American politics

[Das-Gaylien]

Many people think of america as the hero who steps in when the world is going crazy, I think people should stick this illusion up the rear hole.
All america has been doing is protecting their own interests at the cost of others, look at the situation in the middle-east, its ok for Israel to take Arafat hostage, but if he took Sharon hostage USA would surely step in, thats because USA has interests in Israel, the same thing happened at Nam, USA was afraid the Eastern world would turn communist thats why they stepped in, it wasnt because they wanted to defend demokrati, so forget your proud national feelings for a while and write me a reply.

[Arekanderu]

At 11/8/02 08:37 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote: Many people think of america as the hero who steps in when the world is going crazy, I think people should stick this illusion up the rear hole.
All america has been doing is protecting their own interests at the cost of others, look at the situation in the middle-east, its ok for Israel to take Arafat hostage, but if he took Sharon hostage USA would surely step in, thats because USA has interests in Israel, the same thing happened at Nam, USA was afraid the Eastern world would turn communist thats why they stepped in, it wasnt because they wanted to defend demokrati, so forget your proud national feelings for a while and write me a reply.

I don't think that any normal persons sees america as a hero.We all know how much this country sucks

[blkwolf21]

American politics=

Bill Clinton: I did NOT have sex with this woman, Ms. Monica Lewinski

[VasIndustries]

I couldn't agree more, but unfortunatly, I think most Americans see America as a worldwide police officer. Its sad and sick, but if you need proof you can see it from the more shallowminded people on the portal and in the forums.

There are forms of war and terrorism going on all over South America and Africa. Gee, I wonder why everything America does is concentrated on the middle east.

[Das-Gaylien]

At 11/12/02 04:50 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I couldn't agree more, but unfortunatly, I think most Americans see America as a worldwide police officer. Its sad and sick, but if you need proof you can see it from the more shallowminded people on the portal and in the forums.

There are forms of war and terrorism going on all over South America and Africa. Gee, I wonder why everything America does is concentrated on the middle east.

Thank you for being the first person who submits a serious reply to my topic, I think your right, its mostly Americans who think of themselves as police oficers/heroes luckily.
But the world is going more and more stupid...

[wdfcverfgtghm]

At 11/12/02 04:50 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I couldn't agree more, but unfortunatly, I think most Americans see America as a worldwide police officer. Its sad and sick, but if you need proof you can see it from the more shallowminded people on the portal and in the forums.

There are forms of war and terrorism going on all over South America and Africa. Gee, I wonder why everything America does is concentrated on the middle east.

Yeah, cuz it's not like America used billions of dollars in humanitarian aid in Sudan or anything.

[BoboTheLlama]

Yeah, cuz it's not like America used billions of dollars in humanitarian aid in Sudan or anything.

Oftentimes, this "aid" comes in the form of arms, and does little to actually help the situation. And aren't all our businesses oversea helpful? Providing such luxurious jobs as shoe-making for the overflowing wage of up to 25 cents an hour!

Pardon me, but I always have a tendancy to be the moderate of the group, and since this site (as basically any with a sense of humor and a young audience) is heavily liberal (i admit, i am, too), I must also defend the US.

Ok, let's ignore the rampant corruption and all-too-close business ties the government has for a second. Heh, now it's not so bad. Let's also assume that people cared to stay informed and vote. Now we've got some real power in government (but even if they don't, that leaves a larger % of votes going to the smaller # of people who DO care, and thus it all kind of works out anyway).

Also, it isn't just the US. Isn't every country just out to keep themselves above water? Does China or France contribute 1/3 of their treasury to aid people who are actually in need in the 3'rd world? Nope. That's people for you.

[Das-Gaylien]

At 11/12/02 09:07 PM, BoboTheLlama wrote:

Yeah, cuz it's not like America used billions of dollars in humanitarian aid in Sudan or anything.

Oftentimes, this "aid" comes in the form of arms, and does little to actually help the situation. And aren't all our businesses oversea helpful? Providing such luxurious jobs as shoe-making for the overflowing wage of up to 25 cents an hour!

