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America And Facism
(Should be in the policical forum; however, I wanted more people to see it.)
Well it looks like it's upon us. With civil liberties fading and a heavy handed gov't emerging it looks as though history is repeating itself. When you think about it America's Patriot Act and Homeland Security act remind us of Nazi Germany's enabling act. We have given up our personal freedoms to protect ourselves from terrorists. Well if we continue down the path we are, the terrorists will have already won. Along with the "bill of rights crushing" Patriot Act the Homeland security act that just passed America is in trouble. This is what the people America elected signed America up for:
Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend — all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database."
Well isn't that grand? Along with the Patriot Act:
It breaks the political backs of the judiciary and legislative branches of government.
It allows random arrests and detention without hearings or trials for anyone or any group designated by the President. Retroactive Prosecution, too!
It allows the concealment of Presidential records.
It permits secret "Military Tribunals" for presidentially-designated "terrorists".
It legalizes "sneak-n-peek" searches and seizures.
It allows the unlawful infiltration and surveillance of legal, domestic religious, labor and political organizations.
It allows the wholesale surveillance of private citizens, private business records and other materials without proof of probable cause.
It destroys all e-mail and internet privacy...
That leaves America somewhere between hypocritical and fucked. What have we become? We have let our fear of terrorism ruin all that America stood for, all that made America great, all that made America LEADER of the FREE world.
In fact my comments right now could be labled Anti-American, I could be deamed a terrorist, I could be held in jail for any amount of time without reason, and I could be tried in a military tribunial at any moment.
What in the hell does that remind you of?
You know Hitler was elected democraticly, he passed and enabling act and promised to rid Germany of the Communist threat. How did he pass the enabling act? Well when the Reichstag was burnt down the communists were the scpae goats, and there was ample support to rid Germany of them.
So I ask you to do 3 things, replace Reichstag with WTC, replace communists with terrorists, and replace the Enabling Act with The Patriot Act and now Home Land Security Act. What do you get? History repeating itsesf perhaps?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying America is Nazi Germany. However, you have to see the comparison.
When the gov't is spying on you. When your neighbours are spying on you. When you live in fear of being labled a terrorist. When your society is highly capitalistic, militaristic, nationalistic. When the gov't has unbelievble power to silence anyone they wish(not that they have yet). When people all willing to sacrifice freedom for "security." When freedom starts to slip away. When The State is greater then the individual .............. well?
FASCIM, DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. SPEAK WHILE YOU CAN, SPEAK BEFORE YOUR SILENCED.
-MarijuanaClock, Canadian(Lets face it if America turns fascist Canadas going down first.)
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At 11/25/02 03:45 AM, BigDPCTech wrote: interesting to scan through
Well then I guess that message beats people threatening to kill me.
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At 11/25/02 03:42 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: America And Facism
(Should be in the policical forum; however, I wanted more people to see it.)
Well it looks like it's upon us. With civil liberties fading and a heavy handed gov't emerging it looks as though history is repeating itself. When you think about it America's Patriot Act and Homeland Security act remind us of Nazi Germany's enabling act. We have given up our personal freedoms to protect ourselves from terrorists. Well if we continue down the path we are, the terrorists will have already won. Along with the "bill of rights crushing" Patriot Act the Homeland security act that just passed America is in trouble. This is what the people America elected signed America up for:
Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend — all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database."
Well isn't that grand? Along with the Patriot Act:
It breaks the political backs of the judiciary and legislative branches of government.
It allows random arrests and detention without hearings or trials for anyone or any group designated by the President. Retroactive Prosecution, too!
It allows the concealment of Presidential records.
It permits secret "Military Tribunals" for presidentially-designated "terrorists".
It legalizes "sneak-n-peek" searches and seizures.
It allows the unlawful infiltration and surveillance of legal, domestic religious, labor and political organizations.
It allows the wholesale surveillance of private citizens, private business records and other materials without proof of probable cause.
It destroys all e-mail and internet privacy...
That leaves America somewhere between hypocritical and fucked. What have we become? We have let our fear of terrorism ruin all that America stood for, all that made America great, all that made America LEADER of the FREE world.
In fact my comments right now could be labled Anti-American, I could be deamed a terrorist, I could be held in jail for any amount of time without reason, and I could be tried in a military tribunial at any moment.
What in the hell does that remind you of?
You know Hitler was elected democraticly, he passed and enabling act and promised to rid Germany of the Communist threat. How did he pass the enabling act? Well when the Reichstag was burnt down the communists were the scpae goats, and there was ample support to rid Germany of them.
