if I'm punk do I have too be lib.

[Leftover-crack]

i'm a punk. nuff said. but do I have too be a liberal by defualt? or do I have the choice too try and defy both sides (GOD DAMNED THE CONSERVATIVES!)?

[FUNKbrs]

All the original punks were nazis, so do whatever you want.

[DamienK]

At 10/16/05 11:32 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: All the original punks were nazis, so do whatever you want.

I figured they were too much of anarchists to follow the nazi regime.

But that's not the point, you shouldn't be asking questions like this. Don't let your genre or your category define the decisions you make. In fact don't confine yourself to a genre or a category at all. Don't say I'm a Punk or I'm Emo or any stereotypical classification of how you act. Be your own person, listen to whatever damn music you want (whether its punk or not), and make your own decisions.

Besides, it seems that the only way to be a true punk these days is to be a huge supporter of Bush, (as quoted from Trey Parker and Matt Stone).

[MoralLibertarian]

Here.

Decide what you hate more: government, corporations, or both.

If you hate government more, become a libertarian. If you hate corporations more, become a socialist or a Marxist. If you hate both, become an anarchist.

[DMXRoid]

At 10/16/05 11:26 PM, bratpack34 wrote: i'm a punk. nuff said. but do I have too be a liberal by defualt? or do I have the choice too try and defy both sides (GOD DAMNED THE CONSERVATIVES!)?

You know, it's a tough question. While "punks" are often associated with the Green party and other liberal organizations, I think that it's a pretty open court. The original punks (who were _not_ Nazi's, as some have said, but often a response to Nazisim) were true anarchists (in the chaotic sense of the word).

The reality is, though, is that punk isn't really about an attitude towards government, but rather about how you act as an individual and how you form your personality absent of corporate, government, or political influence. The music doesn't change, and the lifestyle doesn't have to change.

[Toxic-Luck]

I dont think punks have to be liberal. I just think they disagree with all forms of order. They prefer chaos. So most likely you would not fully agree with either side because both sides want some sort of order. Maybe you should watch a kick ass movie called SLC Punk because it is fucking awesome and makes a lot of people open their eyes about being punks. I would also like to note that im not a punk but I do agree with a lot of ideas that they do have.

[poobumface]

punks are just weird

[RedSkunk]

Yes

[Gunter45]

Do whatever you want. Why do you have to fit within a certain label. Why do you even want to? Listen, if you feel a certain way about something, don't let some stereotype herd you into pretending you don't feel that way. Being part of a stereotype is the enemy of free thought. And, to be honest, the fact that you're so willing to allow the "punk" mentality reign you into thinking a certain way, you might be better off conforming to the rest of the group. Defy both sides? I think you're about as defiant as a cow raised for slaughter.

[bcdemon]

At 10/16/05 11:26 PM, bratpack34 wrote: i'm a punk. nuff said. but do I have too be a liberal by defualt? or do I have the choice too try and defy both sides (GOD DAMNED THE CONSERVATIVES!)?

By "punk" do you mean you are a violent anarchist? Or just someone who likes the Sex Pistols, Dead Milkmen and yes, even Green Day? Either way, choose your own side. Don't become something because it's cool.

[KingSwifty]

At 10/16/05 11:26 PM, bratpack34 wrote: i'm a punk. nuff said. but do I have too be a liberal by defualt? or do I have the choice too try and defy both sides (GOD DAMNED THE CONSERVATIVES!)?

By the sounds of it, you aren't a punk at all. A punk shouldn't need to ask what he/she should think, punks should be very much individuals.

You sound more like a wannabe than anything else.

[RedSkunk]

CONFORM, FUCKER!

[SEXY-FETUS]

Once your old enough to vote and your opinion on things actually does matter, you won't care about your social status of being a "punk". Hell if I had a social status it would probably be more in the black metal crowd and I strongly believe in a capitolistic democracy, or in other words what conservatives should be.

[AapoJoki]

At 10/17/05 12:01 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If you hate government more, become a libertarian. If you hate corporations more, become a socialist or a Marxist. If you hate both, become an anarchist.

Actually, marxists "hate" the government too, because in the final stage of communism there will be neither corporations nor government. Socialism is just a phase in which all the means of production are property of the government.

[punisher19848]

At 10/16/05 11:26 PM, bratpack34 wrote: i'm a punk. nuff said. but do I have too be a liberal by defualt? or do I have the choice too try and defy both sides (GOD DAMNED THE CONSERVATIVES!)?

