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At 10/17/05 10:41 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Look, if the egg is fertilized, and the baby is not allowed to live due to an outside drug, it's an abortion. The Birth control Pill's primary method of making sure the baby is not born is suppressing the ovulation process.

As is the morning after pill's. The morning after pill is just a large enough dose of the birth control pill that it will kick in immedeatly, thats the only difference. The primary function is still to stop the ovulation process.

Even if the morning-after pill does the same, the assumption is that ovulation has already taken place and it's trying to prevent the fertilized egg from planting itself.

Why is that the assumption? You do realize ovulation only really lasts a day or so.

If the baby dies the same way from birth control pills, than it's the same deal: aborted human life.

It doesn't always, but it does some of the time, equally for both pills I can only assume. So you have no basis to claim the morning after pill is any more abortion than the normal pill is.

What I said ("The morning after pill is an abortion pill") was correct. I already know that you have no problem with abortion, so whatever.

Even without birth control, around 70% of all fertilized eggs fail to attach to the uterine wall. It's not all that unnatural, it would seem rather, that your perception of what is human life is all wrong.

At 10/16/05 04:44 PM, MoralLibertarian wrote: Also, morning after pill = abortion and maybe dangerous.

The morning after pill is not an abortion pill. It is just like doubling up on the birth control pill.

Wow, this is one of the most STUPID, POINTLESS and USELESS threads EVER. I mean really,

A 12 year old having sex? You are seriously fucked up. It's obvious you do not know what the true meaning of sex is. Sex or "making love" (the name is a BIG hint!) is the act of two lovers, soul mates etc, take part in sexual intercourse to have a baby. Sex isn't just to have a "Good time" it's a responsibility and privellage. Don't you get it? there is a difference between a 20 and 12 year old having sex. A 20 year old would know the true meaning and as for the 12 year old, wouldn't have a clue of what he or she was DOING.

It's a bond between 2 lovers, a union of 2 mates. It's the way someone can show true love to each other.

It is wrong, sick and perverted.

Please, THINK before you post something like this.

See, your meaning of sex is only really one meaning. Making love is different than sex, at least in my opinion. Although I do agree you should not have sex at the age of 12, I also think that sex is a form of entertainment, between two people in love. This is my veiw of it.

I think if they are old enough to not let the parents find out then they are emotinaly and mental ready the whole physical thing might be a different story.

At 10/16/05 02:36 PM, therealsylvos wrote: let me guess youre 11 and 6 months? :)

no, dude your way off he's 13

At 10/16/05 02:35 PM, killanuke wrote: What are your opinions?

if it can be avoided how about no underaged people have sex. the last thing a 12 year old boy/girl needs is to be a parent.

Well first of all Unless the 12 year old has masturbated i dont understand why he would see the want to have an orgasim. ontop of that at 12 years old.. the boy or girl would have little to no want for a relationship let alone a sexual one, here's a better way to say why i think it's a bad idea

- some, most, and all 12 year olds cant drink, drive, have citizen's rights, or do alot of other things. Why should sex be excluded from this list and put on the other side

- most 12 year olds probably dont have an attraction to the other sex, let alone a sexual attraction.

- Alowing 12 year olds to have sex is almost like letting rapists have a legal permit to rape anyone 12 or older, or atleast use that as an exuse for a lighter sentence.

- 12 year olds arn't adults, do you think it's smart to hope they'll protect themselfs when having it? honestly... There would be more early pregancies and abortions in america then ever, not to mention the death's of 12 year old girls (or probably 13 since there' s a 9 month interlude.

That's it... The government has to be carful not to give people freedom's they'll think people will abuse.

