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At 9/26/05 09:55 PM, seventy-one wrote:

At 9/26/05 09:32 PM, Non-existant12 wrote:
hmm... maybe you just know nothing about politics?

You're saying Lincoln didn't want to free the slaves.
You must know nothing about history.

Lincoln didn't even free the slaves, congress did. The proclomation only freed slaves in the south where he had no power. Any state on his side didn't lose its slaves. (yes there were people in the north that had slaves). You need to read more indepth

im sure people have mentione leonardo da vinci, he wasnt on the first list, woulda bin top of mine along with archimides (sp) aristotle and newton.

political leaders such as michael collins and daniell o'connell would be on my list to, simply because of the affect they have had on my country.

At 9/26/05 06:07 PM, seventy-one wrote:

And again I ask you, who are you to say Hitler was a great man?

I'm a person who understands the definition of the word great

Remarkable or outstanding in magnitude, degree, or extent: a great crisis.
Of outstanding significance or importance: a great work of art.

I think the magnitude of effect that Hitler had was great. I think he was of outstanding significance and importance to history. A great leader.

You honestly don't think he fits the definition just because he wasn't a superfriend?

Stephen Hawking
Gregor Mendell
and Newton should be on there

Abraham was a joke about Abraham Lincoln, get it now?

In no particular order (for today),

The World’s Greatest

Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Isaac Newton
Martin Luther King
Bill Gates
William Shakespeare
Franklin Roosevelt
Charles Darwin
Christopher Columbus
Tim Berners-Lee
Nelson Mandela
Mohandas Gandhi
John Kennedy
Julius Caesar
Galileo Galilei
Leo Baekeland
Aristotle (Socrates and Plato)
James Watson & Francis Crick
Alexander Fleming
Rachel Carson
Ludwig Wittgenstein
Edwin Hubble
Enrico Fermi
Walt Disney
Sigmund Freud
Louis Armstrong
Johannes Gutenberg
Terry Fox
Niccolo Machiavelli
Karl Marx
Benjamin Franklin
Adam Smith
Leonardo da Vinci
Winston Churchill,
Ben Franklin
Wright brothers
Jonas Salk
Wernher von Braun
Salvador Dalí

Removed
Henry Ford
Adolf Hitler

Pending
Che Guevara
Alexander the Great
John Lennon

Fight about the “pending” greats and why or why not they deserve to be on this list please. I also ask that you do this with out any flaming.

At 9/27/05 05:39 PM, CadillacClock wrote:

Pending
Che Guevara

no, he was in one successful revolution and 2 failed ones and has spawned a generation of middle class socialists with a che t-shirt for everyday of the week, he should be stricken from the list purely for producing such an anoying group of ppl.

Alexander the Great

most definatly, he was one of the greatest military leaders of all time and many of his basic ideas and tactics are still used or have been modified and used in modern day warfare.

John Lennon

he was a great musician, but i wouldnt class him as one of the greatest human beings ever, altho his influence in the world of musics is only parralleled by the likes of elvis.

If you agree dispute why and give a good and valid reason!

1. Albert Einstein
2. Mohandas Gandhi
3. Isaac Newton
4. Martin Luther King
5. Benjamin Franklin
6. Nelson Mandela
7. Tim Berners-Lee
8. Edwin Hubble
9. Wernher von Braun
10. Galileo Galilei
11. Jonas Salk
12. Franklin Roosevelt
13. Martin Luther
14. Christopher Columbus
15. Abraham Lincoln
16. John F. Kennedy
17. James Watson*
18. Charles Darwin
19. Ludwig Wittgenstein
20. Alexander Fleming
21. Wright brothers
22. Rachel Carson
23. Leo Baekeland
24. Alexander the Great
25. Johannes Gutenberg
26. Adam Smith
27. Winston Churchill
28. Niccolo Machiavelli
29. Aristotle**
30. William Shakespeare
31. Julius Caesar
32. Leo Baekeland
33. Sigmund Freud
34. Leonardo Da Vinci

Still Pending -
Louis Armstrong
Karl Marx
Enrico Fermi
Walt Disney
Salvador Dalí

walt disney? whoop-de-do he made an amusemnt park and made kids happy nothing to great defintly not top 100. also due to the fact of all the child molestation around disney that kind of takes away from the goodnes aspect of great no?

