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At 11/2/05 10:31 PM, GrahamJones wrote: Personally, I know they were talking about a massive loss (or whatever they fucking called it), but I think they milked it WAY to much. I know it was awful to a lot of people, but they could have stopped a bit early on the reporting of the NYPD and shit, and get on to statistics! Also, I don't give a damn about Girl G. Girl's dead husband, THE MOTHERFUCKING HUNDREDETH TIME!
They had good intentions to get people to help, but they just milked to fucking much.

I don't feel they milked it enough. How exactly can you over do the death of 3000? I maybe insensitive to an extent, but you must really have your head up your ass.

At 10/30/05 11:43 PM, CaedoDeum wrote: Obviously they had massive issues but I don't think they were all that sick. Just fucked up from society. And that can happen to anyone.

Yesh. Those fucks wouldn't have killed the kids if:
a. Their parents didn't have guns.
b. Their parents watched for supicous behavior, etc.

Read the rest of the topic, we talked about parents.

c. They took it out on something else.

Eh, that's not always possible.

I submitted my first Flash, about an hour ago. Its bad, and its going to get blammed, but i dont really care. Anyway good to be back.
About what Eagle said about "warning signs"? Some people are just scary, like me for example. I like to draw gory pictures, but Im still a normal guy, at least by realistic standards. Its just that there is this thing that people do, that they sort of classify other people, for example, " If you do ____, then you must be ____ ." Fill in the blanks with whatever you feel like, but thats how it works.

At 11/2/05 02:48 AM, Pink_Floyd wrote: We really shouldn't be too hard on them though, seeing as how we have never been parents, and for a non-parent to recognize the difficulties of being a parent is done so with the utmost difficulty. You need to mentally place yourself in that person's brain, which is not an easy task.

Okay, I have to agree with you on that. I realize the difficulty in raising a child, and I should respect that, as you claim. Really what I'm trying to get at is that there are some parents out there that just DO NOT CARE. Those are the problem parents, the ones that let their children fuck themselves up and destroy their lives. If you are trying, then you are most probably a good parent. Otherwise, you're a problem.

All in all though, I'm open minded, and if anyone could reason with me enough to persuade me otherwise, I would absolutely welcome their theories and ideas. Which is why this topic is excellent. It makes you think. Thinking is what it's all about.

I love it too. This thread hasn't really died yet, and we're up to 5 pages of (almost) all good posts!

At 11/2/05 10:35 PM, Pink_Floyd wrote:

At 11/2/05 10:31 PM, GrahamJones wrote: They had good intentions to get people to help, but they just milked to fucking much.

I don't feel they milked it enough. How exactly can you over do the death of 3000? I maybe insensitive to an extent, but you must really have your head up your ass.

I have to side with Graham here. I don't think he means the milking in the sense that people were talking about it so much, but in the sense that the media TREATED it as airtime fodder and simply milked the 9/11 story for as long as possible. In other words, it wasn't because there were 3000+ deaths, but because there was news potential. However, don't get me wrong...I don't think those deaths should be trivialized in the slightest, but people capitalizing on the event is totally wrong.

You also see the captialization in post-9/11 merchandise, where I saw people trying to sell stuff left and right to people trying to mourn their losses. Stuff like that just makes me sick. The most common offense to this are those ribbon magnets for the back of your car and the rubber bracelet empire (not the ones you get when you donate, the ones you buy. Most of these items are just another way to get some money out of your average head-up-their-ass consumer who falls for every marketing gimmick possible. For a more in-depth view on this, I'd check page 1 of this thread. I go into detail there.

At 11/3/05 03:33 AM, EagleRock wrote: I have to side with Graham here. I don't think he means the milking in the sense that people were talking about it so much, but in the sense that the media TREATED it as airtime fodder and simply milked the 9/11 story for as long as possible. In other words, it wasn't because there were 3000+ deaths, but because there was news potential. However, don't get me wrong...I don't think those deaths should be trivialized in the slightest, but people capitalizing on the event is totally wrong.

I feel I must point out that 3000 deaths isn't very many. Look at africa, they matched the death toll of the Tsunami in just a couple weeks, through general poverty.

At 11/3/05 03:33 AM, EagleRock wrote: You also see the captialization in post-9/11 merchandise, where I saw people trying to sell stuff left and right to people trying to mourn their losses. Stuff like that just makes me sick. The most common offense to this are those ribbon magnets for the back of your car and the rubber bracelet empire (not the ones you get when you donate, the ones you buy. Most of these items are just another way to get some money out of your average head-up-their-ass consumer who falls for every marketing gimmick possible. For a more in-depth view on this, I'd check page 1 of this thread. I go into detail there.

I agree dude. Unfortunatley though, our country is completely run on capital, so the greedy money-grubbers try to grasp change off of anything. It's terrible. I was reading Marx's "Communist Manifesto", and he barely talks about communism, merely talks about the frustrations of capitalism. And I agree, to an extent, that capitalism is definately a sick, greedy system.

Unfortunately, I'm a huge individualist. I feel that rights come above everything. Capitalism definately gives us some major rights. I'm also a fan of socialism, of which I wish our country would adopt a few more qualities.

But yes, to make profit off of others' misfortunes is a sick offense.

At 11/4/05 02:47 AM, TheRevolutionary wrote: I feel I must point out that 3000 deaths isn't very many. Look at africa, they matched the death toll of the Tsunami in just a couple weeks, through general poverty.

In the grand scheme of things, no, 3000 is nothing.

But when you think about it. Can you even picture 3000 people? That is a lot of fucking people.

And yes, things in Africa are very fucked up, definately. If only Bush hadn't put us in such a financial shit-hole, maybe we could help them out a little bit. But I'm not sure how much we would be able to do, seeing as how most Americans are, unfortunately, much more compassionate for their fairer skinned friends, whether they like to acknowledge it or not.

Well, its the holiday's. Its that time of year when everyone spends time with thier loved ones, and a lot of people get presents. Interestingly enough, its also the time of the year for suicide. The significant lack of sunlight due to winter causes a chemical imbalance in the brain, causing depresion. Odd huh?

In any case, 2005 has been a year to remember. A lot of fucked up shit happened, and a lot of people lost thier lives. It is odd to think that there are American troops in Iraq, dying for "freedom". It is odd to think that a tsunami killed thousands of people. It is odd to think that 2 hurricanes slammed the U.S., causing millions, if not billions of dollars of damage.

But it is most odd to think that while all this was, and is, going on, I am here. I am here sitting in my room talking about it with the same detachment with which I talk about the weather. Was there any purpose? What did the human race learn this year? Did we profit from these experiances?

No, probably not.

Instead, we chalk it up to " mother nature", or "terrorism", or whatever they feel like calling the next fucking dilema on the horizon. We watch, we listen.
But WE
DO
NOT
LEARN.
For instance, America still has troops in Iraq. I supported getting Sadam out of power, that guy was a bad mother fucker. But he is on fucking trial now. So why are we still there? Why do we continue to waste innocent lives on the whim of a man who only got into college because his father was famous?

I find fault in the logic that America is supporting so called "freedom". That we are somehow noble because we continue to martyr Americans by staying in a country that didnt want us there in the first place.

So tell me when it is going to end. There isnt much we, the human race, couldve done about the tsunami, I wont argue that. The tragedy with the hurricanes couldve been avoided, had not America been so self confident. But Iraq couldve been prevented. The loss of humans, not just Americans, could've been prevented.

So much for happy holidays.