Fuck off, I'm not giving...

[PandaPorn]

..........financial aid

I find it ironic that the most richest country in the world was appealing for financial aid after being hit by a hurricane. The truth is that if America didn't invest in illegal wars then they could stop the flooding that occured in New Orleans. But it’s little wonder that there is always a war on somewhere in the world when the arms industry is so profitable. The American government spends more money on the military than it spends on education, health and housing. They sell weapons to oppressive regimes around the world, and then use the argument that because everyone else has a big army then they must have one too.

War is the most destructive consequence of capitalism. It destroys human life, the environment and threatens civilisation. It is an important tool for the survival of capitalism with governments and corporations using war to create and preserve ways in which to make profit. War is a blind weapon which does not differentiate between the innocent and guilty, or between uniforms and plain clothes.

American is the richest country in the world yet it have one of the worst rates of poverty in the western. In New Orleans, almost every white person managed to evacuate and left behind a larger, poorer black community who couldn't afford to evacuate. I find it humorous that ever with the threat of drowning or dying in someother means, they still manage to loot shops for the "important" thing. No, I don't mean food, clothing or means of shelter, I mean televisons that the could hardly lift (so I doubt they were using them as floats) and couldn't plug in anywhere as power lines were cut.

In another topic in Newgrounds, they said that they felt the hurricane was I good thing. In my opinion, the only good thing that came from the hurricane was how the rest of the world saw American, the American government and the stupidity of the people living in American and how America is divided between white rich America and poor black America.

[poxpower]

Its try that its pretty ridiculous for non-americans to be stuck helping out for the fucking hurricane.

I think most countries are just doing it to spite you guys and make the US looks even more like a bunch of retards. haha When fucking FRANCE is helping out, now that's just adding major insult to injury!

[PandaPorn]

At 9/25/05 11:35 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Its try that its pretty ridiculous for non-americans to be stuck helping out for the fucking hurricane.

I think most countries are just doing it to spite you guys and make the US looks even more like a bunch of retards. haha When fucking FRANCE is helping out, now that's just adding major insult to injury!

Thanks mate, that's true. We're not helping out though, it's the fact that America (the richest country in the world) are having to ask for aid. We're not giving it too them. Fuck them, if there the richest country and "they" need finincal aid, what chance do the rest of ous have.

[Memorize]

If we were to pay it ourselves, then you or someone else would be complaining that we could get money from someone else instead of wasting all of ours.

[DamienK]

At 9/25/05 12:11 PM, TimeFrame wrote: If we were to pay it ourselves, then you or someone else would be complaining that we could get money from someone else instead of wasting all of ours.

Fucked if you do, fucked if you don't. It's not their fault though, because hating America is the in-thing to do. Because what's cooler than sharing a mentality with bunch of mohawked 13 year old "punks" from America.

[SkyCube]

At 9/25/05 12:11 PM, TimeFrame wrote: If we were to pay it ourselves, then you or someone else would be complaining that we could get money from someone else instead of wasting all of ours.

I wouldn't complain about America paying it themselves...

[Flashfire]

Ahhhhh I remember when I used to a whiney little teen with the same amount of knowledge on economics, politics and philosophy as a plastic spoon. Y'know it's no wonder socialism is so amazingly sucessful when you behold the horrors of a capitalist democracy.

[Jimsween]

At 9/25/05 12:11 PM, TimeFrame wrote: If we were to pay it ourselves, then you or someone else would be complaining that we could get money from someone else instead of wasting all of ours.

I actually remember a thread here where they were calling the US dumb for not accepting aid from other countries.

[Der-Ubermensch]

This is actually great fodder against the zealous " America pwns Joo' idiots.

We need now say only the magic phrase, " Financial aid from third world countries.".

[TheShrike]

Your logic is extremely flawed.

I don't give a damn what you think of our government, but you're saying that people living here don't deserve anyone's help because the government is crooked. That doesn't make any sense at all.

You say that America is both the richest and the poorest?

Pull your head out of your ass, kid. You only made this topic so you could feel better about yourself for having done nothing for no one.

[Nomader]

At 9/25/05 01:53 PM, TheShrike wrote: Your logic is extremely flawed.

I don't give a damn what you think of our government, but you're saying that people living here don't deserve anyone's help because the government is crooked. That doesn't make any sense at all.

You say that America is both the richest and the poorest?

Pull your head out of your ass, kid. You only made this topic so you could feel better about yourself for having done nothing for no one.