At 9/27/05 09:43 PM, therealsylvos wrote: walt disney? whoop-de-do he made an amusemnt park and made kids happy nothing to great defintly not top 100. also due to the fact of all the child molestation around disney that kind of takes away from the goodnes aspect of great no?

He was revolutionary in the field of animation. Especially with the way they were drawn. He would have a team of key frame animators do the really important frames and have a bunch of lower level animators fill in the blanks. Sound familiar? That's because it's heavily incorporated into any animation software worth having.

Damn, dude. Jesus existed. Buddha existed. Mohammed existed. And even if they didnt, you not adding them just shows how stupid this damn list is.

----------------Jesus-----------------
Will Durant-Secular scholar Will Durant, who left the Catholic Church and embraced humanism, also dismisses the idea in Caesar and Christ
That a few simple men should in one generation have invented so powerful and appealing a personality, so loft an ethic and so inspiring a vision of human brotherhood, would be a miracle far more incredible than any recorded in the Gospel. After two centuries of Higher Criticism the outlines of the life, character, and teaching of Christ, remain reasonably clear, and constitute the most fascinating feature of the history of Western man.

Rudolf Bultmann -Even the famously liberal Professor Bultmann, who argued against the historicity of much of the gospels, questions the reasonableness of Jesus Mythers themselves in Jesus and the Word.
Of course the doubt as to whether Jesus really existed is unfounded and not worth refutation. No sane person can doubt that Jesus stands as founder behind the historical movement whose first distinct stage is represented by the Palestinian community.

Robert Van Voorst -It is also obvious that the diverse and all but completely unanimous opinion of modern Jesus scholars and relevant historians remain completely unconvinced by the Jesus Myth arguments. Robert Van Voosrt writes in Jesus Outside the New Testament:
Contemporary New Testament scholars have typically viewed their arguments as so weak or bizarre that they relegate them to footnotes, or often ignore them completely.... The theory of Jesus' nonexistence is now effectively dead as a scholarly question.
http://www.bede.org.uk/price1.htm

---------------Mohammed---------------
However, the historicity of the biographical material about Muhammad presented in the Summary above is not generally contested. Traditionalists, both Muslim and non-Muslim, paint a much more detailed picture of Muhammad's life, as described below.
http://en.wikipedia...ow_about_Muhammad.3F

Seriously, take a friggin history class. Between the hadith and the sira it is UNDENIABLE he existed. Then you have the accounts of his ansar and the first Khalifah, Abu Bakr. He existed. Period.

--------------Buddha------------------
The historicity of Gotama Buddha has good support from many archaeological finds, including urns containing the remains of the Buddha and his two chief disciples (at different sites in India). Also, ruins of some of the cities mentioned in the ancient Pali texts have been found. Perhaps more importantly, Mahavira (an important figure in the Jain religion) is mentioned in the Buddhist scriptures, and Gotama is also mentioned in some Jain texts of that era. So each religion validates the historical existence of the other one's teacher.

http://www.ronaldbru..ants/0408almanac.htm

I refuse to go into more of them. You should know they exist, despite the fact secularlists think their lives were largely dramatized and mythologized. And even if they didnt exist, it doesnt matter. Their effect is HUGE.

Abraham existed. Moses existed. Confucius existed. Even if their lives were not as true as their religious texts state, they were real. Stop being stupid.

Jesus, you atheists are friggin dumb as shit sometimes.

At 9/27/05 05:39 PM, CadillacClock wrote: Tim Berners-Lee

Who is Berners-Lee?

a guy lacking on the list is Napoleon bonaparte
not only for his achievements on the battlefield, but also for his Code Napoleon. plus after the fall of napoleon you see the rising of an alliance of nations (russia, england, france and germany) that controled europe sort of in the way of the security council of the UN.