Pardon me, but I always have a tendancy to be the moderate of the group, and since this site (as basically any with a sense of humor and a young audience) is heavily liberal (i admit, i am, too), I must also defend the US.

Ok, let's ignore the rampant corruption and all-too-close business ties the government has for a second. Heh, now it's not so bad. Let's also assume that people cared to stay informed and vote. Now we've got some real power in government (but even if they don't, that leaves a larger % of votes going to the smaller # of people who DO care, and thus it all kind of works out anyway).

Also, it isn't just the US. Isn't every country just out to keep themselves above water? Does China or France contribute 1/3 of their treasury to aid people who are actually in need in the 3'rd world? Nope. That's people for you.

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Your right that the US does contribute alot of money to aid other countrys, but first of all they dont GIVE much money away, most of it is loans that must be payed back with an added 5% a month, many countries are using a large percentage of their very sparse income just to keep this loan interest down.
Besides the US is using these loans to keep an interest in these countries, its much easier for the US to keep down a country that owns them money.
30.000 children all over the world is dying through hunger every year, this could be prevented if US chancelled all foreign countries debt.
Thank you for your response tough.

[VisaFreak]

we should stay the fuck out of other countries businesses

[Das-Gaylien]

At 11/20/02 01:28 AM, BigDPCTech wrote: we should stay the fuck out of other countries businesses

Well, not always, I think its good that USA keeps some very corrupt countries at bay, but mostly they interupt for no reason, like in Nam, what the hell did Nam have to do with USA at that moment, and also Israel and Arafat why the hell does USA interrupt it havent got anything to do with them.

[ChocolateChipClock]

Bill Clinton is the best president ever, and the only one thats not crooked, and o yea, i HATE America even though i live here. 9-11 did not affect me at all or any big american shitty event.

[ChocolateChipClock]

Bill Clinton is the only cool president, and o yeah, i hate america. America can kiss my shitty cum soaked asshole.

[Nightshadeplus]

At 11/8/02 08:37 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote: Many people think of america as the hero who steps in when the world is going crazy, I think people should stick this illusion up the rear hole.
All america has been doing is protecting their own interests at the cost of others, look at the situation in the middle-east, its ok for Israel to take Arafat hostage, but if he took Sharon hostage USA would surely step in, thats because USA has interests in Israel, the same thing happened at Nam, USA was afraid the Eastern world would turn communist thats why they stepped in, it wasnt because they wanted to defend demokrati, so forget your proud national feelings for a while and write me a reply.

US wasn't even protecting democracy. It was protecting itself and its own interests. The US is only interested in having countries that it can control and manipulate.

[PsychobillyClock]

At 11/12/02 04:50 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I couldn't agree more, but unfortunatly, I think most Americans see America as a worldwide police officer.

Good cop or bad cop?

Hard to tell when you're the proud home of some of the biggest free-thinkers as well as opressors.

[VasIndustries]

At 11/23/02 07:43 PM, Paul138 wrote:

At 11/12/02 04:50 AM, VasIndustries wrote: I couldn't agree more, but unfortunatly, I think most Americans see America as a worldwide police officer.

Good cop or bad cop?

Hard to tell when you're the proud home of some of the biggest free-thinkers as well as opressors.

Yeah, America's population really does have a wide variety of types of people. That's a good point. The scum grows with the brightest lights.

[Nightshadeplus]

One of the great things and one of the worst things about this country is the Constitution. It's a living document subject to change by the government. It's always evolving to best form of government hopefully. It can be improved on and vice versa. The US people is the key focus of the changes in the Consitution but sometimes using the term "for the good of the people" can be used and manipulated to pump up support for a bill that could do the opposite.

