about..

All of this religion shit that ya'll are sayin like god forgives if you repent.. and all that shit is uninformed.. The bible is the foundation for that religion so I suggest cracking it open if you want to know those answers..

You are all going just by what you have been fed growing up....

how can millions of people be wrong about religion??? you ask?

The same way millions of people murder animals every day to eat when its NOT necessary..

Think for yourselfs and go by what you actually know and feel and learn... not what some dumbass that is prolly now dead fed to ya when you was growing up...

I dont belive in shit...

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 10:38 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote:

So I can go kill someone, confess, repent, say 50 hail marries, and I'm good to go? Yet if I live a good life and hurt no one, but I don't believe in jesus, I get hell?

Well I'll take hell over hypocracy. Anyday.

Hail Mary's are just something the Catholic's added in, so saying even a bazillion of them isn't going to get you anywhere. But yeah, just living a good life doesn't guarantee a place in heaven. The only way is to accept Christ and that's it. If you live a life of terrible sin, but repent before you die, you will still go to heaven, but your reward will just not be as big. But hey, you're still in heaven so who cares. I know it sounds retarded but that's the way it is.

[MarijuanaClock]

At 11/27/02 10:42 PM, SoulRifter wrote:
Hail Mary's are just something the Catholic's added in, so saying even a bazillion of them isn't going to get you anywhere. But yeah, just living a good life doesn't guarantee a place in heaven. The only way is to accept Christ and that's it. If you live a life of terrible sin, but repent before you die, you will still go to heaven, but your reward will just not be as big. But hey, you're still in heaven so who cares. I know it sounds retarded but that's the way it is.

Well isn't that grand, do you not see somthing essentialy wrong with that? The good are punished and the evil saved. Hahahaha, if I live a good life and don't hurt anyone, yet I still go to hell(if there is a hell) I'll take it. If thats what religion is all about it's the most disgusting thing I had ever, ever, ever imagined.

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 10:53 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote:

Well isn't that grand, do you not see somthing essentialy wrong with that? The good are punished and the evil saved. Hahahaha, if I live a good life and don't hurt anyone, yet I still go to hell(if there is a hell) I'll take it. If thats what religion is all about it's the most disgusting thing I had ever, ever, ever imagined.

Well you have to remember that God wants to save the good as well as the bad. If you're going to live a good, moral life though, why not make Jesus part of it? If you really want to live like God wants, then accepting Christ should be a hige priority in your walk to be the best possible person you can. It only makes sense.

[IamjustSci]

You ever heard the phrase that people who preach anti-christianity are the Southern Baptists of Atheism? Dude, get over yourself. You're not going to change the mind of anyone who believes, and for those of us who already aren't Christian...Shut the fuck up anyway, it just makes you come across as a whiney bitch who didn't get enough hugs from his mom and was pissed off cause he was forced to go to church and got mad when he learned jacking off was against the rules

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:01 PM, Scaletail wrote:

...and was pissed off cause he was forced to go to church and got mad when he learned jacking off was against the rules

Ha ha, your sig pic looks like a giant red Sperm Cell. Looks like atleast one person here has done a little too much jerking off.

[mattymetro]

At 11/27/02 11:01 PM, Scaletail wrote: stuff

Look at you.. your 20 years old and your hanging out on the NG BBS.... shame...

[Mushroom-Clock]

At 11/27/02 10:57 PM, SoulRifter wrote:

At 11/27/02 10:53 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote:

Well isn't that grand, do you not see somthing essentialy wrong with that? The good are punished and the evil saved. Hahahaha, if I live a good life and don't hurt anyone, yet I still go to hell(if there is a hell) I'll take it. If thats what religion is all about it's the most disgusting thing I had ever, ever, ever imagined.

Well you have to remember that God wants to save the good as well as the bad. If you're going to live a good, moral life though, why not make Jesus part of it? If you really want to live like God wants, then accepting Christ should be a hige priority in your walk to be the best possible person you can. It only makes sense.