At 9/28/05 07:34 AM, nimmer wrote:

At 9/27/05 05:39 PM, CadillacClock wrote: Tim Berners-Lee

Who is Berners-Lee?

a guy lacking on the list is Napoleon bonaparte
not only for his achievements on the battlefield, but also for his Code Napoleon. plus after the fall of napoleon you see the rising of an alliance of nations (russia, england, france and germany) that controled europe sort of in the way of the security council of the UN.

Tim Berners-Lee, he helped in creating the internet you're using right now.

Look I'd put the buddha on there but his birth is displayed as far to mystical and thus his existance looks like a farce.

Mo. Actually believable I will concider and think of where to place him.

Jesus, yeah but people have been trying to prove and disprove his existance since his very dawn on the Earth.

Now not to sound like a very unbelieving believer but you have to remember all the bad things the Church did before you show all the high holiness of them.

I'm still surprised you don't have Napoleon Bonapart (sp?)

The only time france had a militiristic snowballs chance. While he failed, he revolutionized the government of France and all of Europe.

At 9/27/05 06:19 AM, SmilingAssasin wrote:

At 9/26/05 06:07 PM, seventy-one wrote: who are you to say Hitler was a great man?

At 9/27/05 02:13 AM, TurnipClock wrote:

Very few people have accomplished what he has.

What.... starting THE biggest war this planet has ever seen, almost wiping out an entire race of people from europe, raping, burning and looting the best part of western russia, causing the almost total destruction of most european cities and killing millions of people? Yeah i'd say that was a pretty good thing wouldnt you?

You can't lay the full blame on Hitler for WW2. There were many factors such as (but not limited to):
-The treaty of versailles
-Growing nationalism
-Dissent of foreign nations
-Germany was in economic ruin untill the epoch of WW2
-Great Britain turned a continental war into a world war by declaring war on Germany
-The Sino-Japanese wars

Objections to what you say:
-You fail to acknowledge that Germany wasn't the only nation in the Axis, it only had occupation in Europe, and Africa
-The Japanese (since the turn of the 20th century) and the Russians (after advancing on the Reich) were notoriously involved in rapes
-Reich soldiers were harshly discouraged from fornicating with German people (although it did happen, just no where near the scale of Japan and Russia)
-The best part of western Russia was already fucked over by the Bolsheviks
-Germany had no involvment in the Pacific Theatre
-Germany announced that if the Jews did not leave Europe he would force them out
-Millions of Jews were deported to the middle-east

Mao and Stalin were worse than Hitler

I still dun see Gregor Mendell on anyones list.... I think he deserves it... Also if were talking about most inluential people in history you should throw in religious figures such as Jesus, Abraham, Sidhartha, Muhamad...... I dont believe anything any of em say... but they were important in history... But my main Beff is ADD GREGOR MENDELL!!!!!!

At 9/28/05 07:58 AM, CadillacClock wrote:

Jesus, yeah but people have been trying to prove and disprove his existance since his very dawn on the Earth.

It's not that they're trying to disprove his existance. It's trying to prove or disprove weather or not what he teached was truth.

Bobby Sands should be in there.

At 9/27/05 08:52 PM, CadillacClock wrote: If you agree dispute why and give a good and valid reason!

1. Albert Einstein
2. Mohandas Gandhi
3. Isaac Newton
4. Martin Luther King
5. Benjamin Franklin
6. Nelson Mandela
7. Tim Berners-Lee
8. Edwin Hubble
9. Wernher von Braun
10. Galileo Galilei
11. Jonas Salk
12. Franklin Roosevelt
13. Martin Luther
14. Christopher Columbus
15. Abraham Lincoln
16. John F. Kennedy
17. James Watson*
18. Charles Darwin
19. Ludwig Wittgenstein
20. Alexander Fleming
21. Wright brothers
22. Rachel Carson
23. Leo Baekeland
24. Alexander the Great
25. Johannes Gutenberg
26. Adam Smith
27. Winston Churchill
28. Niccolo Machiavelli
29. Aristotle**
30. William Shakespeare
31. Julius Caesar
32. Leo Baekeland
33. Sigmund Freud
34. Leonardo Da Vinci

Still Pending -
Louis Armstrong
Karl Marx
Enrico Fermi
Walt Disney
Salvador Dalí

OY!!
I'm glad you put da Vinci up there, but what's wrong with the other people I posted? Let me go more in-depth on some of them.