So I ask you to do 3 things, replace Reichstag with WTC, replace communists with terrorists, and replace the Enabling Act with The Patriot Act and now Home Land Security Act. What do you get? History repeating itsesf perhaps?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying America is Nazi Germany. However, you have to see the comparison.
When the gov't is spying on you. When your neighbours are spying on you. When you live in fear of being labled a terrorist. When your society is highly capitalistic, militaristic, nationalistic. When the gov't has unbelievble power to silence anyone they wish(not that they have yet). When people all willing to sacrifice freedom for "security." When freedom starts to slip away. When The State is greater then the individual .............. well?
FASCIM, DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. SPEAK WHILE YOU CAN, SPEAK BEFORE YOUR SILENCED.
-MarijuanaClock, Canadian(Lets face it if America turns fascist Canadas going down first.)
JESUS, YOUR PARANOID AND YOU NEED MEDICAL HELP
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At 11/25/02 03:48 AM, RockAeroZero wrote:
JESUS, YOUR PARANOID AND YOU NEED MEDICAL HELP
Go salute your furhrer sheep.
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At 11/25/02 03:54 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote:At 11/25/02 03:48 AM, RockAeroZero wrote:Go salute your furhrer sheep.
JESUS, YOUR PARANOID AND YOU NEED MEDICAL HELP
Im sorry just shut up, its not turning into nazi germany YOU ARE JUST COMPLETLEY PARANIOD, ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD.....YOU CAN STOP RANTING
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I agree with everything you said. I've always seen the Homeland security act in the same manner.
It also pisses me off that people would see you or I as anti-American just because we don't agree with the government. If the British colonies didn't rebel, there'd be no America in the first place. New ideas and simply not conforming with government rule shaped America then, and it should still be that way now.
"Anyone who sacrifices a liberty for protection deserves neither liberty nor protection" - Ben Franklin
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I don't really care for the clock crew (then again I don't hate them either) but you should keep the name, keep the aura (neutral rules), and keep on posting! Forget the stupid threats, it's probably some 12 year old who's been grounded for 2 weeks. Later.
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At 11/25/02 04:01 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I agree with everything you said. I've always seen the Homeland security act in the same manner.
It also pisses me off that people would see you or I as anti-American just because we don't agree with the government. If the British colonies didn't rebel, there'd be no America in the first place. New ideas and simply not conforming with government rule shaped America then, and it should still be that way now.
"Anyone who sacrifices a liberty for protection deserves neither liberty nor protection" - Ben Franklin
Well I'm sure people like us will be silenced soon enough, there arn't enough individuals left in America to stop it.
So I look at it this way, do I want to die fighting or fleeing?
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At 11/25/02 04:05 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote:At 11/25/02 04:01 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I agree with everything you said. I've always seen the Homeland security act in the same manner.Well I'm sure people like us will be silenced soon enough, there arn't enough individuals left in America to stop it.
It also pisses me off that people would see you or I as anti-American just because we don't agree with the government. If the British colonies didn't rebel, there'd be no America in the first place. New ideas and simply not conforming with government rule shaped America then, and it should still be that way now.
"Anyone who sacrifices a liberty for protection deserves neither liberty nor protection" - Ben Franklin
So I look at it this way, do I want to die fighting or fleeing?
hmmm you are insane
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RockAero... Marijuana clock had some good points, I don't know how you can deny it. If you can counter his thoughts, that'd be one thing, but you are just calling him sick in the head.
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At 11/25/02 04:17 AM, VasIndustries wrote: RockAero... Marijuana clock had some good points, I don't know how you can deny it. If you can counter his thoughts, that'd be one thing, but you are just calling him sick in the head.
Oh he makes some points but he also distorts reality and becomes paranoid about the government
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I am sick of reading this type of shit wherever it is that I go.
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Paranoid? Maybe...but look at it this way: a bunch of patriots get together to fight against an oppressive government. They are labelled as....terrorists. 1776 all over again. Of course, now the media would paint them as nuts. You believe everything you read in the newspapers, don't you? I mean, they would have no reason to lie, right? Of course if you trace the ownership of the newspapers....nah, we're just paranoid...lol
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California Uber Alles, California Uber alles!!! dunt dunt dunt dunt...
Couldn't help myself, I too noticed these comparisons a wee while ago, whilst discussing the past years events espeacially the Reichstag comment, I don't see it going as far as concentration camps and certain minorities becoming excluded from the states but I do see some liberties dissapearing as you said the "grand database," similar to the already echelone that moniters most e-mails to and out of the US. But there is no knowing how far precautions for terroism will go it a neverending excuse to grasp more power and start more wars.
