SoaD: 'Deep' Lyrics?

[Newgrundling]

Are System of a Down's lyrics actually symbolic of something meaningful, or just intentionally cryptic / random enough to be called 'deep' by people who don't want to say that they don't understand it, as was the case with Vanilla Sky? Arguments with examples / explanations will be far more valued than simple opinion regurgitation.

I'm thinking specifically of B.Y.O.B. here, but any of their recent lyrics are fair game. Furthermore, I'm not addressing the quality of their music (which I generally like, see Cigaro), only whether or not their lyrics are as pregnant with meaning and edgy political commentary as some of their fans might maintain.

[DMXRoid]

Wait. You're asking if System of a Down is meaningful?

Dude, whatever it is that you smoked, hook it up. That shit's making you question fundamental basics of reality. Next, you'll be claiming that Bruce Campbell really IS the best actor ever, and that Scientology is a meaningful spiritual organization.

[muxxor]

Most of their political songs are deep because they address issues in society. I don't listen to them all that much, but from what I have heard, it all pretty much fits together.

SoaD are a great band and their songs have a lot of political meaning to them. So yes, I'd say that their songs are "deep."

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

Personally I think that if a song has a political message then it is indeed meaningful. Whether they are a good band or not is debatable( Especially in the case of SOAD) but if they have written a song that does actually have a conceivable meaning then it should be considered as having a meaning,

[Redbob86]

"My cock is much bigger than yours, my cock can walk right through the door with a feeling so pure."

Hmmmmmm, no I don't think their lyrics are all that deep.

[EnragedSephiroth]

At 10/30/05 03:22 AM, Newgrundling wrote:

Vanilla Sky was deep, and System of a Down's lyrics are also fueled with a highly concentrated potency of political angst, however, that does not make them a good band. Their two previous albums were better, Toxicity being the better one. I purchased Mesmerize alongside two other albums (Blackwater Park, and Deliverance) by a band named Opeth... I heard the System of a Down album twice since then... and I've never heard it again, but I'm still listening to the other two respective albums I purchased, even as I write this. The point is... political symbolism doesn't necessarily make a good band, no matter how good of a message they deliver, it's all about the quality of their lyrical content and their musical prowess, and frankly SOAD doesn't have either of those two... not anymore at least :P

[poxpower]

At 10/30/05 03:27 AM, DMXRoid wrote: Next, you'll be claiming that Bruce Campbell really IS the best actor ever,

Obviously he his, since he fooled so many people into KNOWING.
pah
PAH
He was on Xena.
PAH

Whenever I wonder what is wrong with the world and I need some place to turn to for answers, I go on the internet and Google SOAD lyrics and post on a goth forum.
lawl

[RedSkunk]

I wouldn't call them deep. They obviously have some meaning, but.. It's not something to mull over.

[specimen56]

Deep, maybe.
They construct their lyrics in a way that if there is a meaningfull message it gets jumbled up in itself and twisted around the actual words.
They do have some obviously poiniant songs, for example; prison, BYOB, Boom, science, etc. As well as some I'm not too sure about; deer dance, X, Mr. Jack (I'm not sure if they're making some kind of social commentary their), Arials, Lost in Hollywood,. And then theres songs like Cigaro, Spiders, Bounce, Sugar...
You just have to take them song by song really...

[Kommisar-Kowl]

System of a Down is an anti-american rock band, that hates America even though they live thier.

[MoralLibertarian]

They are crazy. But awesome.

[LookingTwiceKills]

At 10/30/05 09:36 AM, Evil_Alex37 wrote: System of a Down is an anti-american rock band, that hates America even though they live thier.

No, they are Anti-War and Anti-Bush and Anti-Genocide. But, Pro-Drugs!
So it's all good.

[Nitroglys]

If your just figuring out that SOAD's lyrics are deep and political then you have been living under a rock.

[Reverend-Kyle]

It all depends on what you mean by deep. I'm not sure exactly what it means, but I would suggest being deep would give insights into... the overall human condition? Maybe that is what they're doing--but which songs don't have some emotional and human backdrop? Is that what it takes to be deep? Or is using metaphors 'deep'? :O

At 10/30/05 09:36 AM, Evil_Alex37 wrote: System of a Down is an anti-american rock band, that hates America even though they live thier.