Confucius & Lao Tse:
Philosophers with a huge impact on east Asian culture in general.

Qin Shi Huangdi:
Uniified China and expanded fortresses on the northern border to build the Great Wall.

Sun Tzu:
One of the first tacticians who inspired generals for centuries.

Sima Qian:
Historian who covered 2000 years of Chinese history and biographed Sun Tzu and Confucius.

Mao & Stalin:
Huge impact on China and Russia but if Hitler's off the list then maybe they don't belong on it.

Genghis Khan:
He and his son conquered nearly everything between Korea and Poland. Huge impact on most of the world.

Charlemagne:
Unified Germany, France and northern Italy, was crowned holy Roman emperor by the pope, converted the barabrians to christianity, started schools and brought back some sense of culture in the west.

Why are they not listed? Am I not important enough???!!
I need a hug :'(

The Ramones influenced everybody.

You're also missing Michael Faraday on there. One, if not the, greatest experimentor that ever walked the earth.

Clara Barton - Civil War nurse, founder of the American Red Cross.
Barton was the President of the American National Red Cross for twenty-two years. Under her leadership, she adopted the framework of the Red Cross to fit the needs of the United States not only during wartime but in peacetime.

Harriet Tubman - Underground Railroad conductor, Army scout, African-American suffragette.
In all she is believed to have conducted approximately 300 persons to freedom in the North.

Dr. Solomon A. Berson & Rosalyn Sussman Yalow (she was the second woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize) - They created a new analytic technique called the radioimmunoassay, or the RIA, which allowed quantifying very small amounts of biological substances in body fluids using radioactive-labeled material. They made it possible for doctors to diagnose conditions caused by minute changes in hormone levels.

Amelia Earhart - Crossed the Atlantic solo. Congress awarded her the Distinguished Flying Cross-the first ever given to a woman. At the ceremony, Vice President Charles Curtis praised her courage, saying she displayed "heroic courage and skill as a navigator at the risk of her life." Earhart felt the flight proved that men and women were equal in "jobs requiring intelligence, coordination, speed, coolness and willpower."

Mother Teresa - Mother Teresa's work has been recognised and acclaimed throughout the world and she has received a number of awards and distinctions, including the Pope John XXIII Peace Prize (1971) and the Nehru Prize for her promotion of international peace and understanding (1972).

Barbara McClintock - Nearly half of the human genome is composed of transposable elements or jumping DNA. First recognized in the 1940s by Dr. Barbara McClintock in studies of peculiar inheritance patterns found in the colors of Indian corn, jumping DNA refers to the idea that some stretches of DNA are unstable and "transposable," i.e., they can move around—on and between chromosomes.
This theory was confirmed in the 1980s when scientists observed jumping DNA in other genomes. Now scientists believe transposons may be linked to some genetic disorders such as hemophilia, leukemia, and breast cancer. They also believe that transposons may have played critical roles in human evolution. woo cut&paste

Emperor Charles V °1500 Ghent, He inherited not only the holy roman empire but also spain and it's colonies he ruled an empire where the sun never went down. tried in vain to conquer France and tried to find a way out of the religious tensions of that era.

At 9/28/05 07:58 AM, CadillacClock wrote: Jesus, yeah but people have been trying to prove and disprove his existance since his very dawn on the Earth.

You are offically a pigheaded, closeminded atheist. I just completly proved his existence in the mind of experts and you throw in out the window.

This list is bogus, you are closeminded, you completly ignore every rational thought that you dont produce.

Here, let me spell it out to you. There have been literaly TONS of famous thinkers who never wrote out their own thoughts and had others do it for them. Wanna know the most famous? Socrates.

