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At 4/14/10 08:10 PM, Dubbi wrote: That steadfast egoism is the secret to achiving the best life.

Hang tight, I'll explain Plato's Eudaimonia within tomorrow's reach.

At 4/14/10 10:24 PM, ohbombuh wrote: Anyway, since I've been out of here a while, I'd just like to ask what you guys think of Daoism ("do nothing, and there is nothing you cannot do"/do things "the natural way") and if it's been mentioned before.

You Mean Taoism correct? It is not necessarily do nothing. Taoism stresses the importance of the Human relationship with nature. It is often thought of as the predecessor of Druidism although not as intense if you will. I believe that this combined with Confucianism (a philosophical belief stressing the importance of Inter-Human relations,personal and psychological, not physical perv,) is the best philosophical viewpoint and attitude to take.

Sorry about the double post button but as this is my first day in the forums I unfortunately could not find an "edit post" button.
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At 4/15/10 11:26 PM, Darknesse13 wrote: Sorry about the double post button but as this is my first day in the forums I unfortunately could not find an "edit post" button.

Tell us about it.

At 4/15/10 02:19 PM, ArmouredGRIFFON wrote:

At 4/14/10 08:10 PM, Dubbi wrote: That steadfast egoism is the secret to achiving the best life.

Hang tight, I'll explain Plato's Eudaimonia within tomorrow's reach.

Hurry up, tomorrow's reach is slowly heading towards its end.

As is our lives.....

Hobbes/Egoism (with reference to) the social contract.

To be egoistic is to be in absolute self interest, with no moral dilemma or concern for others, and always act in your own selfish desire.

Acting against your own moral beliefs for the sacrifice of 'moral acceptance'.

We naturally become cooperative, because the only way to satisfy our interests is to cooperate.

(Fat kid selfish, keeps toys to himself. Wants other toy, must cooperate to get other toy).

It is a veil of ignorance shrouding us, that society accepts what we 'must do' but society doesn't dictate that at all. In fact society dictates what we should do, but we are voluntarily accepting the benefits of cooperating with society. Rationally self interested people, abuse the social contract for their own self gain.

There is no social formal agreement. The social contract only presupposes cooperation but can in no way enforce it. However if you could facilitate without cooperation, become wholeheartedly self sustainable, than each and every action you take can be to fulfil your selfish desires.

ArmouredGRIFFON is banned. He sends some notes for you to have a look at.

Very, very interesting and enlightening! I guess the egoist wouldn't have the best life because everyone would hate him. If everyone despises him, I doubt he'll achieve happiness. Anyway, on to a question that's been bothering me for a while. If there are no universial ethics, (which I believe) why do we have a conscience. How come it feels wrong to lie, cheat and think about murdering? If there are no ethics, if nothing is really right or wrong, why do we think some things are wrong?

At 4/15/10 11:21 PM, Darknesse13 wrote:

At 4/14/10 10:24 PM, ohbombuh wrote: Anyway, since I've been out of here a while, I'd just like to ask what you guys think of Daoism ("do nothing, and there is nothing you cannot do"/do things "the natural way") and if it's been mentioned before.

You Mean Taoism correct? It is not necessarily do nothing. Taoism stresses the importance of the Human relationship with nature. It is often thought of as the predecessor of Druidism although not as intense if you will. I believe that this combined with Confucianism (a philosophical belief stressing the importance of Inter-Human relations,personal and psychological, not physical perv,) is the best philosophical viewpoint and attitude to take.

Taoism can also be called Daoism. I've read that Confucius thought people had to set examples for inferiors, but T-/Daoism focuses on keeping things the way they naturally are. My history teacher read the quote on doing nothing in class, unfortunately I have no idea where she got it. Perhaps whoever said it meant do nothing to change yourself or others. That would seem simpler than combining it with Confucianism; and frankly, much more enjoyable. As with all philosophy, it's still the individual's choice. Anyway, thanks for the perspective.