Well if you ask me George dubyah munky bush just just wants a war like his daddy.
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I'm Canadian (and proud of it), but I completely agree with your statement about the primate.
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He does has some good points....Bush would like to have much more power than he does. For one thing, although war with Iraq may in the end be neccesary, Bush is waaaaaay too enthusiastic about going to war. I wonder how he would feel if he wasn't born with that silver spoon and it was his ass out on the front line. Bush and the Republican party in general have used the WTC just like the Nazi party used the Reichstag (sp). It's mainly for political gain which they have done very well but it's also somewhat scary. The Patriot Act is ridiculous..a lot of that is Ashcroft's (read: paraniod idiot) doing. One thing that all this could possibly lead to is legislation like copy protection on CDs, ect. which truly is Nazish.
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At 11/25/02 03:42 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote:
:blah blah blah blah
Yep.
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At 11/25/02 07:12 AM, Recon_Rebel wrote: I'm Canadian (and proud of it), but I completely agree with your statement about the primate.
haha
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At 11/25/02 03:42 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: America And Facism
(Should be in the policical forum; however, I wanted more people to see it.)
Well it looks like it's upon us. With civil liberties fading and a heavy handed gov't emerging it looks as though history is repeating itself. When you think about it America's Patriot Act and Homeland Security act remind us of Nazi Germany's enabling act. We have given up our personal freedoms to protect ourselves from terrorists. Well if we continue down the path we are, the terrorists will have already won. Along with the "bill of rights crushing" Patriot Act the Homeland security act that just passed America is in trouble. This is what the people America elected signed America up for:
Every purchase you make with a credit card, every magazine subscription you buy and medical prescription you fill, every Web site you visit and e-mail you send or receive, every academic grade you receive, every bank deposit you make, every trip you book and every event you attend — all these transactions and communications will go into what the Defense Department describes as "a virtual, centralized grand database."
Well isn't that grand? Along with the Patriot Act:
It breaks the political backs of the judiciary and legislative branches of government.
It allows random arrests and detention without hearings or trials for anyone or any group designated by the President. Retroactive Prosecution, too!
It allows the concealment of Presidential records.
It permits secret "Military Tribunals" for presidentially-designated "terrorists".
It legalizes "sneak-n-peek" searches and seizures.
It allows the unlawful infiltration and surveillance of legal, domestic religious, labor and political organizations.
It allows the wholesale surveillance of private citizens, private business records and other materials without proof of probable cause.
It destroys all e-mail and internet privacy...
That leaves America somewhere between hypocritical and fucked. What have we become? We have let our fear of terrorism ruin all that America stood for, all that made America great, all that made America LEADER of the FREE world.
In fact my comments right now could be labled Anti-American, I could be deamed a terrorist, I could be held in jail for any amount of time without reason, and I could be tried in a military tribunial at any moment.
What in the hell does that remind you of?
You know Hitler was elected democraticly, he passed and enabling act and promised to rid Germany of the Communist threat. How did he pass the enabling act? Well when the Reichstag was burnt down the communists were the scpae goats, and there was ample support to rid Germany of them.
So I ask you to do 3 things, replace Reichstag with WTC, replace communists with terrorists, and replace the Enabling Act with The Patriot Act and now Home Land Security Act. What do you get? History repeating itsesf perhaps?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying America is Nazi Germany. However, you have to see the comparison.
When the gov't is spying on you. When your neighbours are spying on you. When you live in fear of being labled a terrorist. When your society is highly capitalistic, militaristic, nationalistic. When the gov't has unbelievble power to silence anyone they wish(not that they have yet). When people all willing to sacrifice freedom for "security." When freedom starts to slip away. When The State is greater then the individual .............. well?
FASCIM, DON'T LET IT HAPPEN. SPEAK WHILE YOU CAN, SPEAK BEFORE YOUR SILENCED.
-MarijuanaClock, Canadian(Lets face it if America turns fascist Canadas going down first.)
I wouldn't make such an extreme comparison, but this issue certainly is alarming. Too bad I can't vote yet.
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At 11/25/02 02:39 PM, TheNewAuk wrote:
I wouldn't make such an extreme comparison, but this issue certainly is alarming. Too bad I can't vote yet.
Well yah, still.
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don't worry. president bush's master race is the clock crew so you'll be fine marijuana.
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didn't the nazi party diliberatly set the Reichstag on fire only to blame the mentally handicaped communists and further the nazification of german?