Yes, that is correct. He never wrote a single thing. He was only biographied and wrote about by others like, suprise suprise, Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Buddha, Zeno of Citium, Zoroaster, Thales (the FIRST Greek philosopher and FATHER of science), and Homer among tons of others.

Moses wrote stuff. Confucius wrote stuff. Others who you refuse to include because of your pigheadeness wrote stuff. No decent scholar doubts the existence of these people. You are just being petty. Hell,m even under your "burden of proof" we may not be able to prove Alexander existed. I mean, he only had others write about him and left nothing concrete. How do we know Alexander wasnt several people packed into one? How do we know he was not a triumvirate of poeple?

Because many other people wrote about him and we trust they arent lying. And its not like all the accounts of his life are all the same. EVERYONE tells a similar yet different story. Mythical accounts of his life are added.

And you want to know how we know Jesus is real? MANY different people met him and talked about his life in the Bible. And they then were KILLED for their beliefs. That is quite a lie to die over, hmm? And Matthew wrote like we would expect a classically trained physican to, very literary, unlike the largely uneducated other disciples.

Still dont want to believe the Bible, they all lied, were all made up, every character (what a laugh)? Fine. Please, read this.

How I compare your idea of history is like how everyone thought about Troy. They all thought it wasnt real. Not until a GUNRUNNER, of all people, actually decided LOOK FOR THE CITY WHERE IT SHOULD BE did people finally figure out it was real and a war was fought there around the time described in the Illiad. You are letting your bias interfere with logic.

i think my list would include Charles Darwin , Peter The Great, Czar Nicholoi, Thomas jefferson , Thomas alva edison, Nikolia Tesla, Johnas Salk, Theodore Roosevelt,
Johan sebastian Bach

please add "Lao Tsu"

for those of you who didn't know, 2500 years ago Lao Tsu wrote the tao te ching, which spawned taoism, one of the most widely spread philosophies across the world.

I think he certainly deserves a spot.

Oh, and Che Guevara most certainly deserves a spot, for his selflessness, comradery, and bravery. Unfortunately, capitalists today have distorted his image a lot...

oh i have to remove edison cause he is an asshole if you know about the current wars youl know what i mean

At 9/28/05 05:19 PM, ScottSutherland wrote: please add "Lao Tsu"

His life is so mythologized there is no certainty he existed. I would still add him though, for what is attributed to him and what spawned because of him (whether real or not) are great. Not even as close as important as Confucius, but important nonetheless.

Top 100 most influential? Debatable. There are a lot of important people. This list is so modern history heavy, many of the most imporant thinkers of all time are not on here that are from ancient times.

for those of you who didn't know, 2500 years ago Lao Tsu wrote the tao te ching, which spawned taoism, one of the most widely spread philosophies across the world.

Oh, and Che Guevara most certainly deserves a spot, for his selflessness, comradery, and bravery. Unfortunately, capitalists today have distorted his image a lot...

Not even close to top 100 most important people of all history, even the last 100 years. Che Guevara is just a feel good story of a guy who stood up for what he believed for. Thats it. He did close to nothing of lasting importance.

At 9/28/05 05:19 PM, I_AM_ZEUS wrote: oh i have to remove edison cause he is an asshole if you know about the current wars youl know what i mean

Yeah, hes an asshole. Creating DC current and all the generators and wires and insulation needed to use it, lighting the first houses, lighting the first city block, making 37mm film, phonographs, first movies, (could go on forever).

You are a dumbass.

These are just some off the top of my head, there are probably plenty who fit in the cracks. However I consider Caesar and Pompey equal.

Heres my List

Teddy Roosevelt
Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Pompey the great)
Gaius Julius Caesar
Trajan
Marcus Aurelius
Rasputin
Alexander the great
Herodotus
Charlemagne
Oda Nobunaga

Tesla NEEDS to be on this list. He is as important, if not more important than Edison. He practically invented modern electricity and radio and a bunch of mundane stuff as well like the spedometer.

He's pretty much the archetypal Mad Scientist.

PLATO!!!!!!!

come on birth of modern philosphy