WTF? Did this all of a sudden become churchgrounds.com? Yo I used to be Christian, and you have good intent, and I appreciate that. But believing that God is a part of a Trinity, and that he has a son, is blasphemous. Do you believe that God in 3 in 1? If you think logically, you would know it makes no sense. These concepts were created at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. Roman paganism was put into Jesus's original teaching so it would be accepted by the Roman emperor. Paganism infected Christianity. If you want proof of this, I'll provide you some. Many Christian priests who have converted to other religions have talked about this and written books about it. But seriously, newgrounds isn't the place to talk about religion. Most people come here to have fun, not to talk about series topics like this.

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:05 PM, SoulRifter wrote:

At 11/27/02 11:01 PM, Scaletail wrote:

...and was pissed off cause he was forced to go to church and got mad when he learned jacking off was against the rules

Ha ha, your sig pic looks like a giant red Sperm Cell. Looks like atleast one person here has done a little too much jerking off.

Damnit, you already said that in your sig. Oof, there goes my who joke.

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:05 PM, Mushroom_Clock wrote:

WTF? Did this all of a sudden become churchgrounds.com? Most people come here to have fun, not to talk about series topics like this.

Ya I know, but I was just trying to answer DC's and MarijuanaClock's questions. Don't think I helped muh but I have to try. Besides, we're only allowed to talk about serious things now since Wade has started to crack down on Spam. Anything else I might say which may be in "fun" could turn out to be spam, so I'm not taking any chances.

[SteveGuzzi]

cut&paste from this topic...

I don't believe in God the way Christians believe in God. My father was raised Catholic, my mother Jewish. They didn't force ANY religion upon me. A long time ago I asked my father what religion I am, and he pointed to the livingroom bookshelf (which contains 3 different version of the Bible, the Koran, the Kabbalah, and a bunch of other miscellaneous books on religion, among other things). I can't honestly say I read each one cover to cover, but that really doesn't matter.

Consider this: If you take just one version of the Bible and give it to a group of people all of Christian faith, each person will interpret the same excerpts in completely different ways. Some will take it literal, some will take it at symbolic of something else. It doesn't matter that they might not be priests or ministers, because preists and ministers pull different meaning out of the same text also. I'm probably wrong about the exact date, but the first Bible was written around FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS. Consider the margin of error and misinterpretation that can occur during that time, and then add 1502 more years on top of that! That's where Christianity is at today.

If the timespan of the existence of Earth was represented by the width of your computer screen (ie. like 1024 pixels wide), the timespan that humans have been on Earth would not fill even ONE pixel across, or even 1/4 of one pixel for that matter. During the time that we HAVE been here, Christianity (as we know it) has only really been around for the last 2002 years of it. So I guess everyone that came before that time was just doomed from the start, eh? All the great Egyptian, Chinese, Indian, and Greek/Roman civilizations, with their varying religions, they all just went straight to hell, eh? Even when they had no concept of just ONE God? To believe that is foolish. The ancient Egyptian civilization lasted longer than the current society we live in today (which may end soon enough due to nuclear weapons, paving the way for new emerging religions and beliefs in a completely changed Earth), but according to some of you, they had no hope of salvation from the start. I find that amusing.

I don't believe in God as some big white dude with a white beard who wears white robes with gold tassels and other images Christians are known to love. I believe in science, and whatever formula that makes amino acids combine to form proteins in the presence of electricity (which Slizor was alluding to I believe, because scientists have reproduced that), that is God. The laws of gravity, the elements that make up the universe, the things that make existence possible, that's God to me. There's definately something greater than all of humankind, but it doesn't rest on a throne on top of a cloud in the sky, that's for damn sure.

At 11/2/02 03:16 AM, Inglis wrote: I totally agree, theres kids on here telling me to read the bible and figure it out, well let me tell you i have read like 20 pages of the bible, and let me say that it just increased my argument against god, and then theres this guy whos read the godanm KORAN, point is that there is just way to many interpretations of what the world is and why, for any of them to be right. Do you christians honastly think your going to heaven becase u bathed in a little "holey water" (sprite) and ate some holey biscits? (triscits)????