I don't think bush would go as far as to take down the WTC to limit society and wage war
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i think Bush is like Hitler in some ways i mean he doesnt go arround killing every 1 he thinks isent worthy living but he and the whole government is himnotizing us to beleave that every single person who doesnt think the same way we are, are just plain ol'bad, and in my oppinion he cares more about war then his own pple
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At 11/25/02 03:53 PM, Morextremist wrote: didn't the nazi party diliberatly set the Reichstag on fire only to blame the mentally handicaped communists and further the nazification of german?
I don't think bush would go as far as to take down the WTC to limit society and wage war
Yes the Nazis' allegedly set the Reichstag on Fire, but then again Press. Bush allegedly had prior knowledge to the attacks ...... and did nothing.
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I've been saying this very thing, yet no-one listens to ol' Mao! No siree!
If you care to get some fact that goes hand-in-hand with what my good Comrade MarijuanaClock is saying here, read this:
General Observations Of American Conditioning and Its Elitist Sources
Anthony Moss
I.
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not 'enlightened' enough to exercise their control with a wholseome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion" Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to William Charles Jarvis (September 28th, 1820)
"Since I entered politics, I chiefly had men's views confided in me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States (U.S.), in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere that is so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath whem they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913).
[Insert 'General Observations Concerning The 'New World Order', I. Based on an article by Stephen Marshall, Guerilla News, August 2002]
II.
It is generally commonplace for so-called "conspiracy theorists" to associate the evils of elitism, as well as those encouraging the perpetuation of it, with a single buzzword: 'The New World Order'. Through this Order, a one-world government, though one might care to add that it would cultivate through fascist principles, will have been implemented at the hands of the 'global elite'.
"Out of these troubled times...A New World Order can emerge, in which the Nations of the World, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony...A New World is struggling to be born." President George Bush, Senior, Toward A New World Order (September 11th, 1990.)
It must truly be the oldest conspiracy more familiar to the masses: Unprovoked, pre-emptive "tactical" strike on United States soil. A widely-popular public encouragement of a concentrated attack on the terrorist outfit responsible takes place, as well as the persecution of those individuals who are suspected of supporting them by other means, such as funding for example. The alotted budgets of U.S. military contactors increase greatly, as well as the budgets of all federal intelligence agencies. Fear and strong feelings of paranoia arise in the American citizenry. Hastily, enactments if legislation are made which supposedly ensures the protection of the people, but ultimately limits civil liberties in the "World's freest society". A prolonged global conflict ensues.
Then comes the ushering in of a New World Order.
When former-President George Bush, Senior, spoke those words above before Congress, twelve years prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center buildings, he seemed to present a firm, revolutionary vision, strongly supported by a potent United Nations and the values set forth in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. But no matter how this undeniably threatening terminology, this New World Order, is interpreted and appropriated, the fact still remains that we currently stand closer than ever to "acheiving" a lateral alignment of a global coalition of nations.
Alas, it has been acheived through the utter terror and tragic loss that the United States of America experienced on that fateful day of September 11th, 2001.
When Bush Sr. went to the mainstream public with the idea of a New World Order, he did not relent in persisting to engrave the term into the collective unconscious of the American people. In January 1991, he proclaimed in his State of Union address: "...it is a big idea- a New World Order, where diverse nations are drawn together in a common cause to acheive the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a World worthy of our struggle, and worthy of our childrens' futures."
People may have been convinced that Bush was the fabricator of this New, globo-political paradigm. But truthfully, the core stratagem of Bush's vision was delved into by H.G. Wells in what he called to be the "Open Conspiracy", meaning that Bush was only the most modern, public advocate of the 'New World Order'. In his classic book "The Open Conspiracy: Blueprints for a World Revolution" (1928), Wells, a known socialist and one of the most-famed futurists of his era, seemed confident enough in the historical validity of the conspiracy to investigate and describe what it involved.
"The political World of the Open Conspiracy must weaken, efface, incorporate, supersede existing governments."
Although inaccuracies in his predictions were later to be found, of course, Wells was distinctly aware of certain very influential and powerful groups congregating around the fundamental vision of what would later become the 'New World Order'. Those organizations which are the most significant in futher suggesting that there is truth to a one-world conspiracy are the Coucil of Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission (TC), two very influential organizations consisting of representatives from the European Union, the United States and Japan, which share similar goals.
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"[The CFR goal is] the submergence of United States sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government...this lust to surrender the sovereignty and independence of the United States is pervasive throughout most of the membership." Admiral Chester Ward, USN, 20-year veteran of the CFR (1975).
"Today, the CFR remains active in working toward its final goal of a government all over the world- a government which the insders (elites) and their allies will control. The goal of the CFR is simply to abolish the United States with its Constitutional guarantees of liberty. And they don't even try to hide it. Study Number Seven published by the CFR on November 25th, 1959 openly advocates "building a new international order". Gary Allen (1971).
