Technology for Weather Engineering

[armanddarke]

I believe Katrina was man-made. Act of God? I don't think so, but you decide.

Methods of Artificial Weather Manipulation(AWM) help agriculture, devastate the enemy and control the world economy

Staff Reporter
Mar. 27, 2005

Scientists, Weather Engineers and Space Specialists are working towards something that can change human civilization forever! It is the method of artificial weather modification. The process when perfected, can help in agriculture, getting rid of droughts, floods and avoid cyclones and typhoons. It is also the process by which the enemy can be devastated, artificial floods, cyclones and typhoons created. It can allow controlling the world economy and agricultural commodity markets.

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What do you guys think?

[Evark]

At 9/22/05 02:16 AM, armanddarke wrote: What do you guys think?

I think it's complete bullshit. It sounds way too much like something a Hollywood writer would come up with, besideswhich, the article was definitely not written in a journalistic style.

Also: there is no SINGLE factor that controls the weather. Weather is affected by solar radiation, weather is affected by intricate patterns of heating and cooling, weather is affected by motions in the large bodies of water that inhabit our earth, weather is affected by climate, which is gauged by proximity to the equator which is the area on the earth with the smallest amount of change in terms of how close or how far away from the sun it is, weather is affected by many minute details that your or I would never understand. It's no single thing.

Sure, we could in theory affect some small aspects of the weather by messing with the factors that go into it, but it wouldn't really amount to all that much, simply because there is far too much beyond our control.

I do not think Katrina was man-made, and I do not think Rita is man-made. They are two natural disasters beyond our control. I do not understand why human instincts has it so important to label things as within the control of something. Religion has served this purpose for many a generation, more recently, government has started to replace religion as the means through which people realize that everything is under some form of control.

Chaos is the natural way, we have no control, nobody or nothing does. The second people accept that is the second that we stop having these ridiculous articles and ridiculous theories about how human experimentation is the explanation for something completely random, that we could not control.

Essentially: shit happens. Deal with it, move on, don't bother explaining it because you're probably wrong.

This wasn't a personal attack against you, just your thought that Katrina was man-made, and the article with which you used to support your thinking. I don't agree.

[armanddarke]

I think it's complete bullshit. It sounds way too much like something a Hollywood writer would come up with, besideswhich, the article was definitely not written in a journalistic style.

The problem I see here with your knee-jerk response is that because it sounds too "hollywood", the mind of scientists and those with great minds are limited. I believe when it comes to science (weather=science), anything is possible.

You're a classic example of close-mindedness.

Also: there is no SINGLE factor that controls the weather. Weather is affected by solar radiation, weather is affected by intricate patterns of heating and cooling, weather is affected by motions in the large bodies of water that inhabit our earth, weather is affected by climate, which is gauged by proximity to the equator which is the area on the earth with the smallest amount of change in terms of how close or how far away from the sun it is, weather is affected by many minute details that your or I would never understand. It's no single thing.

Funny, all those factors that come into play when affecting weather is all based on science. Did you even watch the video I posted? Obviously you didn't.

Technology for manipulating weather exists, that's a fact. Whether you want to believe it or not doesn't matter, what matters is that the possibilities are there and can be utilized by human minds. You can't even consider the possiblity, which I find rather silly.

http://twm.co.nz/wxwar.html

Sure, we could in theory affect some small aspects of the weather by messing with the factors that go into it, but it wouldn't really amount to all that much, simply because there is far too much beyond our control.

Far too much beyond our control? You seem so sure of yourself. Such confidence is impressive. I guess you have beliefs in a God or perhaps believe that the intelligence of man is restricted to a certain extent. That nature is not science? And that science is also "beyond our control"?

I do not think Katrina was man-made, and I do not think Rita is man-made. They are two natural disasters beyond our control. I do not understand why human instincts has it so important to label things as within the control of something. Religion has served this purpose for many a generation, more recently, government has started to replace religion as the means through which people realize that everything is under some form of control.

Again, technology exists that does NOT make it "beyond our control". So until you begin this simple fact, then you will understand the at the very least the possibilities are there. I do not belive Katrina or Rita was out of mere coincidence. The direction it was going (TARGET: NEW ORLEANS) is simply not just "nature's will". I see a purpose behind it. You may not see it, but that's okay. You must be one of many who believe that our government is this benevolent force protecting mankind.