I also think that men have to start listening to their brain, rather than they're penis. (or more apropriatly, they're testosterone)

At 10/17/05 09:48 PM, Buckdich wrote: Make the age younger such as 9 to include those early blossomers.

yea, ok.

anyway, i think this is all wrong. wtf were you thinking when you were making this thread? 12? A 12 year old is one of the most important ages during your life, and your gunna suggest that they have sex? Great way to invest in there future, einstein.

ok i don't even know why i am replying to this but sex at 12 is wrong i agree with the guy that said 16 is ok

Wow? 12? I'm honestly amazed. When your 12 years old, first of your still a CHILD! Meaning you have no source of income. No driving, no real education in such a field. Nothing really. Your not even a teen for heavens sake at 12. I agree that 16 is at least more a mature step (if the particular teenager is actually trying to mature), than 12. Even suggesting the idea of little girls and boys sometimes before they've even hit puberty at age 12 having sex? To be honest the whole idea of even the rules? Honestly, if your 12, your not going to follow those guidelines, nor do you even have the availability to get some of those items. I don't think most of them are tall enough to even buy the condoms from Conveinant Stores, let alone ask doctors for birth control. Hell, I'm 15, and I've only done it once.

i think you need to concentrait on more important issues.

At 10/16/05 02:35 PM, killanuke wrote: I think you should be allowed o have sex when you're 12 as long as you take the following precausions:

1) The male must wear a good condom
2) The woman must take a morning afterpill
3) The sex must end with masturbation or orally, not intercourse

What are your opinions?

My opinion: not gonna happen... seriously?

At 10/16/05 02:35 PM, killanuke wrote: I think you should be allowed o have sex when you're 12 as long as you take the following precausions:

While a 12 year old may agree to all these options, at that age it is still beyond anything he or she knows or understands....

As history proves, maybe females have said that they wish they waited till they were married and realise they were to yong at the time of there first intercourse time....

~X~

1. u hav no idea what ur talking about
2. Sex is a big step and if ur twelve and get someone pregnent ur screred for the wrest of ur life
3. 12 is way to young u may think ur ready but ur not despite what u think.
4. if u do that the symbol if sex is completly destroyed even more then it is now

i don't really think the parents are goign to like that..

You guys that think what this kid is saying is imposiible may want to think again. Having sex with a 12 yr. old, or even a 10 yr. old, is perfectly legal in more countries than I'd like to think about. So normal, in fact, that some of them won't even undergo psychological damage from the experience, and may in fact view it positively. That's half of NAMBLAs argument right there. While our government has taken steps to keep our citizens from taking vacations to engage in that activity, and it may seem like a possibility, keep in mind that not only are all deviant sex acts becoming more acceptable, some are even becoming mainstreamed. Also, while I'm not particularly fond of the argument that if we let homosexuals marry, why not let animals, there is some truth to it. Before anyone jumps on that, realize that I am for gay marriage, mainly because it promotes adoption, which deters forced sterilization, abortion, and infanticide in countries like China and India. But where do we draw the line? What's to keep a pedophile from saying "Hey, if its ok for two guys to get married, why can't I date this 12 yr. old?" I dunno, I hope that's not where we're going, but I'm really not that optimistic.

i think twelve is a little young i personally lost my virginity at 14 and noone follows the rules for underaged sex but as long as they use a condom or some form of contraceptive and are careful then i feel they can have intercourse but only if they are responsibe enough to know to use protection etc.

At 10/16/05 02:35 PM, killanuke wrote: What are your opinions?

Isn't underage sex legal in Holland?

Legal age for hetero intercourse: 14

(That's for Canada.)

At 10/19/05 11:01 PM, The-Blaminater wrote: Also laws are meant to be broken so enforcing sex laws won't do anything.

Under that same logic, wouldn't it be justified for a pedophile to molest a child?

After all, guys...laws were made to be broken.

I'm totally digging that.

there's nothin' wrong with underage sex/ premarrital sex (i should know). its just two teens that think they're ready, which is there opinion.

kids should be kids and should not have to worry about sex!!! let them be kids and worry about sex later in their lives!!!!

this is foolish i mean sex is not a trifle thing, i mean for cryin gout loud the younget now you can have sex is 14 and that is that because one must be over 18 and the other can only be yearas younger at that age once they hit 18 howver they can fuck whomever they want. as long as they are older