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A well-presented argument, FUNK, I've had some similar frustrations.

At 10/27/05 10:07 PM, FUNKbrs wrote:

At 10/27/05 09:32 PM, brown_recluse wrote: Well do remember that a blacks, especially slaves were not allowed to seek an education. The fact that FD was half white was probably the only reason he was able to pursue any kind of book-learning without being lynched.

What was stopping the abolitionists from buying a slave his freedom (it was a common practice to free slaves and issue them charters of freedom as proof. Douglass himself used a borrowed charter to move freely) as a young boy, and then educating him themselves? Abolitionism was a movement for as long as there was slavery, you'd think they'd have time to educate one orator in the 400 year period that slavery was widespread.

probably because they didn't feel the need to. abolitionists didn't really start using the experiences of slaves until the mid-near end of slavery. also, the cruelty and downright hatful treatment of slaves didn't start untill around 150/200 years (which is when whites started trying to justify their actions with the belief that blacks were inferior to whites).

the idea that blacks weren't people and that whites were superior was just a justification for something that they knew was moraly repugnant. You should hear some of the bullshit they said about the chinese being mentally inferior during the building of the railroads.

Well said, took the words right out of my head.

To original poster:

Are you suprised that the education system would try to decieve you? I've caught them trying to decieve me for the last five years! They will tell you what fits in to their own little social engineering agenda and seek to destroy you if you present any views that contradict theirs (regardless of the factual basis behind your claims).

Although I'm no white supremisit (although I'm not an anti-white supremisit either), I strongly encourage you to be bold enogh to come to your own conclusions rather than letting someone else spoon-feed them to you.

Napolean once said, "History is nothing but a fable that has been agreed upon."
Anything they don't want you to know, will be left out and eventually be forgotten. Everything else they will spoon feed you and hope you take it without question. It's impossible to tell what has really happened in the past because so much of it has been erased you don't know what the truth of it is.

if your skin is black, your black, you may only be half "african" but your still black. This topic is deeply distrubing, right wing groups like the kkk usually have no good reasons for their debates, and are usually made up of dumb rednecks from the south looking to poke fun at anothers culture, because they dont do stuff his or her way. nuff said

At 10/27/05 08:54 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: You know what they never told me? Frederick Douglass was only half black. The most well spoken "black" man of his age wasn't black. "Douglass never knew anything about the identity of his father, other than that he was a white man, although some believe that his master, Captain Aaron Anthony, was his father. "

Thats strange, because I read his Autobiography in 10th grade, and it clearly states that he was half white, and I think that line you have there is right from the book. And as for the guy who said that he was probably only allowed to get a formal education because he was half white, he educated himself and was a full blown slave with no white privelages. He escaped to become the succecces that he made out of himself.

I like him better as a mixed, it kinda represents the brotherhood wer'e all missing.

FUNK, questioning what you're told doesn't make you a white supremacist.

I might be way out there, so to speak, but the past isn't necessarily true. Yes, certain things happened, but what those events mean are going to be spun to fit what is currently considered 'right'; or what will justify the current situation.

Let's take a look at some Rage Against the Machine lyrics:

Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?
-- from Testify (The Battle of Los Angeles, 1999)

I don't think being black or white or anything is going to make you a better speaker. From what I know, my ancestry comes from Western Europe--but what does that mean when it comes to anything? I might not be discriminated against in the southern United States, I guess.

What about Emma Goldman? She was a good public speaker (so I read), and she was Jewish. What does it mean to be Jewish? Is that a religion or a 'race' or both? Even though I'm some pale guy with Western European ancestry, if I convert to Judaism, am I any less of a Jew because I'm not from the Middle East?

If I became a great Jewish public speaker and advocate of Judaism, would my point be lost because I'm white? Would my work become less significant?

What makes you think its Douglass's 'whiteness' that made him a good orator? Couldn't it have been an inner desire to learn and improve? Does this desire, if it exists at all, exist within all people? Are you suggesting that there have been no good speakers from the African continent, or that it's not possible for a good speaker to be from there?

