Mumia

[sosjulian]

Who here thinks mumia should be freed?

[RedSkunk]

Sure, why not.

[Me-Patch]

At 10/29/05 12:51 PM, red_skunk wrote: Sure, why not.

He killed a cop, a cop form my city who Iv'e met. Dan Faulkner, he was my neighbors friend. He admitted to killing said cop while in the hospital. "Yeah I shot that nigga and I hope he's dead too." Fuck Mumia, and Radio Head, I hope they speed up his execution.

[DamienK]

At 10/29/05 12:45 PM, sosjulian wrote: Who here thinks mumia should be freed?

Yeah, who?

......no one...........

Free Hat, Free Hat, he killed those babies in self defense!

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 01:04 PM, The_Tank wrote: He killed a cop, a cop form my city who Iv'e met. Dan Faulkner, he was my neighbors friend. He admitted to killing said cop while in the hospital. "Yeah I shot that nigga and I hope he's dead too." Fuck Mumia, and Radio Head, I hope they speed up his execution.

The trial was hardly fair, there is no conclusive evidence (ie. the bullet was a different caliber than the gun found on Mumia), eye witnesses saw someone else fleeing the scene, the judge was a former police officer (who has sentenced more men to die than any other judge in the country), his public attorney was incompetent, the DA was later reprimanded for withholding evidence. Oh, and Mumia denies killing him, and there is another man who has confessed to the shooting.

It's not so black and white. A new trial could be held.

[Me-Patch]

At 10/29/05 01:20 PM, red_skunk wrote: It's not so black and white. A new trial could be held.

Well then they should continue to hold him in prison, awaiting his death sentence until enough hard concrete proof to either free him or convict someone else is presented.

And I'm not ready to count out his hospital confession, he did say that infront of witnessess.

[sosjulian]

Well, someone should definetly do something. He's been on death row for 23 years now.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 02:59 PM, sosjulian wrote: Well, someone should definetly do something. He's been on death row for 23 years now.

Yeah, stick a needle in the murdering bastard. From what I've heard of the case he's as guilty as hell and the majority of these people who want him released probably think it's good that a cop's been killed.

[Tri-Nitro-Toluene]

At 10/29/05 01:24 PM, The_Tank wrote: Well then they should continue to hold him in prison, awaiting his death sentence until enough hard concrete proof to either free him or convict someone else is presented.

If there wasn't any concrete evidence to convict him in the firts palce then he shouldn't have been found guilty.

The job of the proescution is to prove beyond REASONABLE DOUBT that the man on tiral is guilty. There is doubt in the case such as a bullet not matching a gun etc, then he shoudn't have been found guilty in the first place.

[Buddhist]

Nah.

Founded the Philly chapter of the Black Panthers at 15, that was the first bad sign.

If you feel like reading the basic way the event went down, keep scrolling.

It happened more-or-less like this:

In the early hours of December 9, 1981, Mumia parks his taxicab in a parking lot at the corner of 13th and Locust. He starts filling out his log sheet. Soon thereafter, a Philadelphia police cruiser pulls over a blue Volkswagen beetle directly across the street.

After a while, Mumia looks back and checks out the traffic stop. He immediately notices two things: one, the police officer is now grappling with the vehicle's driver; and two, that driver is Mumia's brother Billy Cook.

Struggling to subdue Billy, the officer resorts to banging on his skull with a 17" metal flashlight. Perhaps Mumia sees this, perhaps not. In any event, he gets out of his cab and crosses the street.

A moment or two later, more Philadelphia PD units arrive on scene. Fellow officer Daniel Faulkner, badge #4699, is lying dead on the sidewalk. There's a .38 caliber bullet in his back and another lodged in his brain. Both were fired at close range.

Billy Cook's face and neck are bloody from the flashlight.

Mumia is slouched over the curb with a bullet from Faulkner's service revolver stuck in his abdomen. Mumia's shoulder holster dangles empty under his arm.

A .38 pistol is lying on the ground a few feet away, all its ammo spent. The handgun indisputably belongs to Mumia. He bought it in 1979 and it was registered in his name. Later at trial, the shopkeeper who sold him the gun will produce a receipt bearing the gun's serial number and Jamal's signature.

What we have is this: a dead cop shot dead with Mumia's gun. Mumia shot with the cop's gun. A selection of witnesses willing to testify for the prosecution. It's all pretty straightforward.

Today Mumia wants a new trial, and he probably deserves one. Not because he's innocent of the charges, but because his original trial was pretty well rigged.

For starters, the cops committed perjury. Big time. They concocted a story about Jamal having confessed at Jefferson Hospital, wherein he was supposed to have shouted -- twice -- in the presence of hospital security and police officers: "I shot him! I hope the motherfucker dies!" But none of the 14 officers who were present in the emergency room made any mention of this confession until more than two months after the fact. Quite the contrary, in fact. One contemporaneous report (written by one of the officers): "we stayed with the male at Jefferson until we were relieved. During this time, the Negro male made no comments."

Not helping matters was Jamal's repeated insistence that he be allowed to represent himself, or have a controversial Philadelphia activist named John Africa as a replacement for his court-appointed defense counsel.

Mumia's defense attorney had to attack the gun evidence. It was just too strong to ignore. So he capitalized on a note made by the medical examiner which referred to Faulkner's wounds as having been created by a .44 caliber bullet. It is not possible for this kind of ammunition to fit in Jamal's gun. But the coroner explains that this was only a preliminary guess and had been corrected in the final draft of his report.