[IndecentXposure]

At 11/8/02 08:37 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote: Many people think of america as the hero who steps in when the world is going crazy, I think people should stick this illusion up the rear hole.
All america has been doing is protecting their own interests at the cost of others, look at the situation in the middle-east, its ok for Israel to take Arafat hostage, but if he took Sharon hostage USA would surely step in, thats because USA has interests in Israel, the same thing happened at Nam, USA was afraid the Eastern world would turn communist thats why they stepped in, it wasnt because they wanted to defend demokrati, so forget your proud national feelings for a while and write me a reply.

America has been the "hero" in some cases. WW1, WW2, gulf war, kosovo, Korean war, Dominican intervention, the battle of Iwo Jima, The battle of Guadalcanal just to name a few. I would like you to name one counry that doesn't do something for there own interest however big or small it may be...and in all the battles America has been in i want you to name atleast five and what Americas interest were because right now you're just flappin your lips. The U.S has interest in Israel because, one..they are our allies, two. Jews have been hated for thousands of years..i think Nazi Germany made that pretty clear. If the U.S doesnot supply Israel with its military weapons and be a key ally i could guarntee you there would be no Israel. Whats our interest in this situation, well its simple, we want a key ally in the middle East, thats not alot to ask for is it. The Vietnamwar developed as a sequel to the struggle (1946 - 54) between the French, who were the rulers of Indochina before World War II, and the Communist-led Vietminh. Myabe you are forgeting that 12 countries enetered Vietnam before the United States did, it was in the U.N interest not the U.S. The U.S supplies 52% of all foreign aid in the world and for you to blame us that people are dying because of foreign debt is bullshit because we're still handing over money as we speak. I noticed you're from Denamark, all you are known for is being an extension of Nazi germany.

[implodinggoat]

At 11/18/02 12:58 PM, Das_Gaylien wrote:

30.000 children all over the world is dying through hunger every year, this could be prevented if US chancelled all foreign countries debt.

You can't hold the United States responsible for everything, are these countries not responsible for their own people? Unless you want the U.S. running around making misguided half ass efforts to be the savior of every country on the face of the planet then you must put some responsibility on the governments of other nations.

[EvilGovernmentAgents]

Do you think that any of the other countries are any better? Henry Kissinger said it best "Countries do not have friends. They have interests." It's the same all over the whole world."

[JMHX]

At 3/6/03 10:25 PM, UNpossible wrote: Do you think that any of the other countries are any better? Henry Kissinger said it best "Countries do not have friends. They have interests." It's the same all over the whole world."

Henry Kissinger should be in jail for some of the things he's done.

[mysecondstar]

At 11/23/02 03:43 AM, untitled-1 wrote: Bill Clinton is the best president ever, and the only one thats not crooked, and o yea, i HATE America even though i live here. 9-11 did not affect me at all or any big american shitty event.

you sick bastard. i had friends who died at the WTC. do you actually think that since you weren't affected by it that no one else was? do you put any thought into what you write before you write it? what sort of indecent, insensitive nonsense is this? shitty event you say? try calling it a shitty event is someone you knew and loved was in there. i can't believe that god damn disrespct and disregard of anyone.

and if you hate America so much, move to Canada. or anywhere for that matter. you take your civil liberties for granted my friend. America may not be perfect, but it sure as hell beats out just about every other country out there.

[InSaNeFooL]

At 11/20/02 01:28 AM, CreamSodaClock wrote: we should stay the fuck out of other countries businesses

A sort but sweet statement I agree with. 'To each his own,' 'Don't come crying on my shoulder,' and maybe a little bit of 'You gotta fight, for your right, to PARTY!"

America should leave the middle east be, other than searching for their arch-enemy Bin Laden. Right now the US attempt at 'help' is only pissing everybody off. Back off. Than send in a sniper and take out Saddam without telling anybody about it.

-ME "They can get JFK, John Lennon and so many more, but nobody can get a clear shot at Saddam? Just invite him out for a parade..."

[Das-Gaylien]

At 3/6/03 08:01 PM, implodinggoat wrote:

At 11/18/02 12:58 PM, Das_Gaylien wrote:

30.000 children all over the world is dying through hunger every year, this could be prevented if US chancelled all foreign countries debt.