I have to agree here - your logic is extremely flawed.

Houston has been slammed by Rita - New Orleans is practically rubble - and Southern Mississipi is still reeling from 21 foot storm surge. And your saying that you won't help. Thanks for nothing.

What if Glasgow, Scotland was hit by some huge disaster, and the US, the biggest giver in help to other countries in aid, decided to screw Scotland? I guess than that a big hunk of your financial aid is dead then... sorry!

[jlwelch]

At 9/25/05 11:35 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Its try that its pretty ridiculous for non-americans to be stuck helping out for the fucking hurricane.

Did America find it ridiculous to help tsunami victims after their disaster? Did America think it was ridiculous to send food and aid to countless 3rd World countries in Africa and elsewhere for some time now? Do you really think that if any other country (i.e. - Russia, China, Germany, etc...) made it to world superpower instead of us that they would give nearly as much for the rest of the world as we have? That being the case, your thread only proves what most Americans already know...the rest of the world is acting like childish ingrates.

[turboanthro]

At 9/25/05 01:53 PM, TheShrike wrote: Your logic is extremely flawed.

I don't give a damn what you think of our government, but you're saying that people living here don't deserve anyone's help because the government is crooked. That doesn't make any sense at all.

You say that America is both the richest and the poorest?

Pull your head out of your ass, kid. You only made this topic so you could feel better about yourself for having done nothing for no one.

the fact is america is the richest countrey but also has one of the highest rates of poverty. this is not to say that it's poor, you misunderstood the meaning of poverty. that fact just means for every rich cunt there are tonnes more in lower / middle class. the guy aslo said other countries shouldent help the hurricane victims, not that the shouldn't recive any help at all. i think they should be getting sent all the help they can get from americas own budget and maybe some light relife from europe, but thats my opinion. anyways, if your going to argue at least get what your aguing about right.

[Hedonist-Hammurabi]

At 9/25/05 01:16 PM, Flashfire wrote: Ahhhhh I remember when I used to a whiney little teen with the same amount of knowledge on economics, politics and philosophy as a plastic spoon. Y'know it's no wonder socialism is so amazingly sucessful when you behold the horrors of a capitalist democracy.

Oh, how I remember those days! I was the same way. Of course, it's completely natural for young people to be half-assed pinko commies. It's actually extremely common. As a group, young people are always gonna be more left than right. But most of us grow out of that phase eventually. We work out all of our radical leftist sympathies when we are young and then settle down to become more moderate, or we drift toward the right.

[DamienK]

At 9/25/05 05:10 PM, Hedonist_Hammurabi wrote: We work out all of our radical leftist sympathies when we are young and then settle down to become more moderate, or we drift toward the right.

Take me for instance: I used to be a fan of Michael Moore (OHNO) and now I'm borderline republican/conservative. Though some people just don't seem to grow up.

"All Americans are fat and stupid, and the rich don't help out the poor. So when America gets hit by a Hurricane, I won't help out at all. What? You say the poor people were the ones who died in the Hurricane? Well they're still fat and stupid so I won't help them out."

[fahrenheit]

At 9/25/05 05:42 PM, DamienK wrote: Well they're still fat and stupid so I won't help them out."

Do you base all of your information of america from what you have seen off of the simpsons? Or another fictional cartoon that is based in USA?

[DamienK]

At 9/25/05 05:46 PM, Velocitom wrote:

At 9/25/05 05:42 PM, DamienK wrote: Well they're still fat and stupid so I won't help them out."

Do you base all of your information of america from what you have seen off of the simpsons? Or another fictional cartoon that is based in USA?

Nope, but the hypothetical person I was making fun of does.

You're making the same argument as me

[JohnGoody]

You know, I just don't get it sometimes. Why are some people so frightened of doing a little research?

To the topic creator, let me give you a hypothetical situation. There are two countries. Lets call them, oh say, Amerrikka and Unified Kingdom. Amerrikka has a population of 300 million whereas the Unified Kingdom has 60 million. However, what is notable is that Amerikka's poverty population is about 38 million while the Unified Kingdom's poverty population is only 7.4 million.

At first, it seems horrendous, but when one turns it into a percentage. Amerrikka's figure suddenly becomes 12.7% whereas the Unified Kingdom's firgure became 12.4%. They're eerily close, yet with a number, it seemed so much higher. Hmm, do you know the reason, Panda?

