Space Travel

[Ultimagu]

I have been a firm student of Mathematics and Science for some time, and I have a question to ask the general public. When do you think the conventenal space travel will be? Who (meaning which nation) will be the one to start it? And do you even think it is possible for such accomadation towards the stars, if not for us, then for which generation after us?

Since I would expect an answer from myself anyway, I will tell you what I believe to be the answer.

Personally, though the United States of America literally owns the moon (due to them being the only ones with a flag on it) I believe that it is possible for conventenal travel to be more of orbiting colonies like you see in some of the Sci-Fi movies, or poor anime shows. That it can be any nation, though more likely to be a nation that currently has a space program already. And yes, I do think it is possible, though not by our current means of power, by which I mean fossil fuels.

It's already happenig isn't it? The tickets are millions of dollars though :/

[lili462]

first off i dont think anyone can own the moon, it would be kind of bigheaded for america to say that we do. Frankly i think space travel is stupid and its a waste of time and money. who the hell wants to travel into space, its not like we could walk around here like we usually do. We would have to carry oxygen tanks and wear space suits. Anyways we would just pollute space up too, right along with the good old earth that we've destroyed.

[lili462]

no, i know how big it is, i'm just saying we would end up fucking that up too. i dont care how big it is, we could fuck it up.

[bigweasel24]

Will be in about 20 years or less. We have the technology for it now, and the price will drop ounce more and more space travel is done by humans. And some multinational corporation will lead it, not a country or government, because they will be fearless enough to risks unless governments today. It will probably be flights to suborbit for long distances flights like from New York to Bombay in a hours in a non stop flight.

[Gunter45]

At 10/12/05 10:26 PM, LEEEEEEEEEERRROOYYYY wrote: I mean, it goes on forever, or some would believe that.....

I've actually worked out a theory that might prove that. It's a little shaky, I need to work on it a little bit more, the basic tenet involves the principle that if time can be manipulated then it follows that something could technically exist outside the bounds of time.

[lili462]

At 10/12/05 10:26 PM, LEEEEEEEEEERRROOYYYY wrote:

At 10/12/05 09:58 PM, lili462 wrote: i dont care how big it is, we could fuck it up.

Know, you don't know how big it is.

It is impossible for us to fuck up all of space.

IMPOSSIBLE!

I mean, it goes on forever, or some would believe that.....

until its proven that space goes on forever, i stick with what i said.

[Der-Ubermensch]

If Einstein's theory proves to be set in stone... we're screwed, basically. Restriction to our own solar system wouldn't be such an awful thing, considering that terra-forming Mars is indeed plausible. Don't get me wrong; we've leaps and bounds to make in terms of technological advancement before any of that could come to be.

[Demosthenez]

At 10/12/05 11:02 PM, -Ubermensch- wrote: If Einstein's theory proves to be set in stone... we're screwed, basically.

What specifically are you referring to? Im guessing that nothing can go faster than light?

We still could probably manipulate space, we would just need the power of suns to do so. Ive seen some physicsts talk about how its theoretically possible to bend space but we would need massive energy. So I guess, if we are still around in 30000 years or so (and not lazy ass pigs) we could do it, if we're lucky :P

At 10/12/05 09:58 PM, lili462 wrote: no, i know how big it is, i'm just saying we would end up fucking that up too. i dont care how big it is, we could fuck it up.

Wow, I bet with your positive attitude you are everyones favorite person.

[Dash-Underscore-Dash]

At 10/12/05 10:42 PM, lili462 wrote: until its proven that space goes on forever, i stick with what i said.

You don't need proof when you can use simple logic: If space and boundaries, then we could just keep pushing ourselves pass them.

Even if it was finite, if you shot out billion globs of waste the size of earth, it wouldn't make a difference, if it was possible to make that much waste.

[Gunter45]

At 10/13/05 02:45 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: What specifically are you referring to? Im guessing that nothing can go faster than light?

Then again, if Einstein taught us anything, it's that nothing is impossible. If time itself is able to be manipulated, then who's to say what the limits and boundaries of the physical universe are? We have an infinitessimal grasp on the universe, how do we know that there is nothing that goes faster than light? Just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean its impossible, not by a long shot.

We still could probably manipulate space, we would just need the power of suns to do so. Ive seen some physicsts talk about how its theoretically possible to bend space but we would need massive energy. So I guess, if we are still around in 30000 years or so (and not lazy ass pigs) we could do it, if we're lucky :P

Yeah, that's facinating stuff. A black hole is pretty much bent space, or at least that's the accepted theory. It's sort of a funnel shaped hole in space, meaning that space kind of pinches in on itself. The problem, of course, is that if you get anywhere near a black hole, the immense gravity well pulls you in and crushes you into almost a single point of matter.

[specimen56]

At 10/13/05 02:45 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: We still could probably manipulate space, we would just need the power of suns to do so. Ive seen some physicsts talk about how its theoretically possible to bend space but we would need massive energy.

Unfortunatlythe energy and radiation required would probably distort space as we know it for a hell of a long time, if not indefinatly. So best to put that idea at the back of your mind.

Anyways. Space travel... Not particularly pointless- the social and moral boost it would give would be worth it at least. and if we encounter alien life-forms a lot of people will have someone to sue for anal probing.
But its not going to happen on a wide scale for some time yet. The stress that space travel puts on the human body means that you'll have to go under extreme training, and some people like me would be unable to go at all. Thus making it a commercial flop really.

[Demosthenez]

Best way for pinner space travel.