The annoying thing is that undoubtedly there are genuinely innocent people on death row. Mumia Abu-Jamal is simply not one of them.

[Empanado]

From what I've read about the case, and it's not much, he should get a long sentence, like, 30 years to life, but not death penalty.
I mean, and once again this is just what I've read so far, seems like he shot Faulkner because he found the cop beating the shit out of his brother with a flashlight.
That certainly doesn't justify what he did, but it's not like it was a random, unprovoked, senseless murder.

He's guilty alright, and he sounds like an asshole, but death penalty?
Just not quite so.

[Empanado]

At 10/29/05 03:43 PM, -Buddhist- wrote: It happened more-or-less like this:

Rotten Library.

Don't forget posting your sources.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 03:49 PM, Empanado wrote: I mean, and once again this is just what I've read so far, seems like he shot Faulkner because he found the cop beating the shit out of his brother with a flashlight.
That certainly doesn't justify what he did, but it's not like it was a random, unprovoked, senseless murder.

No, he claims he saw the cop beating his brother. I don't see why somebody like him should ever be believed. Besides, his brother was later sent to prison for assaulting Faulkner, so it seems more like Mumia wanted to help his brother escape the police.

Only a long-overdue execution will suffice for a piece of scum like him.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 04:21 PM, Loch_Ness_Monster wrote: Only a long-overdue execution will suffice for a piece of scum like him.

The death sentence on Mumia has already been overturned. You're a little behind the times.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 04:52 PM, red_skunk wrote: The death sentence on Mumia has already been overturned. You're a little behind the times.

Damn that's a shame. Still, lets hope that he frequently takes it up the ass in jail and ends up staying there until he dies.

[sosjulian]

At 10/29/05 04:21 PM, Loch_Ness_Monster wrote:

No, he claims he saw the cop beating his brother. I don't see why somebody like him should ever be believed.

At 10/29/05 03:26 PM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote:

The job of the proescution is to prove beyond REASONABLE DOUBT that the man on tiral is guilty.

I rest my case...

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 05:01 PM, Loch_Ness_Monster wrote: Damn that's a shame. Still, lets hope that he frequently takes it up the ass in jail and ends up staying there until he dies.

It's sort of disheartening that you're that sad and bitter at 14. You must have a hard life.

[sosjulian]

At 10/29/05 05:05 PM, red_skunk wrote: It's sort of disheartening that you're that sad and bitter at 14. You must have a hard life.

He was raped by a chicken .

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 05:07 PM, sosjulian wrote: He was raped by a chicken .

Point taken.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 05:05 PM, red_skunk wrote: It's sort of disheartening that you're that sad and bitter at 14. You must have a hard life.

As opposed to just jumping on the bandwagon and thinking "OMG hes so cool hes such an outlaw!!!!!111"? And I'm not bitter about anything, I just think murdering pieces of scum like him need to die. Also my dad's a cop, so if you want to dissect my psyche to see why I believe in justice, then that's the reason.

[sosjulian]

so far, you're impresioned greatly by your parents, and you have no real evidence for your decision. great job.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 06:00 PM, Loch_Ness_Monster wrote: As opposed to just jumping on the bandwagon and thinking "OMG hes so cool hes such an outlaw!!!!!111"? And I'm not bitter about anything, I just think murdering pieces of scum like him need to die.

Actually, you wrote something about hoping that he'll in prison and be anally raped for the rest of his life. I'd say a psychic evaluation is in order.

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 06:02 PM, red_skunk wrote: Actually, you wrote something about hoping that he'll in prison and be anally raped for the rest of his life. I'd say a psychic evaluation is in order.

I got a bit carried away, no need to make a mountain out of a molehill. But I just think that he deserves to be punished.

[sosjulian]

At 10/29/05 06:07 PM, Loch_Ness_Monster wrote: I just think that he deserves to be punished.

Do you have a good reason?

[Loch-Ness-Monster]

At 10/29/05 06:08 PM, sosjulian wrote: Do you have a good reason?

The fact that he murdered a cop might have something to do with it.

[DMXRoid]

At 10/29/05 12:45 PM, sosjulian wrote: Who here thinks mumia should be freed?

Mumia is a repeatedly convicted cop killer who should get the chair immediately. No questions, no discussion. There were witnesses, reliable ones at that, and a cop is dead. Chair. Now. No more "ohh, poor oppressed little black man". Just kill him and get it over with so the family of Daniel Faulkner can get some fucking peace.

[Buddhist]

At 10/29/05 03:51 PM, Empanado wrote:

At 10/29/05 03:43 PM, -Buddhist- wrote: It happened more-or-less like this:

Rotten Library.

Don't forget posting your sources.

Sorry about that, having an off day to say the least.

:\

[RedSkunk]

At 10/29/05 06:24 PM, DMXRoid wrote:

Actually, there seemed to be enough questions and discussion about it to have his death penalty overturned, in 2001.

[RedSkunk]

Sorry, incorrect word usage, want to clear up: "commuted" to life in prison.

[DMXRoid]

At 10/29/05 07:19 PM, red_skunk wrote: Sorry, incorrect word usage, want to clear up: "commuted" to life in prison.

If by "enough questions", you mean "Enough political pressure from absurd Leftists who want to see a cop killer go free simply because he decided to become a standard-bearer for the anti-American, racist Left", then you're 100% correct. The actual case against Mumia is cut and dry.