Yeah. I don't want to shit on anyone's religion though, because if that's what gives them strength and gets them through the day, then more power to them.

If you were to go back in time and try to explain to the Greeks/Romans that the sun is a ball of burning gasses and NOT a God riding his flaming chariot from one end of the sky to the other, they'd basically say "bullshit, kiss my ass nonbeliever". It's all they knew, all their parents knew, and all their grandparents knew. Same shit today...you try to school someone to other possibilities and other ways of thinking, and their minds just can't handle being told something different than what they've been raised to believe their whole lives.

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

Don’t forget the line "under god" in the pledge to the flag...
and the line "in god we trust" on the back of a dollar bill.

freedom of religion my ass!
Its more like freedom of religion but the fine print reads “you must tolerate christianity, because its governing your country” (I wonder if all of that would go under separation of church and state?)

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:29 PM, shawnhollern wrote:

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

Don’t forget the line "under god" in the pledge to the flag...
and the line "in god we trust" on the back of a dollar bill.

freedom of religion my ass!
Its more like freedom of religion but the fine print reads “you must tolerate christianity, because its governing your country” (I wonder if all of that would go under separation of church and state?)

No one seems to realize that the United States of America was founded on principles of Christianity. Why is it so hard to believe then that most everyone in the US is Christian, or else holds it as the most respectable religion? Try learning something in History class and you just might not make a fool of yourself.

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:29 PM, shawnhollern wrote:

Commandments = laws
Hell= prison
Collection= taxes
God= Prime Minister

see the similairities?

Don’t forget the line "under god" in the pledge to the flag...
and the line "in god we trust" on the back of a dollar bill.

freedom of religion my ass!
Its more like freedom of religion but the fine print reads “you must tolerate christianity, because its governing your country” (I wonder if all of that would go under separation of church and state?)

Also, separation of church and state means that the Govt. cannot interfere in the affairs of the church, and vice versa. Though this is the meaning now, it was originally intended to prevent the church from gaining too much power in the govt, like it did in Europe; hence the reason the Quakers came to America to escape their govt. The Quakers were generally Jesuits, which are a kind of extremist group of Christians. Nowadays, things arent so strict, and those same principles of Christianity have followed us a long through the history of this country. Why else do you think our founding fathers made sure to put "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? They did so to show that we are a Christian-based country, who willingly submits and trusts in God's will to lead our nation.

No one seems to realize that the United States of America was founded on principles of Christianity. Why is it so hard to believe then that most everyone in the US is Christian, or else holds it as the most respectable religion? Try learning something in History class and you just might not make a fool of yourself.

I knew that the country was based off of christianity.
I just meant that over time they should of changes some thing to make some of the laws better when it comes to freedom of religion.

For example..
The engle vs vitel case, and the monkey trials.

[Dopefish]

At 11/27/02 11:43 PM, shawnhollern wrote:

No one seems to realize that the United States of America was founded on principles of Christianity. Why is it so hard to believe then that most everyone in the US is Christian, or else holds it as the most respectable religion? Try learning something in History class and you just might not make a fool of yourself.

I knew that the country was based off of christianity.
I just meant that over time they should of changes some thing to make some of the laws better when it comes to freedom of religion.

For example..
The engle vs vitel case, and the monkey trials.

I spose so yeah. It'd too bad though that people who aren't Christian have to put up with the all stuff which is pretty much thrown in their faces every day. Maybe the laws will change eventually, but I can almost guarantee that the majority of people who are Christian are going to go nuts about it, myself included.

[AJL-1984]

The morals and laws of every Western nation are based on Christianity. That's not gonna change.
The one thing that shits me is the idea that a guy like me, who doesn't do anything to hurt anyone (without reason), who doesn't believe, until I get proof anyways, will go to Hell, while rapists and murderers can repent on their fucking deathbeds, and be saved.