You are aware that AIDS was man-made, right? The proof is out there. Most people won't even ponder the idea, but the information is out there.

That's man doing that. What makes you so sure man cannot control the weather through means of science?

Chaos is the natural way, we have no control, nobody or nothing does. The second people accept that is the second that we stop having these ridiculous articles and ridiculous theories about how human experimentation is the explanation for something completely random, that we could not control.

Chaos is the natural way. Hmm. No, I don't believe so. Chaos is perpetrated by man's own inability to understand what is front of him. In other words, there is more than meets the eye.

Essentially: shit happens. Deal with it, move on, don't bother explaining it because you're probably wrong.

No, shit doesn't just happen. There's a reason for everything. A logical explaination for even the most disastrous events in human history, and yes, that includes hurricanes. If you want to blame on "nature", then so be it. You are not alone. But I'm not alone either.

This wasn't a personal attack against you, just your thought that Katrina was man-made, and the article with which you used to support your thinking. I don't agree.

Again, it's quite obvious you have not watched the video.

The Technology exists. Period.

[TheShrike]

You're a fucking looney.

[ScaryDeadGirl]

Haha, I think it was the Daily show that joked about Middle Eastern countries using giant fans to create the Hurricane Katrina.

[Evark]

At 9/22/05 03:53 AM, armanddarke wrote: The problem I see here with your knee-jerk response is that because it sounds too "hollywood", the mind of scientists and those with great minds are limited. I believe when it comes to science (weather=science), anything is possible.

No. You misread what I said. "too Hollywood" was implying that your article was fictitous, and not fact-based. Essentially, it was written to sensationalize, and you were sucked right in.

You're a classic example of close-mindedness.

Uh, I'm completely open-minded, it's just that your article contained no single mention of scientific evidence besides a half-assed explanation that "This is what weather comes from, and we're figuring out how to control it."

Funny, all those factors that come into play when affecting weather is all based on science. Did you even watch the video I posted? Obviously you didn't.

You posted an article. When I saw it last night there was no video to be had, unless I missed something, which I don't care about anyway. A video pretty much backs up my "too Hollywood" statement anyway.

Technology for manipulating weather exists, that's a fact.

Only on a small scale. We can manipulate the weather inside a greenhouse, for example, because we know that carbon dioxide traps heat well, in addition to being essential for photosynthesis to occur in plants.

http://twm.co.nz/wxwar.html

Real credible source. Lemme tell you. Copyrighted 1998 and referring to the Soviet Union.

Far too much beyond our control? You seem so sure of yourself. Such confidence is impressive. I guess you have beliefs in a God or perhaps believe that the intelligence of man is restricted to a certain extent. That nature is not science? And that science is also "beyond our control"?

Uh... no. I am a practicing atheist. I'm open-minded about the subject, but as science does not accept something as true without proof to back it up, I do not blindly accept God as real without some form of proof. Same reason why I won't blindly accept your theory as true without some decent proof. You've provided none.

Again, technology exists that does NOT make it "beyond our control". So until you begin this simple fact, then you will understand the at the very least the possibilities are there.

I already stated that I believed the possibility for weather control was there. It's just not possible right now, since there are so many factors involved in it. The earth is an ENORMOUS enclosed environment. I already said there could be some aspects we can play around with and make some minute changes to, but by and large, we won't affect weather majorly in a way that provides us control over it.

I do not belive Katrina or Rita was out of mere coincidence.

You're lecturing me on science when you have blindly rejected the fact that Hurricanes have been occuring like this for centuries and centuries in this exact same way and all of a sudden NOW they're controlled based on very little scientific evidence and a whole lot of heresay? Seems pretty foolish to me.

You must be one of many who believe that our government is this benevolent force protecting mankind.

No I don't. They're not destroying via the weather either.

You are aware that AIDS was man-made, right? The proof is out there. Most people won't even ponder the idea, but the information is out there.

The THEORY is out there, but no proof. So no, I do not think the AIDS virus is man-made.

No, shit doesn't just happen. There's a reason for everything. A logical explaination for even the most disastrous events in human history, and yes, that includes hurricanes. If you want to blame on "nature", then so be it.