At 4/17/10 04:42 PM, Friar-Bellend wrote: Hobbes/Egoism (with reference to) the social contract.

To be egoistic is to be in absolute self interest, with no moral dilemma or concern for others, and always act in your own selfish desire.

Acting against your own moral beliefs for the sacrifice of 'moral acceptance'.

We naturally become cooperative, because the only way to satisfy our interests is to cooperate.

(Fat kid selfish, keeps toys to himself. Wants other toy, must cooperate to get other toy).

It is a veil of ignorance shrouding us, that society accepts what we 'must do' but society doesn't dictate that at all. In fact society dictates what we should do, but we are voluntarily accepting the benefits of cooperating with society. Rationally self interested people, abuse the social contract for their own self gain.

There is no social formal agreement. The social contract only presupposes cooperation but can in no way enforce it. However if you could facilitate without cooperation, become wholeheartedly self sustainable, than each and every action you take can be to fulfil your selfish desires.

While this is true you must also observe the theory of Moral Conventionalism. A moral stage theory proposed by Kohlberg. The theory consisted of Pre-conventionalism, Conventionalism, and Post-Conventionalism.

The pre-conventional level consists of the first and second stages of moral development, and is solely concerned with the self in an egocentric manner. A child with preconventional morality has not yet adopted or internalized society's conventions regarding what is right or wrong, but instead focuses largely on external consequences that certain actions may bring.

The conventional level of moral reasoning is typical of adolescents and adults. Those who reason in a conventional way judge the morality of actions by comparing them to society's views and expectations. The conventional level consists of the third and fourth stages of moral development. Conventional morality is characterized by an acceptance of society's conventions concerning right and wrong. At this level an individual obeys rules and follows society's norms even when there are no consequences for obedience or disobedience. Adherence to rules and conventions is somewhat rigid, however, and a rule's appropriateness or fairness is seldom questioned.

The post-conventional level, also known as the principled level, consists of stages five and six of moral development. There is a growing realization that individuals are separate entities from society, and that the individual's own perspective may take precedence over society's view; they may disobey rules inconsistent with their own principles. These people live by their own abstract principles about right and wrong-principles that typically include such basic human rights as life, liberty, and justice. Because of this level's "nature of self before others", the behavior of post-conventional individuals, especially those at stage six, can be confused with that of those at the pre-conventional level.
Very few people ascend beyond Conventionalism in their lifetime into Post-Conventionalism and most of these people are only from cultures that are much more expressive of individual ideals. You will very rarely see post-conventionalism in say Asian culture where society is much more controlling of an individual. In fact post-conventionalism is so rare in so many cultures the people who follow there own moral guidelines are almost always considered thieves, criminals and vigilantes by society in whole.

Q: When knowledge is defined as a justified true belief, if pressed to go for one or the other, would you vouch for Empericism or Rationalism? Justify if you feel the need.

NOTE TO ALL.

I fleshed out the idea of social contract abit in this debate thread here. It's my second post, and that post needs philosophcising. I'm sure we've covered Free Will haven't we?

Here's something I thought of but cannot explain well, " What if we all se different colors"? For example : My red would be your Brown. So Coke cans would see be called "red", but be seen differently for others.

I can't explain it that well because it has to do with everyone's perception, which we cannot prove it at all now can we?

At 4/25/10 01:28 AM, letiger wrote: Here's something I thought of but cannot explain well, " What if we all se different colors"? For example : My red would be your Brown. So Coke cans would see be called "red", but be seen differently for others.

I can't explain it that well because it has to do with everyone's perception, which we cannot prove it at all now can we?

What!?! All you have to do is ask someone what color something is or compare the color of something to something else. What I think you mean is that everyone grew up seeing different colors then everyone else but have the same name for it. Like my perception of brown is actually red but I grew up calling it brown so we all see are own individual colors but they are consistent enough to have the same label throughout our lives.

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The reason why i want to join this club is to be able to express my thoughts and reasoning to others without having to deal with people making fun of me.