We need look only to one of the earlier issues of the CFR's magazine, "Foreign Affairs" to discover some visible tendrils of this plan, to which some ascribe the fault to the most recent attacks on the United States. "Obviously there is going to be no peace or prosperity for as long as [the earth] remains divided into 50 or 60 independent states until some kind of international system is created...The real problem of today is that of the World government." But one still asks how that Black Tuesday could possibly aid in the eventual creation of a one-world government. A closer examination of the Council of Foreign Relations will assist them.
"All countries are basically social arrangements...No matter how permanent or even sacred they may see at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary...Perhaps national sovereignty wasn't such a good idea after all...But it has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible century to clinch the cause for World government." Strobe Talbott, a CFR member, The Birth of the Global Nation, Time Magazine (July 20th, 1992.) Since its founding, the Council of Foreign Relations has only chosen the most "influential" individuals for membership with the organization. The most current members include a great number of World business and political leaders, from Tom Brokaw to Vice-President Dick Cheney. Preident George Bush, Senior was himself a member of the Council of Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, as well. But again, the American public has been conditioned to think only in terms of the present. Everything moves along much too quickly, is unwieldy, and is utterly unpredictable these days. Considering the world conditions today, one would find themselves nearly incapable of projecting more than half of a decade into the future.
This is one of the more basic tenets of the 'New World Order' conspiracy theory.
"What 'history teaches us'- to use a phrase favored by Trilateralists- is that the ruling elites are deadly serious about the seeing that any renovation of the international system is in their interest. They will use a variety of carrot and stick tactics to maintain political and economic control- domestically or internationally. Control techniques will be more vicious or less, depending on a combination of factors involving the state of the economy and, more importantly, the state of popular opposition. The more threatening and persistent the moves to counter their plans and build alternative models, the more violent will be their tactics of repression." Holly Sklar (1980)
As I have mentioned, the Trilateral Commission's aims run parallel to that of the Council of Foreign Relations, including implementing a world monetary system, however the TC is a world panel which is a step up on the hierarchy of elitists. Members include top-names in the corporate and economic worlds, such as Paul Volcker, former head of the Federal Reserve System, Akio Morita, chairman and chief executive officer of the Sony Corporation, Count Otto Lambsdorff, leader of Germany's Free Democratic Party, former foreign policy ultracrats such as Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzeninski, former-President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, and George Shultz. Add a pinch of top executives from Mobil, Exxon, the Chase Manhattan Bank, Toshiba, and Manhattan Bank; toss some U.S. senators in there, like John D. Rockefeller IV, of course, and the TC sums up to be full of lots and lots of gray-haired, white males.
"[The Trilateral Commission is] a vehicle for multinational consolidation of commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States." Barry Goldwater
According to groups such as these, people are rendered unable of realizing their own life goals, so they thusly accept what is created for them, as they simply cannot tangibly envision a realistic and favorable future for themselves. This confusion, as the story so dreadfully goes, is then engineered into an unavoidable fear of impending attacks from an unprovoked, unseeable enemy. Contained by civil paralysis, the people plea for protection, facilitating New laws which deminish civil liberties on the interior, while creating a lateral force of unprecendented, international miltary power when concerning a look outside unto the rest of the world. The theory contends that these events signify the beginning of the end times. Swiftly thereafter will be the final struggle to position the globe under the thumbnail of the "elites", whomever one may call them. One has to only look to the Department of Homeland Security to see how quickly the bureaucracy is being shaped into a single, gargantuan monolith. If one requires further potential evidence as to the current undergoings of the general theses of the theory, he is advised to take a good, serious look at the United States Patriot Act sometime.
"Pivate organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference, the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute, and the Bilderberg Group serve to disseminate and co-ordinate the plans for this so-called 'New World Order' in powerful business, financial, academic, and official circles." Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC), Speech to the Senate (1987.)
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So there you have it folks.
If you want more information (i.e., proof, you can download a free video documentary of the 9-11 conspiracy, called 9-11:The Road To Tyranny at www.infowars.com
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At 11/25/02 02:39 PM, TheNewAuk wrote: I wouldn't make such an extreme comparison, but this issue certainly is alarming. Too bad I can't vote yet.
Well shit, I knew I forgot to register for something.
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At 11/25/02 11:58 PM, Stuporman wrote:
Well shit, I knew I forgot to register for something.
Well doesn't matter really, there were several democrats who voted for these acts too. There all out there to fuck you!