*Sigh*

The point of all of that is to show that when you take the poverty population into account, you also have to take the whole population into account. There is ALWAYS poverty, but to truly see if a country's poverty rate is truly horrendous in consideration of its situation, one must take a look at the big picture (the percentage) rather than the number, which you obviously were doing.

Anyway, pushing the topic aside as the usual "America sucks" BS, I could say that one good thing came from this. The next time Britain, France, or any other wester nation is hit with a terrible natural disaster, at least I know that Americans won't have to give aid. The vast majority of western nations are rich enough to cover pretty much any disaster, so why should we Americans give them aid?

After all, we hate their governments and it is an axiom that if the government of a country is bad, then that means the people of the country are bad...

[Me-Patch]

We don't have more poverty then anyone in the west, infact I'm pretty sure that we have less poverty than any other country in the west, and as far as giving us aid it's ok you don't have to it's not like we give more money in foreign aid than any other nation, or that we gave more than half of the relief for the tsunami.

[Hedonist-Hammurabi]

At 9/25/05 11:16 AM, pandaporn wrote: American is the richest country in the world yet it have one of the worst rates of poverty in the western. In New Orleans, almost every white person managed to evacuate and left behind a larger, poorer black community who couldn't afford to evacuate. I find it humorous that ever with the threat of drowning or dying in someother means, they still manage to loot shops for the "important" thing. No, I don't mean food, clothing or means of shelter, I mean televisons that the could hardly lift (so I doubt they were using them as floats) and couldn't plug in anywhere as power lines were cut.

As a single entity, the USA is a very rich country; but it's also a highly stratified one. There's a large gap between the rich and poor in America because we have a very LIBERAL economic system. There's much less government interference in our economy than, for example, the social democracies of Scandinavia. In the USA, there's no limit to how rich you can get and no limit to how poor you can be.

In another topic in Newgrounds, they said that they felt the hurricane was I good thing. In my opinion, the only good thing that came from the hurricane was how the rest of the world saw American, the American government and the stupidity of the people living in American and how America is divided between white rich America and poor black America.

You can't pidgeonhole our country into "rich white America" and "poor black America." Just because most rich people in our country are white does not mean that most white people in our country are rich. There are many poor white people and many rich black people in the USA. In fact, MOST of the people who are below the poverty line in America are white (source). Caucasians account for 51% of the American population that lives in poverty. The only racial group to experience a rise in poverty in recent years were the whites (source ). Besides whites and blacks, there are also other racial groups in the United States with high percentages of people in poverty. For example, a quarter of the Native American population lives below the poverty line. So you should really think of class and income as something that is separate from race.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/25/05 11:16 AM, pandaporn wrote: ..........financial aid

That's okay. We don't really need the £2 allowance your parents pay you anyway.

The U.S. didn't go out and solicit aid to this cause. Other nations and people around the world donated because they felt for the area and/or because they felt it was a good thing to do.

Obviously, you don't give a shit about anybody who goes through a disaster, so you can just keep your money to yourself, to save up for more weed.

[Demosthenez]

At 9/25/05 11:16 AM, pandaporn wrote: In my opinion, the only good thing that came from the hurricane was how the rest of the world saw American, the American government and the stupidity of the people living in American

So says a little ole 15 year old from buttfuck Scotland. I hate people like you with your percieved fuckin superiority over all Americans. You dont see me (or any Americans, for that matter) spreading my doctrine of "fuck the UK". How come it is only ok for assholes like you to pull shit like this? Why does the rest of the world feel it is ok to look down their snobbish noses at Americans?

And I hear people say all the time that AMERICANS are arrogant? My ass.

and how America is divided between white rich America and poor black America.

How the fuck do you know what America is like? Oh, thats right, you are from multi cultural Scotland where men of all races live in peace (laff). I mean, cause looking through a window from the outside always gives the most complete picture, even though said person cannot relate to ANYTHING going on inside.

You dont know SHIT about America so you sure as hell have no room to make blanket accusations that we are stupid and racists.

At 9/25/05 05:04 PM, toxic-shock wrote: the fact is america is the richest countrey

So we are rich.

but also has one of the highest rates of poverty.

So were poor? Damn kid, Shirke is right. You are so damn confused you have no idea what you are talking about. Want me to illustrate?

If I lived in a neighboorhood that its inhabitants earned 50 billion a year in combined earnings and 100 people lived there, but 1 of them pulled in 99.99% of all that cash, are they rich or poor? This is simple shit, bud. You are either rich or poor, not both.

the guy aslo said other countries shouldent help the hurricane victims, not that the shouldn't recive any help at all.