Just because you belong to a sub-culture doesn't mean you have to espouse the political agendas popular among your peers. I'm a college student and a nerd and most members of both of these groups tend to be moralists/idealists. But I embrace the antithesis of that philosophy and have become mopre of a anti-ethisist/realist.

[MoralLibertarian]

At 10/17/05 12:42 PM, Aapo_Joki wrote:

At 10/17/05 12:01 AM, MoralLibertarian wrote: If you hate government more, become a libertarian. If you hate corporations more, become a socialist or a Marxist. If you hate both, become an anarchist.

Actually, marxists "hate" the government too, because in the final stage of communism there will be neither corporations nor government. Socialism is just a phase in which all the means of production are property of the government.

Yeah, true that. Marxism is further out there, but maybe it belongs in the anarchist category.

[Jimsween]

No, you just have to wear black clothes.

[RedSkunk]

At 10/17/05 04:24 PM, Jimsween wrote: No, you just have to wear black clothes.

Waitasecond. Doesn't he run the risk of falling into another category? Like 'Amish'? You need to give the boy more structure than that!

[Reverend-Kyle]

It's not very punk to call yourself a punk. >:(

[Jimsween]

At 10/17/05 04:27 PM, RedSkvnk wrote: Waitasecond. Doesn't he run the risk of falling into another category? Like 'Amish'? You need to give the boy more structure than that!

You're right. Wear black but don't wear a bonnet.

[Leftover-crack]

At 10/16/05 11:42 PM, DamienK wrote:

Besides, it seems that the only way to be a true punk these days is to be a huge supporter of Bush, (as quoted from Trey Parker and Matt Stone).

damn you have a point!!! really I say I listen too punk rock. I don't dress a certain way too express that. I act rebelous but not over zealous or shit like that. but yeah I actually debate ON bushes side since everyone else hates him

[Leftover-crack]

At 10/17/05 04:24 PM, Jimsween wrote: No, you just have to wear black clothes.

HELLLLL NOOOOO! I where what ever is in my closet (I blind fold myself. usually blue and green are the colors of my clothes) but I'm not wearing black. and I will support bush just too fuck with you'll!

ok not you'll because you'll could care less.... but everyone that is a poser!!

[Gunter45]

At 10/17/05 06:18 PM, bratpack34 wrote: and I will support bush just too fuck with you'll!

It's certainly too fuck for me.

[Leftover-crack]

At 10/17/05 06:19 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 10/17/05 06:18 PM, bratpack34 wrote: and I will support bush just too fuck with you'll!

It's certainly too fuck for me.

really gunter?....jeez....sorry... but yeah... I will

[Gunter45]

At 10/17/05 06:44 PM, bratpack34 wrote: really gunter?....jeez....sorry... but yeah... I will

It was a play on your grammar mistake. I see it went right over your head.

[Leftover-crack]

At 10/17/05 06:47 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 10/17/05 06:44 PM, bratpack34 wrote: really gunter?....jeez....sorry... but yeah... I will

It was a play on your grammar mistake. I see it went right over your head.

damn... I look like a shit tart don't I? well I know the mistake I just went with it.....damn that did go right over my head....

[Gunter45]

At 10/17/05 06:50 PM, bratpack34 wrote: well I know the mistake I just went with it.....damn that did go right over my head....

Yeah, don't fight it, just lay back and accept it. Oh yeah, that's good, just let me do the work. Mmm, you like it when I do that, don't you?

[Leftover-crack]

At 10/17/05 06:52 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 10/17/05 06:50 PM, bratpack34 wrote: well I know the mistake I just went with it.....damn that did go right over my head....

Yeah, don't fight it, just lay back and accept it. Oh yeah, that's good, just let me do the work. Mmm, you like it when I do that, don't you?

....you cease too give "WTF" a new meaning......really

[gussiejives]

You can be whatever you want. Personally, I don't think real punks believe in partisan politics at all.

[Gunter45]

At 10/17/05 06:53 PM, bratpack34 wrote: ....you cease too give "WTF" a new meaning......really

I'm sorry, but you might want to throw a "never" in there, right abbouuuuuuuuuutttt.

Mya:

....you never cease too give "WTF" a new meaning......really

Thanks for quoting me, btw.