You can't hold the United States responsible for everything, are these countries not responsible for their own people? Unless you want the U.S. running around making misguided half ass efforts to be the savior of every country on the face of the planet then you must put some responsibility on the governments of other nations.

Well, USA dont seem to mind messing in every other countries bussines, and all that crap about USA being the most Democratic land in the world thats bullshit.
Then they would be Democratic and humane in other countries aswell.

[Das-Gaylien]

America has been the "hero" in some cases. WW1, WW2, gulf war, kosovo, Korean war, Dominican intervention, the battle of Iwo Jima, The battle of Guadalcanal just to name a few. I would like you to name one counry that doesn't do something for there own interest however big or small it may be...and in all the battles America has been in i want you to name atleast five and what Americas interest were because right now you're just flappin your lips. The U.S has interest in Israel because, one..they are our allies, two. Jews have been hated for thousands of years..i think Nazi Germany made that pretty clear. If the U.S doesnot supply Israel with its military weapons and be a key ally i could guarntee you there would be no Israel. Whats our interest in this situation, well its simple, we want a key ally in the middle East, thats not alot to ask for is it. The Vietnamwar developed as a sequel to the struggle (1946 - 54) between the French, who were the rulers of Indochina before World War II, and the Communist-led Vietminh. Myabe you are forgeting that 12 countries enetered Vietnam before the United States did, it was in the U.N interest not the U.S. The U.S supplies 52% of all foreign aid in the world and for you to blame us that people are dying because of foreign debt is bullshit because we're still handing over money as we speak. I noticed you're from Denamark, all you are known for is being an extension of Nazi germany.

Usa werent the heroes in any of those wars, USA only stepped in WW2 when they were attacked in Pearl harbor, that was in there own interest, also in WW2 they knew they would loose a good allie if Germany won the war and they wouldnt want the Russians to gain more ground, did you even think about that.
And how can you possibly call America the heroes of the Korean War??? USA had nothing to do in the Korean war, who are they to judge wich government typoe is the right one? If a country want to turn Kommunist why cant they? In a Democratic land you should have the right to choose your own government type. How can you call USA Democratic when they run a dictaturship over others? USA only steppes into the Korean war, sacrificing Thousends and thousends of young Americans, because they were afraid of the kommunist revoulition and thats a FACT PAL! BTW the voting % in USA is BELOW 50% I wouldnt call it excactly Democratic when more than half the people dont vote.

[Das-Gaylien]

At 3/7/03 10:12 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote:

:when more than half the people dont vote.

-Continued
You say its not alot to ask for a key ally in the middle-east, the case is that this key ally is the whole proble, there would be no need of a key ally, if USA just dished em, BTW I wouldnt mind there being no Israel, Israel is a terror state, Ive seen footage of a ten year old boy from a peaceful deomonstration being hit by 3 soldiers from the Israel, thereby also the US army, untill all of his bones were broken, he died about 2 days later.
And the money your speaking of being handed over thats just an excuse for keeping the countries of the 3. world who are against USA at their knees, that has nothing to do with charity, the loan interest alone is more than most poor countries can pay.
You say Denmark is known for being an extension of Nazi-Germany, we werent, we didnt meet the Germans in open war, cause we wouldnt stand a chance, I condemn that of course, but this was way before my life started, and we had several freedom fighters exploding railroad tracks and supply depots and so on, we definally werent happy being under the Nazi-Germany, why do you think we celebrate the day we became free? We were under attack.
But you sure know your history, my hat goes of to that.

[TomFlump]

America kicks ass. No country is perfect tho, but America comes pretty close.

