Senator Santorum On Dead Babies

[Me-Patch]

As a citizen of the absolute best city in America, I am appaled by our politicians. Presently in Philadelphia we have several politicians under indightment for scandal and corruption, and a mayor who is under federal investigation. But what I just recently discovered was the very disturbing issue of Rick Santorum's mental health.

http://www.hannity.c..ndex.php/t-2776.html

For those of you who don't click links Rick Santorum brought his dead newborn son home with him in a blanket and showed him to his family. He took pictures and hung out with this dead baby for a few days before finaly letting it be buried like a sensable person.

[Mr-Snickers]

And hes a polictian? Whats wrong with the US. I swear if he ever becomes governer of a state I will never visit that state again and make sure other people know of wat he did. He should be jailed for a long time for that

[RedSkunk]

Holy shit.

[Me-Patch]

Santorum is a Pennsylvania state senator who keeps winning the midterm elections because of his strong anti abortion stance, but this year he's going up against a democrat who is also anti anortion, so hopefuly we can get this maniac out of office.

[Mr-Snickers]

Yeah thats wat im saying!

[MoralLibertarian]

Strange.

[DMXRoid]

Dude, leave the fucking guy alone. His fucking kid died, and you're going to attack the way he deals with his grief? For fuck's sake, is nothing sacred to you? This isn't a political matter, this is a matter of a dude whose CHILD died.

Jesus fucking Christ, you people fucking sicken me. Yes, it's sort of wierd that he did that, but it's understandable, and it's in a moment of such abject grief that NO one could be expected to behave rationally.

LEave him the fuck alone.

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At 10/22/05 01:01 PM, DMXRoid wrote: Jesus fucking Christ, you people fucking sicken me. Yes, it's sort of wierd that he did that, but it's understandable, and it's in a moment of such abject grief that NO one could be expected to behave rationally.

I sicken you, your defending a man who took a dead baby to his home and played with it's body for a few DAYS, but I sicken you. A dead body needs to be taken to a morgue for embalming, this guy took it to his house fresh from the womb do you even realize that decay must have set in fairly quickly.

What would have been understandable would be a funeral you twat.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/22/05 01:01 PM, DMXRoid wrote: This isn't a political matter, this is a matter of a dude whose CHILD died.

You're the one politicizing it right now, by defending him because his politics are similar to yours. Admit it, if you read about some random person carrying around a corpse for a few days, taking photos of it, having it around his children, you'd be singing a different tune.

I now have doubts on whether Santorum and his wife are fit to take care of the children they have. Seems they might be just as well caring for three or four dolls.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 10/22/05 01:01 PM, DMXRoid wrote: Jesus fucking Christ, you people fucking sicken me. Yes, it's sort of wierd that he did that, but it's understandable, and it's in a moment of such abject grief that NO one could be expected to behave rationally.

Yeah, but at the same time, no one could be expected to take their baby home and pretend it's alive for a while either. I don't mind Santorum, but that sort of behavior is not normal.

[Jimsween]

Well, I think we all need to step back and put it into perspective for a bit. His baby did just die and he is obviously emotionally distressed, and as much as we like to hold our politicians to a higher standard that really not feasable or neccesary.

However, I am disgusted that he would try to politicize the death of his baby.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 10/22/05 01:26 PM, Jimsween wrote: However, I am disgusted that he would try to politicize the death of his baby.

I don't think this is an act of politicizing anything. I'm part of the pro-life crowd and I find this sort of behavior strange beyond belief. And we all know that the left thinks this is action is even stranger, just because they hate Santorum. I don't see how this sort of action could help him in anything. I think this is just the action of a man slightly deranged from grief.

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I don't agree with the defense that he was " Emotionaly Distressed" because he was very proud of himself for it. He has picture of the dead baby on his desk in Washington, and he and his wife wrote a book about it. So it's not like he was temporaraly insane or anything.

[RedSkunk]

It being Santorum has nothing to do with my belief that his actions were fucked up.

[Jimsween]

At 10/22/05 01:30 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: I don't think this is an act of politicizing anything. I'm part of the pro-life crowd and I find this sort of behavior strange beyond belief. And we all know that the left thinks this is action is even stranger, just because they hate Santorum. I don't see how this sort of action could help him in anything. I think this is just the action of a man slightly deranged from grief.