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I think the examples that were given of differences between South Americans and Africans is proof of the idea that race is a social construct. If everyone could see it, then it would probably be safe to say it is 'there'; but if you have to keep pointing out to me how someone has a slightly different nose... :/

At 10/29/05 06:58 PM, ohp-kyle wrote:
Let's take a look at some Rage Against the Machine lyrics:

Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?
-- from Testify (The Battle of Los Angeles, 1999)

Ha ha, yeah. That's originally from the book 1984 by George Orwell. Just for information.

Success at oratory skills and public speaking aren't genetically transferred. There isn't a "public speaking gene" that's passed down through certain races.

Also, I agree that it isn't right to have a conspiracy meant to push up one race, but we (USA) treated these people horribly. They were beaten and degraded. I think they deserve a little support.
Frankly, I don't ee how one can logically support the arguments of hate groups because any "scientific" information they have is biased and not to be accepted straight up as fact.

At 10/27/05 08:54 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: College made me a white supremacist...

Well just don't try to burn down any synagouges, m'kay?

When one really thinks about how all of us humans are descended from a small group of nomadic hunter-gatherers in east Africa, racial distinctions start to become less vivid to one's mind. In fact, studies have shown that the racial differences of humanity have very little meaning genetically (source). Genetic variations are far more significant between individual humans than between racial groups. So a black person can be more genetically similar to a white person than to another black person. Therefore, racial differences account for only a small part of our genetics, too small to have anything to do with a person's intelligence. All genetic evidence that has been so far accumulated shows no connection between racial characteristics and intelligence (or any other "meaningful" human qualities like ambition, creativity, willpower, etc.) It is quite improbable, Funk, to claim that Frederick Douglas's success as a human being is attributable to the fact that he had caucasian blood because you cannot prove this genetically.

To show ethnic diversity, most commercials comntain at least 1/3rd black people, which is simply rediculous. If you randomly grab 3 people from anywhere nonbiasly, you probably won't get a black kid in there. There's more white people. It's a fact. Don't call it racist when a color doesn't show up on the McDonalds commercial.

At 10/30/05 02:55 AM, KupaMan wrote: To show ethnic diversity, most commercials comntain at least 1/3rd black people, which is simply rediculous. If you randomly grab 3 people from anywhere nonbiasly, you probably won't get a black kid in there. There's more white people. It's a fact. Don't call it racist when a color doesn't show up on the McDonalds commercial.

By the same token, you shouldn't bitch when a color does show up on the McDonald's commercial. What is the need for keeping track of racial "quotas," anyway?

At 10/27/05 08:54 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: homo

LOL homo.

I had to do it.

Yah I've noticed too how they're like ZOMFG hes so smart! nad hes black! even if he is fully black thats just ONE black man not all of them.

(NO RACIAL OFFENCE)

I think it's kind of passed down through family not as a gene (maybe) but somewhow else. Like a lot of african american people are said to be mostly (bad) In can't really tell because I rarely see african americans. its maybe becuase they slowly got pissed from being slaves and degraded and beaten for so long that they raised their children to get angry too (Indirectly. what I mean by raising a child to get angry indirectly is, for example if a family has 1 child. and the mom carreses, smooches, pampers, and shows MUCH affection this will slwoly make him softer emotionally and now his father is a mean drunk who hates everyone. the kid will cry easily and be hurt emotionally easily. when he grows up he will be depressed in life) so that feeling/gene whatever it is passed down the centuries to make african americans be like this (if its true that most of them are bad I can't tell really. I dont watch them all day long)

Just my thoughts.

At 10/30/05 05:20 PM, whitepower wrote: blacks were only put on earth for target practice. they were not ment to have rights or freedoms.

get the blacks out of our country and send them in the ocean! and make sure they drown!

LOL

Speaking of revisionist history....

At 10/30/05 03:08 AM, LordXanthus wrote: At 10/30/05 02:55 AM, KupaMan wrote::
By the same token, you shouldn't bitch when a color does show up on the McDonald's commercial. What is the need for keeping track of racial "quotas," anyway?

Because oddly enough black people buy food with money. Money that McDonalds feels would be better spent on thier rather than something that would help end this bastard of a stereotype.