[IndecentXposure]

At 3/7/03 10:12 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote:

Usa werent the heroes in any of those wars, USA only stepped in WW2 when they were attacked in Pearl harbor, that was in there own interest, also in WW2 they knew they would loose a good allie if Germany won the war and they wouldnt want the Russians to gain more ground, did you even think about that.
And how can you possibly call America the heroes of the Korean War??? USA had nothing to do in the Korean war, who are they to judge wich government typoe is the right one? If a country want to turn Kommunist why cant they? In a Democratic land you should have the right to choose your own government type. How can you call USA Democratic when they run a dictaturship over others? USA only steppes into the Korean war, sacrificing Thousends and thousends of young Americans, because they were afraid of the kommunist revoulition and thats a FACT PAL! BTW the voting % in USA is BELOW 50% I wouldnt call it excactly Democratic when more than half the people dont vote.

The U.S werent heroes in WW2? hmm...lets begin. 1941, The U.S passes the Lend-Lease Act which passes $7 billion dollars in weapons to Britain and her allies. 1942, The Axis powers are taking control of Europe and the USSR is about to collapse. December 7th, 1941, Japan attacks Pearl Harbour. U.S declares war on Japan. First American troops arive in Northern Ireland. American troops fight along side British and Dutch forces. Large group expandatory American troops regroup in Northern Ireland. America destroys Japanese carriers and planes whille also fighting the Nazis on the ground. At this point the German and Japanese have captured half of Europe but are starting to be forced out by American and allied troops. Beginning of 1943. America has more than 10,000,000 men in Europe, 52,000 planes and 60,000 tanks. America leads offensives all over Europe through ground attacks and Air rades. from 1941-1944 the U.S is involved in hundreds of battles, expelling german and Japanese forces. 1945 belonged to America. The colapse of the Nazis and the surrender of the Japanese ends WW2. What did the U.S accomplish in the war. Lets see, along side there allies they...expeled German and Japanese forces from captured countries all around Europe and Asia. It ended the Holocaust, the millions of civilians murdered by the Japanese and brought democracy to many countries. hmmm, not bad for a couple years work. Was the U.S the only hero, ofcourse not but it looks to me like they sure had a big role. You say it was only in Americas interest but what did America really gain from entering the war. Looks to me like Europe gained alot more from the help of the U.S. The U.S had nothing to do with the Korean war?..when is the last time you opened a book on past history? North Korea INVADED South Korea. President Truman ordered US Air Force and US Navy to help South Korea.U.S ground troops held off North Korean forces for months until UN forces arrived. The Chinese allied with North Kore and began a massive offensive and captured Seoul. US and UN forces began a massive counter offensive. US and UN forces recapture Seoul and start to back out Chinese and North Korean forces. UN compromises back North Korea and China out of South Korea. The only interest i can see here is the U.S helping out a friend. Way to go History Buff. Id like to know where you got your facts that more than 50% of Americans don't vote and if its true how does that make a country un-democratic, we arent forced to vote. Sounds pretty democratic to me.

[IndecentXposure]

At 3/7/03 10:22 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote:

At 3/7/03 10:12 AM, Das_Gaylien wrote: when more than half the people dont vote.

-Continued
You say its not alot to ask for a key ally in the middle-east, the case is that this key ally is the whole proble, there would be no need of a key ally, if USA just dished em, BTW I wouldnt mind there being no Israel, Israel is a terror state, Ive seen footage of a ten year old boy from a peaceful deomonstration being hit by 3 soldiers from the Israel, thereby also the US army, untill all of his bones were broken, he died about 2 days later.
And the money your speaking of being handed over thats just an excuse for keeping the countries of the 3. world who are against USA at their knees, that has nothing to do with charity, the loan interest alone is more than most poor countries can pay.
You say Denmark is known for being an extension of Nazi-Germany, we werent, we didnt meet the Germans in open war, cause we wouldnt stand a chance, I condemn that of course, but this was way before my life started, and we had several freedom fighters exploding railroad tracks and supply depots and so on, we definally werent happy being under the Nazi-Germany, why do you think we celebrate the day we became free? We were under attack.
But you sure know your history, my hat goes of to that.