No, you're full of shit. You've been brainwashed into thinking that whatever the government says is right; the opposite of this idea is what America as a state grew out of. You're anti-American.

[Kommisar-Kowl]

At 10/30/05 10:03 AM, LookingTwiceKills wrote:

At 10/30/05 09:36 AM, Evil_Alex37 wrote: System of a Down is an anti-american rock band, that hates America even though they live thier.

No, they are Anti-War and Anti-Bush and Anti-Genocide. But, Pro-Drugs!
So it's all good.

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Really????

[Me-Patch]

All bands should leave politics at the fucking door, wether it's in their actions or their lyrics. In fact all celebrities should leave their political ideology at the fucking door. Our society has gotten some backwards notion that celebrities opinions should matter in anything when they obviously shouldn't. I think Team America said it best "It is our duty as celebrities to read the newspaper and then repeat what wev'e read as our own opinions."

[RedSkunk]

Why aren't celebrities allowed to voice their opinions?

[SEXY-FETUS]

Anything too stupid to be said is sung.

Voltaire

[Me-Patch]

At 10/30/05 01:39 PM, R3DSK4NK wrote: Why aren't celebrities allowed to voice their opinions?

I didn't say they weren't allowed, I said they shouldn't. I don't think someone with a pretty face and half of a highschool education should be a contributing force to a politicians constituancy, lots of stupid people take alot of stupid advice from stupid celebrities.

Why are you voting democrat today sir," cause Kanye told me too dawg. "

[RedSkunk]

At 10/30/05 02:16 PM, The_Tank wrote: I didn't say they weren't allowed, I said they shouldn't. I don't think someone with a pretty face and half of a highschool education should be a contributing force to a politicians constituancy, lots of stupid people take alot of stupid advice from stupid celebrities.

Stupid generalizations don't make for very good arguments. For every celebrity who hasn't finished HS, I'll show you five that have a college degree.

[Me-Patch]

At 10/30/05 02:39 PM, R3DSK4NK wrote: Stupid generalizations don't make for very good arguments. For every celebrity who hasn't finished HS, I'll show you five that have a college degree.

And for every celebrity that has a college degree I'll show you a person with their own political agenda who's celebrity status does not grant them any reason to be considered a politicaly enlightend mind. Theres a reason theyr'e in movies and not the news, they are actors not political commentors.
Having a college degree doesn't make you more qualified than any of the other millions of people with college degrees, regardless of celebrity status.

[Reverend-Kyle]

At 10/30/05 02:48 PM, The_Tank wrote:

At 10/30/05 02:39 PM, R3DSK4NK wrote: Stupid generalizations don't make for very good arguments. For every celebrity who hasn't finished HS, I'll show you five that have a college degree.

And for every celebrity that has a college degree I'll show you a person with their own political agenda who's celebrity status does not grant them any reason to be considered a politicaly enlightend mind. Theres a reason theyr'e in movies and not the news, they are actors not political commentors.
Having a college degree doesn't make you more qualified than any of the other millions of people with college degrees, regardless of celebrity status.

Of course it doesn't, so what's the problem here? Do you think because someone is an actor they can't/won't/don't read and are unable to form their own opinions?

It seems like you're saying that their opinions shouldn't be worth anymore than anyone else's, which I agree with; however, you also seem to be saying their opinions are worth less than everyone else's... and this is because they're in movies? Isn't this a job like any other?

It's our fault for letting them become actors, you know. We gave them money and encouraged them to continue.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/30/05 02:48 PM, The_Tank wrote: And for every celebrity that has a college degree I'll show you a person with their own political agenda who's celebrity status does not grant them any reason to be considered a politicaly enlightend mind. Theres a reason theyr'e in movies and not the news, they are actors not political commentors.
Having a college degree doesn't make you more qualified than any of the other millions of people with college degrees, regardless of celebrity status.

Nobody considers celebrity status a prerequisite for having a politically enlightened mind, except perhaps you. The two are entirely seperate from each other. Everyone grasps this point. My mention of college degrees was in response to your inane post about not graduating high school.

[Me-Patch]

I'm trying to state that when a celebrity comes out and voices theyr'e opinion on a political issue they sway many of their fans to take their side for no reason other than bandwagon hopping. I would prefer to see celebrities just act and leave their politics off of the Camera. It makes perfect sense to me but you people have too much of an inferiority complex to do more than fuck with me.