Of course there is a logical explanation for these events. There's also a crazy explanation for them, and the conspiracy theory, and the secondary theory, and a whole bunch of other equally invalid but impressively elaborate theories. The logical explanation is: "This is hurricane season, New Orleans is right next to the hurricane breeding grounds, next to a large, warm body of water that allows a hurricane to feed and grow stronger. A hurricane occured during hurrican season and grew stronger on its way to New Orleans, and then hit."

Again, it's quite obvious you have not watched the video.

I saw no video, only a poorly assembled article. So, sure.

The Technology exists. Period.

I don't think it does. You haven't done much to prove otherwise.

Note: I just went back and attempted to watch the video. It's in Real Media format, and I don't have RealPlayer, so fuck that. My comments are based on the article you provided.

[Demosthenez]

At 9/22/05 03:53 AM, armanddarke wrote: Funny, all those factors that come into play when affecting weather is all based on science. Did you even watch the video I posted? Obviously you didn't.

Have you ever taken a science class? There is no way a machine could control all the variables that go into making a rain storm, let alone a fukcin hurricane. I will list everything this "technology" would need to do to control the weather, if need be.

Again, technology exists that does NOT make it "beyond our control".

BULLSHIT. That is like saying I can send lightning at you. Im ZEUS MOTHERFUCKER!!

You are aware that AIDS was man-made, right? The proof is out there. Most people won't even ponder the idea, but the information is out there.

Show this proof. I will then show you my proof of how it was not man made.

Chaos is the natural way. Hmm. No, I don't believe so. Chaos is perpetrated by man's own inability to understand what is front of him. In other words, there is more than meets the eye.

Heard of entropy ever dumb fuck? Apparently not by this retarted ass comment.

No, shit doesn't just happen. There's a reason for everything. A logical explaination for even the most disastrous events in human history, and yes, that includes hurricanes. If you want to blame on "nature", then so be it. You are not alone. But I'm not alone either.

Lol, what was the human that caused the little ice age? And I bet those evil mongols or something genetically engineered small pox back in the day. And what evil dinosaur wiped their species out?

Jesus christ. You are SO dumb. Take a science class once, will ya, please?

Again, it's quite obvious you have not watched the video.

Your "video" doesnt work for me. Oh, and my comments were an attack. You are stupid as shit. You deserve to be belittled and laughed at.

[agreenblinker]

The problem is that your theory completely discounts the idea of variables in weather patterns. a tree in Brasil could theorettally cange a weather pattern on the other side of the world.

Do we have things that can manupulate weather? Yes, mostly in the form of cloud seeding in very localised regions (i.e. around airports to clear up fog). But to create a wether system on the scale of Katrina is impossible - simply put to much energy is required.

Major weather trends are cause by the interaction between ocean and land combined with the tilt of the Earth. Water (which is 70% of the Earth) takes A LOT of energy to heat up one degree in a region the size of the Gulf of Mexico. Unless there is are thousands of powerplants out there that only a select few people know about pumping heat into the world, it simply could not happen... non point source pollution on the other hand (but I digress).

Go sit in on a meterology class before you go out making these kind of accusations.

[armanddarke]

The video does work. You have to wait at least 30 seconds to load up. It's well worth the wait.

Sigh. Resorting to name-calling and intimidation is so childish. Please, it's obvious you guys don't want to be bothered in doing your own research. Heard of google? Oh wait, but it's too hard to believe, right? Sorry for wasting your time. Continue being the sheeple. :)

[ Don't worry, you're not alone. ]

Oh and I didn't say technology can create a hurricane from scratch, what I failed to mention was that the technology exists to give direction to it, to steer it to the desired destination.

Too hard to swallow? Too hollywood? Not for me it isn't.

Here's more info:

More Support for An "Undeclared Global Weather War?"

America at the BrinkWeather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005

Owning the Weather in 2025

Oh and...watch the video. The Science is there.

Interesting quote, don't you think?

[Gunter45]

You do realize that we can barely predict where hurricanes go, much less control them. Even if we could, do you know how much power it would take in order to ionize that much air that quickly in order to create an artificial low pressure zone? Or how much it would take to heat up thousands of square miles of ocean to produce a hurricane? There's not a nation on earth that could foot that kind of electricity bill, even if we had the technology. There's not an ounce of evidence to support that humans have come close to being able to effect global weather, it's ludacris.