Shut the hell up. I can tell by your post that you hate the jews, as most of old europe does. If we just "dished" Israel as you say, who would be there ally, who would protect them from all the Arab-Muslim fanatic regimes that would like to see nothing more than Dead jews. If it true that they "hit" a ten year old boy, thats not our problem and thats not the "US army"..it was a few assholes that don't reprsent all jews and certainly do not represent the US army. Your generalizations are pathetic. We give foreign aid to hundreds of countries, not just countries in the middle east. Giving money to countries is not going to stop people from joining terrorist organizations and we realize this. What we also realize is the suffering that those people have to go through everyday, thats why we give foreign aid, not because we want to keep them on there knees as you say. Lets see what you just said.."we didnt meet the Germans in open war, cause we wouldnt stand a chance." Neither did Holland, Latvia, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Romania, Norway, France, India, Hungary, Greece, Poland but they managed to enter the war. Sounds to me like Denmark was only thinking of there own interest(hmmm).

[JMHX]

At 3/7/03 03:29 PM, FrankTheTank wrote: America kicks ass. No country is perfect tho, but America comes pretty close.

America seems perfect because we're the powerful ones. We can make perfection lean in our favor.

[Das-Gaylien]

when more than half the people dont vote.

Shut the hell up. I can tell by your post that you hate the jews, as most of old europe does. If we just "dished" Israel as you say, who would be there ally, who would protect them from all the Arab-Muslim fanatic regimes that would like to see nothing more than Dead jews. If it true that they "hit" a ten year old boy, thats not our problem and thats not the "US army"..it was a few assholes that don't reprsent all jews and certainly do not represet the US army. Your generalizations are pathetic. We give foreign aid to hundreds of countries, not just countries in the middle east. Giving money to countries is not going to stop people from joining terrorist organizations and we realize this. What we also realize is the suffering that those people have to go through everyday, thats why we give foreign aid, not because we want to keep them on there knees as you say. Lets see what you just said.."we didnt meet the Germans in open war, cause we wouldnt stand a chance." Neither did Holland, Latvia, Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Romania, Norway, France, India, Hungary, Greece, Poland but they managed to enter the war. Sounds to me like Denmark was only thinking of there own interest(hmmm).

I dont hate jews first of all, im not a racist like you. I can tell by your BBS-picture your pretty foreign-hateful.
It seems you only deliver deliver historical facts, but you have no idea whats happening to the people in the middleeast today, in about 1960 the people of Palestina started a peaceful rebeleon against Israel, much in the style of Ghandi, both women and children
participated in this PEACEFUL rebelion.
The Israel-army were equipped with clubs funded by USA, specially designed to break bones, then the Israelic army was ordered simply to break the bones of the Palestine-"rebels", thousends of women and children died because of that.
At this point I would like to add, that this "rebelion" was very peaceful, infact they were anti-violent just like Ghandi. I know that Saddam-Hussein has done horrible things to the Iraqi people aswell, but I think this is just as bad.
This Rebelion, the Interfada, is happening today aswell, but now its not peaceful anymore, because the Palestine-people found out they cant get heard if theyre peaceful.
The thing I dont understand however is that USA can support this, but not the terrorist acts taking place in Iraq. Simple enough USA dont give a shit about moral or terrorist acts, as long as USA dont get hit, try to argue against that if you will, cause right now you arent replying to my questions or arguing against my oppinions youre just critisising Denmark, wich has nothing to do with this, and bragging agout youre historical knowledge. Personally I think they should split up "the holy land" so both countries had a piece of land, but the Israelic people just wont settle with that.
BTW only 2% of the jews in Denmark died during WW2 because of all the people who protected them and helped them flee to Sweden.
Maybe Denmark only thought about their own interests back in 1938, but today we think mostly about or princips and morals, for example, Denmark got into a big arguement with Russia this year because we hosted the Tjetjenian leader.
Regarding the Korean war, im not saying USA didnt have anything to do with it, im just saying they shouldn have stepped in, things like that has happened hundreds of times in history, were USA didnt step in, but here USA just feared the Kommunist revolution, they didnt give a crap about the people, I dont find it Democratic to attack a country because it changes its government type, BTW USA lost the Koreanwar.