[DamienK]

At 10/30/05 03:22 AM, Newgrundling wrote: Are System of a Down's lyrics actually symbolic of something meaningful, or just intentionally cryptic

There are 3 different kind's of SOAD lyrics

Easy to decipher politcal metaphors: BYOB, Toxicicity, Boom (that's the name right?), and Bounce (not political but still easily deciphered), Old School Hollywood, Prison Song

Meaningful cryptic metaphors: Psycho, Forest ,Aerials, Question, Revenga, Sad Statue, ATWA

Cryptic and possibly meaningless metaphors: Jet Pilot, This Cocaine Makes Me Feel
Like I'm On This Song, Cigaro

So if someone says SOAD songs are deep, they're partially right because they do have deep songs. If someone says SOAD songs are random and pointless, they're partially right because they do have songs like that too. I don't care what you say, Jet Pilot is an undecipherable metaphor. People need to have some perspective on all of their songs, not just "that one song you've heard part of on the radio".

[RedSkunk]

At 10/30/05 03:04 PM, The_Tank wrote: I'm trying to state that when a celebrity comes out and voices theyr'e opinion on a political issue they sway many of their fans to take their side for no reason other than bandwagon hopping.

So you're blaming celebrities for other peoples' stupidity? Oh, that makes so much more sense.

[Me-Patch]

At 10/30/05 05:08 PM, R3DSK4NK wrote:

At 10/30/05 03:04 PM, The_Tank wrote: I'm trying to state that when a celebrity comes out and voices theyr'e opinion on a political issue they sway many of their fans to take their side for no reason other than bandwagon hopping.

So you're blaming celebrities for other peoples' stupidity? Oh, that makes so much more sense.

If you don't like my opinion thats fine, I'm entitled to it. I'm just tired of celebrities being used to sway people politicaly, for the most part young people or minority groups. Your not giving me a decent reply just picking at my argument.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/30/05 05:12 PM, The_Tank wrote: If you don't like my opinion thats fine, I'm entitled to it. I'm just tired of celebrities being used to sway people politicaly, for the most part young people or minority groups. Your not giving me a decent reply just picking at my argument.

It's because your argument doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Now you're saying that celebrities are "being used". I think they are perfectly able to form their own opinions, and are entitled to speak their minds. If this means they're "being used", then I guess we all are whenever we open our traps. I'm not the one being close-minded here, you are.

[Me-Patch]

Whats so hard to grasp about this, Kanye west's opinions carry more weight then Dyanne Sawyers. Dyanne Sawyer has spent her life studying and being active in politics, Kanye West has spen his life smoking weed and rapping. When Kanye West says something political it can sway many many more people than Dyanne Swayer be it an ignorant or incredibly biased statement. I don't like it. It's that simple

And yes politicians use musicians to rally votes, Kerry had a huge support concert with U2 and a lot of other crappy bands. And yes I am blaming celebrities for swaying their stupid fans twords their political ideology, because obviously thats what they were trying to do in the first place.

And yes celebrities are entitled to their opinions, I just wish they would leave politics off camera.

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[RedSkunk]

At 10/30/05 05:28 PM, The_Tank wrote: Whats so hard to grasp about this, Kanye west's opinions carry more weight then Dyanne Sawyers. Dyanne Sawyer has spent her life studying and being active in politics, Kanye West has spen his life smoking weed and rapping. When Kanye West says something political it can sway many many more people than Dyanne Swayer be it an ignorant or incredibly biased statement. I don't like it. It's that simple

What are you talking about! Name a single person who's politics have been changed because of Kanye West.

And yes politicians use musicians to rally votes, Kerry had a huge support concert with U2 and a lot of other crappy bands. And yes I am blaming celebrities for swaying their stupid fans twords their political ideology, because obviously thats what they were trying to do in the first place.

U2 wasn't being "used" as you so eloquently put it. "Using" is what you do to a twenty dollar whore. Bono supported Kerry in the election. He put that support into effect instead of just sitting around moaning and bitching. You're attacking people because they are politically active in the US today! It's fucking insane!

Did I miss anything

Only a single coherent thought.