Did you read the last few lines? He was clearly making a statement about abortion by doing it, or at least that one one of the side goals.

[WillPostForFood]

damn....thats fucked up! i can kinda understand and feel sorry for him tho. i mean his son died...

[Elfer]

Ok, it's perfectly fine to think that a fetus is a person, but to bring it home with you and parade it around in front of your kids for a few days is just fucking CREEPY.

[Mr-Snickers]

" Yes, it's sort of wierd that he did that, but it's understandable"

My kid dies so Ill who him around to everyone. Yes thats clearly understandable. NOT. Come on hes clearly mentally unstable. Why would someone do that? It's sick.

[DMXRoid]

I sicken you, your defending a man who took a dead baby to his home and played with it's body for a few DAYS, but I sicken you. A dead body needs to be taken to a morgue for embalming, this guy took it to his house fresh from the womb do you even realize that decay must have set in fairly quickly.

What would have been understandable would be a funeral you twat.

Yes, it's not fucking normal, but how would you react to the death of a child? How would you explain it to your kids that, while they were GOING to have a brother, now they won't?

I'm not defending hte action as normal, or even right. I am saying that it's understandable, and it's a cheap shot to attack a man for his behavior at what had to be the worst moment of his life. Nobody is at their best when they're grief-stricken. Yes, it's morbid, yes, it's disturbing, but no, we shouldn't get on his case for it.

[DMXRoid]

You're the one politicizing it right now, by defending him because his politics are similar to yours. Admit it, if you read about some random person carrying around a corpse for a few days, taking photos of it, having it around his children, you'd be singing a different tune.

No, if ANYONE acted that way, I'd be bothered, but I'd leave him the fuck alone. You don't dick with someone over how they acted when their child died. It's one of the few things that deserve a little fucking respect and understanding. If Howard Dean had taken his dead baby home to the family as a way of dealing with the grief, I'd think it was fucked, just like I do with Santorum, but I'd leave him the fuck alone, and wouldn't call bullshit on him, because that's his fucking private grief.

I now have doubts on whether Santorum and his wife are fit to take care of the children they have. Seems they might be just as well caring for three or four dolls.

Yeha, you don't know a goddamn thing about how Santorum cares for his kids, do you? You're just kind of being a dick and taking this absurd behavior in a moment of pain that is incomparable to any other, and trying to attack a man that you _already_ don't like.

Say what you will of those of us on the right, but we've never attacked someone for their behavior when a loved one died.

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At 10/22/05 02:11 PM, DMXRoid wrote: I'm not defending hte action as normal, or even right. I am saying that it's understandable, and it's a cheap shot to attack a man for his behavior at what had to be the worst moment of his life. Nobody is at their best when they're grief-stricken. Yes, it's morbid, yes, it's disturbing, but no, we shouldn't get on his case for it.

If it was shock then that shock lasted a pretty damn long time being as he wrote a book about it glorifieng his actions. If your not defending his actions than why would you defend him, he's clearly a supporter of his own actions.

[DMXRoid]

I don't agree with the defense that he was " Emotionaly Distressed" because he was very proud of himself for it. He has picture of the dead baby on his desk in Washington, and he and his wife wrote a book about it. So it's not like he was temporaraly insane or anything.

He's proud of, and loves, his dead son, what's wrong with that? Why the fuck do you care if he chooses to memorialize his son by keeping a picture of him around? Why the fuck do you care if his wife wrote a book of LETTERS that she wrote to her son during her pregnancy? It's a hard fucking thing to deal with, and you act like he's a fucking asshole because he dealt with it differently than you'd want him to.

[DMXRoid]

If it was shock then that shock lasted a pretty damn long time being as he wrote a book about it glorifieng his actions. If your not defending his actions than why would you defend him, he's clearly a supporter of his own actions.

Actually, his wife wrote the book, and it was full of letters that she wrote to her son while she was pregnant, and shortly after he died. He didn't glorify his actions. He barely talks about them, and only when asked by jackoffs like you who want to bring up the most painful experience of his life. Who the fuck cares what he did with his dead kid? THat's his way of dealing with the grief, and helping his family deal with the grief. You don't like it, fine, don't take your dead baby home. But what the fuck is the point of attacking the man for this?