Are you on crack? That statement makes no sense.

i think they should be getting sent all the help they can get from americas own budget and maybe some light relife from europe, but thats my opinion.

Ok, bud. We will remember how petty you fuckers are next time you ever want help. 1000 people died and a city is under water and all you have to say is fuck them.

And wanna know what gets me? Its not the fact you arent giving money (I could care less if anyone does, we can handle our own shit but any help is great). Its the rampant hypocracy in your argument. America is expected to give copious amounts of money to others (tsunami anyone?) but when we have our own bad shit go down, all you people do is give us the finger. How bout we keep our own money from now on, fuck you? How bout we just become completly isolationist, fuck everyone? Thats what I want so stupid assholes like you can handle their own shit and not expect America to either do everything to make the world superb or nothing at all (we are always damned if we do, damned if we dont, we seem to never be able to satisfy the masses).

You have the BALLS to suggest when shit happens to the "richest" country in the world, they deserve no help? Its a good thing assholes like you didnt rule the world back in the 40's, cause if they did BOTH YOU and that TOPIC STARTERS ass would be speaking German.

[Gunter45]

At 9/25/05 06:41 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: How bout we keep our own money from now on, fuck you? How bout we just become completly isolationist, fuck everyone? Thats what I want so stupid assholes like you can handle their own shit and not expect America to either do everything to make the world superb or nothing at all (we are always damned if we do, damned if we dont, we seem to never be able to satisfy the masses).

Drop the hammer, Fab.

That's pretty much what I've said a couple times. If the world is going to give us grief about going into Yugoslavia, East Timor, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and yet lambast us when we don't go into Rwanda, why the hell should we care anymore? The fact that we continue to give aid and attempt to solve internal conflicts in other countries, dispite criticism shows the moral resolve of America. Sure we could become isolationist, and I would support it, wholeheartedly, is because we believe that as a powerful nation, we have a responsibility to the world to do our part to try and help out with problems as best we can.

I've been reading a lot of Einstein's writings lately, the man is absolutely fascinating. In any case, he spoke about isolationism in relation to America back in the 1920s, just after WWI. He writes: "The last war has shown that there are no longer any barriers between the continents and that the destinies of all countries are closely interwoven. The people of this country [America], must realize that they have a great responsibility in the sphere of international politics. The part of passive spectator is unworthy of this country and is bound to disaster all round."

[Tedi-Soldier]

At 9/25/05 11:35 AM, -poxpower- wrote: Its try that its pretty ridiculous for non-americans to be stuck helping out for the fucking hurricane.

I think most countries are just doing it to spite you guys and make the US looks even more like a bunch of retards. haha When fucking FRANCE is helping out, now that's just adding major insult to injury!

You're so cute when you're stupid.

[therealsylvos]

nuther qoute from einstein "The definition of insanity: One Who watches the same thing over again yet expects a different result" whatever we do they will hate us ain't nothing we can do to change it. believing that buy themselves theyll grow up is insanity

[fahrenheit]

At 9/25/05 05:55 PM, DamienK wrote: Nope, but the hypothetical person I was making fun of does.

So you base absolutly nothing on when you say america is full of white fat rich people?
Thats a hoot and a hollar, considering only 20% of america is obese.

[therealsylvos]

At 9/25/05 07:18 PM, Velocitom wrote:

At 9/25/05 05:55 PM, DamienK wrote: Nope, but the hypothetical person I was making fun of does.

So you base absolutly nothing on when you say america is full of white fat rich people?
Thats a hoot and a hollar, considering only 20% of america is obese.

is it just me or are most people these days tottally unable to catch onto sarcasm?

[fahrenheit]

At 9/25/05 07:22 PM, therealsylvos wrote: is it just me or are most people these days tottally unable to catch onto sarcasm?

Why dont you look through some of my posts and see.

[DamienK]

At 9/25/05 07:29 PM, Velocitom wrote:

At 9/25/05 07:22 PM, therealsylvos wrote: is it just me or are most people these days tottally unable to catch onto sarcasm?

Why dont you look through some of my posts and see.

It happens to the best of us. Being that there are no voice inflections in text. : )

[fahrenheit]

At 9/25/05 07:53 PM, DamienK wrote: It happens to the best of us. Being that there are no voice inflections in text. : )

Yeah, and since I have no idea what the word "hypothecal" means. The closest thing I can think of is hypothesis which is an educated guess.

How that would fit in there I wont know.