Religion vs. Way of life.

a battle that is not won or lost,

ex. : Christianity vs. being a Furry( any of the different types, you decide which)

I thought of a way to "disprove" the whole different color theory. Animals. Certain animals are known to react to certain colors naturally. So unless this theory is due to a certain human gene or adaptation it is incorrect.

At 4/26/10 06:19 PM, Darknesse13 wrote:

Exactly! Well, do you think it would happen? Or could it possibly exist?

At 4/29/10 07:35 PM, Darknesse13 wrote: I thought of a way to "disprove" the whole different color theory. Animals. Certain animals are known to react to certain colors naturally. So unless this theory is due to a certain human gene or adaptation it is incorrect.

Well, perhaps the eye would, and I'm just making this up as I go along, a shade of light and transmit it differnetly. Althought their seeing different colors, the animal is reacting to the different thingy of light.

Yea, can't explain it that well.

At 4/29/10 07:35 PM, Darknesse13 wrote: I thought of a way to "disprove" the whole different color theory. Animals. Certain animals are known to react to certain colors naturally. So unless this theory is due to a certain human gene or adaptation it is incorrect.

At 4/29/10 07:35 PM, Darknesse13 wrote: I thought of a way to "disprove" the whole different color theory. Animals. Certain animals are known to react to certain colors naturally. So unless this theory is due to a certain human gene or adaptation it is incorrect.

I'm thinking it's possible that it's from a human gene. Certain people, certains genes. Everyone is different in their own way of "life." I could say that I am color blind. What if someone is color blind? It's must obviously be in their genes. You could say blue, they will probably say purple.

Bulls only charge at the color red. Why? It's because they have red-green color blindness. Grass is green, they eat grass. They would necessarily think that the color red, is the green. Though, they charge at strangers from the strangers movement. So yes, you could say the bull is adapted to what he see's and hears. He will naturally react. It's in his genes.

The type of color-blindness that bulls have is not how you explained it. In fact most forms of colorblindness does not affect the actual ability to see the color merely the ability to distinguish it from certain other colors when they are in close proximity. If the color is by itself they can easily distinguish it. Also bees react to certain colors as do hummingbirds, mice, dogs, panthers, frogs and even human babies react differently to certain colors.

Thoughts which I cannot articulate well :

Imagine there is no god, no matter what religion you are or aren't.

You will die. There will be nothing.

(Cannot explain in my head. Can only feel this part)

You are you, this is real, you're thinking for you, but everyone else is too. It's just you- (Ok basicly : You're you and no one else and your point and)

Cannot explain it well. Seriously, I've had that thought for a few years now but can never explain it. Now I just thought of all of those at the same time a few minutes ago, and got scared.

At 5/2/10 10:54 AM, letiger wrote: You are you, this is real, you're thinking for you, but everyone else is too. It's just you- (Ok basicly : You're you and no one else and your point and)

Cannot explain it well. Seriously, I've had that thought for a few years now but can never explain it. Now I just thought of all of those at the same time a few minutes ago, and got scared.

I have thought that too. Basically you are the only real person but your thoughts influence the events and pseudo-people around you. Like the old movie Truman where you are the only real thing and everything else was built and happens due to your actions. Basically having ultimate influence upon everything and everyone.

Yes, but my thought around that is as if everyone was real, not just you.

Philosophy joke time!

How many Nihilists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

...

Who the fuck cares?

Terrible, I know :3

At 5/5/10 12:35 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Terrible, I know :3

Eudaimonia, it's part of your 5 a day...

At 5/5/10 12:35 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Philosophy joke time!

How many Nihilists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

...

Who the fuck cares?

Terrible, I know :3

That's such a corny joke. I wonder if anyone will actually get it.

Its not corny.. its Depressingly bad!!

At 5/9/10 04:50 PM, Darknesse13 wrote: Its not corny.. its Depressingly bad!!

Ha ha, touche!