I'm defending him because what he did, while abnormal, shouldn't be something that's open to attack. If he'd taken his dead baby home, stewed eat, and then proclaimed to the family that, by eating the dead baby stew, they would all absorb the powers and soul of the dead baby, then I'd be like, yeah, fucking crazy, lock him up and throw away the key. But he took his dead child home so his children could see that, indeed, they did have a brother, and he was now gone, so his parents could see their grandchild, even if only for a moment, and even if it was just the child's dead shell.

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At 10/22/05 02:16 PM, DMXRoid wrote: He's proud of, and loves, his dead son, what's wrong with that? Why the fuck do you care if he chooses to memorialize his son by keeping a picture of him around? Why the fuck do you care if his wife wrote a book of LETTERS that she wrote to her son during her pregnancy? It's a hard fucking thing to deal with, and you act like he's a fucking asshole because he dealt with it differently than you'd want him to.

I was trying to point out that it was not shock or temporary insanity that made him do what he did. I don't care about his book or his picture I was just using them as examples. And I understand that it is a hard thing to deal with, but you have to admit that his actions were at least signs of borderline insanity.

Wheres the respect for his son's body, I wouldn't want my dead body paraded around while in the early stages of decay.

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At 10/22/05 02:20 PM, DMXRoid wrote:

Who the fuck cares what he did with his dead kid? THat's his way of dealing with the grief, and helping his family deal with the grief. You don't like it, fine, don't take your dead baby home. But what the fuck is the point of attacking the man for this?

My point in attacking the man for it is because he's a senator from my home state, and I don't like the idea of a dead baby parading nut case voting on important issues having to do with my home state. And If people didn't know about this then they would find no reason not to vote for him.
And if thats the way he deals with his grief he's a fucking NUT CASE. It's that simple. Stop trying to defend an act of outright insanity you jerk off.

[fli]

At 10/22/05 12:49 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Strange.

No it is not strange. I'm actually heart broken. And as much I can make fun of Santorum (also known as the smell from frothy mixture of lube and anal juices)--

I feel sad for him.

I lost my own biological baby right before it was going to be born. Doctors didn't want neither me or the biolgical mom to touch it, but we did anyways.

So,
It's understandable why Santorum wanted to bring home a dead fetus. He is mourning, and this is what people do. When my grandfather died a few weeks ago, my sister and the rest of the family slept in the same room (on the floor) where my grandfather's body was. (I think the technical term is 'wake'.) Sounds strange, but no-- it really isn't.

It's another part of the grieving process.
To pay respect to the dead.

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At 10/22/05 02:51 PM, fli wrote: I lost my own biological baby right before it was going to be born. Doctors didn't want neither me or the biolgical mom to touch it, but we did anyways.

With all due respect, thats noticably more sane than taking him home for a few days.
And a wake makes plenty of sense to me, and he could have seen and touched his dead son at the wake, after the embalming process. Thats what particularly disturbs me about it all, the lack of funeral preperation.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/22/05 02:14 PM, DMXRoid wrote: Say what you will of those of us on the right, but we've never attacked someone for their behavior when a loved one died.

Stop trying to politicize it. Chris sakes.

[ReiperX]

I'm not defending the guy, I'm not saying he's a bit strange, I'm just saying that I kinda understand.

He lost his child. The child aparently was carried full term. Most people don't understand what that is like, but I'm sure it takes a heavy toll on a person, and their mindset. This might have just been his way of dealing with it. Was the the proper thing to do? No, but in the mental state he probally was in, it made sense to him. Especially with a person with his strong pro-life stance, thinking that all innocent life is worth saving. It screwed with his head.

I feel sorry for the guy actually.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/22/05 04:15 PM, ReiperX wrote: This might have just been his way of dealing with it. Was the the proper thing to do? No, but in the mental state he probally was in, it made sense to him.

The article says that he keeps a photo that he took of the dead corpse in his senate office. It's been nine years.

""That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense."

If you excuse his judgement at the time because of shock, then he might still be mentally unstable.