Get a crappy ship. Invent stasis fields or whatever that crap is that puts people to sleep and its like they arent growing and aging and stuff. Make cool robot society to steer the ship and maintain it and stuff. Wake up in a million years, voila, new place, like you just woke up.

[Freemind]

At 10/12/05 09:42 PM, lili462 wrote: first off i dont think anyone can own the moon, it would be kind of bigheaded for america to say that we do. Frankly i think space travel is stupid and its a waste of time and money. who the hell wants to travel into space, its not like we could walk around here like we usually do. We would have to carry oxygen tanks and wear space suits. Anyways we would just pollute space up too, right along with the good old earth that we've destroyed.

Im not saying America owns the moon, but people throughout history claimed land on Earth by being the first ones to get to it. Why should the moon be any different? Plus, this planet isn't going to last forever, whether we destroyed it ourselves, an asteriod hit, etc. We will eventually need new planets to continue our civilization.

[Gunter45]

At 10/13/05 04:05 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Best way for pinner space travel.

Get a crappy ship. Invent stasis fields or whatever that crap is that puts people to sleep and its like they arent growing and aging and stuff. Make cool robot society to steer the ship and maintain it and stuff. Wake up in a million years, voila, new place, like you just woke up.

The problem with that is making a machine that can reliably navigate a ship without any external commands for a million years, not to mention the fact that it would do little good for whoever sent them out, seeing as how they would be LONG dead.

[Demosthenez]

At 10/13/05 04:58 PM, Gunter45 wrote: The problem with that is making a machine that can reliably navigate a ship without any external commands for a million years, not to mention the fact that it would do little good for whoever sent them out, seeing as how they would be LONG dead.

Im more for spreading and preserving the human virus. So I dont really care if people specifically benefit. The human race as a whole benefits.

And we have robots to steer the ship :P

[Agent-Noodles]

The known universe is not infinite, in fact, it is expanding everyday. If I remember correctly it is about 500 billion lightyears a day. I will have to find the specific source(s) but apparently everything is flying away from a specific spot in the universe. Some cosmonauts think that it is possible that our known universe is like a bubble in an ocean of other bubble universes.

[ReiperX]

At 10/13/05 09:37 PM, Agent-Noodles wrote: The known universe is not infinite, in fact, it is expanding everyday. If I remember correctly it is about 500 billion lightyears a day. I will have to find the specific source(s) but apparently everything is flying away from a specific spot in the universe. Some cosmonauts think that it is possible that our known universe is like a bubble in an ocean of other bubble universes.

Yet since our universe is spreading, wouldn't that mean that the space outside of the universe that it is expanding into would be infinate?

Personally though, I don't see our universe as something too different than a galaxy. There are millions of galaxies, wouldn't suprise me if there are millions of universes.

[lili462]

At 10/12/05 09:58 PM, lili462 wrote: no, i know how big it is, i'm just saying we would end up fucking that up too. i dont care how big it is, we could fuck it up.

Wow, I bet with your positive attitude you are everyones favorite person.

actually i have a very positive attitude, i'm just referring to how bad we've destroyed our environment. pretty much i'm saying i wouldnt put it past us.

[asdfrasdfg]

At 10/15/05 10:38 PM, lili462 wrote:

actually i have a very positive attitude, i'm just referring to how bad we've destroyed our environment. pretty much i'm saying i wouldnt put it past us.

Hey, in 800 trillion years you may be 2% correct.

If we can somehow devise ourselves a way for us to go past the boundry of the speed of light without being converted into pure energy then we could do it. I personally think that's impossible though.

What we should do is somehow make it so we can break ourselves down into basically pure energy, past the speed of light, and somehow reform ourselves once we get to our destination.

Or we can do more on einsteins research with his theory on gravity and time, and see if we can better manipulate the two.

[Ultimagu]

At 10/13/05 04:58 PM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 10/13/05 04:05 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Best way for pinner space travel.

The problem with that is making a machine that can reliably navigate a ship without any external commands for a million years, not to mention the fact that it would do little good for whoever sent them out, seeing as how they would be LONG dead.

If it had to come to that, it would be more of a save the human race thing than anything.

[Ultimagu]

At 10/15/05 10:38 PM, lili462 wrote:

At 10/12/05 09:58 PM, lili462 wrote: no, i know how big it is, i'm just saying we would end up fucking that up too. i dont care how big it is, we could fuck it up.

Wow, I bet with your positive attitude you are everyones favorite person.

actually i have a very positive attitude, i'm just referring to how bad we've destroyed our environment. pretty much i'm saying i wouldnt put it past us.

I think the point that some people were trying to make, or in the least I will try to make, is that whether or not it is infinite or finite, we know for a fact that even our neartest star system Alpha Centurai is 3.4 light years away. Thats trillions and trillions of miles. With our greatest technoledgy that would take about 50-60 years to get to.

[Ultimagu]

At 10/12/05 07:55 PM, tr0mb0ne wrote: It's already happenig isn't it? The tickets are millions of dollars though :/

Indeed somewhat, but the man was a simple burden. Besides NASA was just doing it to boost their budget. They stopped doign it since the first Challnger accident.

[Ultimagu]

At 10/14/05 08:17 PM, ReiperX wrote:

At 10/13/05 09:37 PM, Agent-Noodles wrote:

Yet since our universe is spreading, wouldn't that mean that the space outside of the universe that it is expanding into would be infinate?

Personally though, I don't see our universe as something too different than a galaxy. There are millions of galaxies, wouldn't suprise me if there are millions of universes.

True, very true. The only thing that does not fit is that there are supposed to be about 100 billion galaxies instead of just millions. Other than that, everything made sense.