[Ravens-Grin]

At 9/22/05 04:51 PM, armanddarke wrote: Sigh. Resorting to name-calling and intimidation is so childish. Please, it's obvious you guys don't want to be bothered in doing your own research.

Not reading what you give us. Come on man, I know you didn't read the report about owning the weather in 2025. If you did, then you would see that the technology is not there, it's not feasible.

Another thing, have you read the summary for the Weather Modification Act? It simply talks about cloud seeding, which was created during the 40's. All that cloud seeding is is injecting a cloud with dry ice. Some technology, right?

Controlling the weather is not possible. The energy required in a short amount of time to create a storm, and continuously renew this energy, is almost impossible to achieve. As well as that, transferring this energy into a feasible, predictable way is IMPOSSIBLE. In order to do it in a predictable way, one must know the weather of not only the Earth, but as well as the Sun. Solar flares and solar radiation profoundly effect the weather. This can be seen by the increase of storm systems during the peak solar years.

Overall, Weather Modification is BS unless you're talking about modifying storms that are already there. And even when you are altering the storms that exists, the effect on them is extremely limited! Look at Project Stormfury that the US Government did during the 60's if you really want to.

[armanddarke]

Here's your scientific evidence:

"Hyperdimensional Katrina": Scientific Evidence!

[Jordannguyen]

there is research going into controlling the weather....however i believe that it is far from the testing stage.

[Redbob86]

If they actually DO come up with the technology to control weather, even on a very local scale, it's going to have serious consequences. You are talking about manipulating the forces of nature, this CANNOT go smoothly.

Chaning some rainfall here, may cause severe droughts or floods over there. A slight direction of wind patterns can cause serious changes in golbal weather and ocean currents, which in turn will change the weather of wherever THEY are going, it's just one big mess.

Just let this idea drop. We've already caused enough destruction trying to gain as much control as possible, this can only make it worse.

Remember, anyone who desires THAT much power probably shouldn't be trusted to have it.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Colonial hurricane of 1635.
Great Hurricane of 1780.
Cape May hurricane of 1821.
Galveston Hurricane of 1900.

Just to name a few out of hundreds. Are you going to attribute these to man-made weapons, too? Deadly and destructive hurricanes have been affecting the coast of the U.S. since it was founded.

[IllustriousPotentate]

On a more thorough look through, I've decided that this is even more rediculous than I first thought.

A lot of it focuses on cloud seeding as proof of weather modification. The effectiveness of cloud seeding to even make precipitation is debatable; positing that it could be used to create a system as large and complex as a full blown hurricane and steer it to a particular area is rediculous.

Another part of it focuses on manipulating and ionizing the ionosphere using high-frequency radio waves, even though:

"The frequencies used by the HAARP facility are in the High Frequency (HF) portion of the spectrum. Electromagnetic radiation in the HF frequency range is non-ionizing - as opposed to the sun's ultraviolet and X-ray radiation whose photons have sufficient energy to be ionizing. "

Weather isn't caused by electromagnetic radiation anyway. If it was, we would see significant weather changes with solar flares and storms. Weather and weather systems are caused by a heat inbalance on the earth.

Of course, what do you expect from sites that claim jet contrails to actually be sprays of toxic, sometimes deadly chemicals?

That one "Enterprise" site shows the "vortex" that was wrapping around the New Orleans radar site several days before Katrina hit. I've seen those several times from the National Weather Service radar in Atlanta, too. If these bands are evidence of aiming a hurricane, then why didn't a massive hurricane hit Atlanta a couple of weeks after I saw these?

[Gunter45]

At 9/24/05 04:21 PM, armanddarke wrote: Here's your scientific evidence:

"Hyperdimensional Katrina": Scientific Evidence!

Wow, if someone was aiming directly at New Orleans, like the website suggests, they must be a crappy shot, seeing as how the hurricane didn't directly hit it. Even still, all I see is that the guy is saying, "It looks weird, so, instead of it being a result of natural phenomena, I'm going to go with... manmade." The jump from a strange looking weather pattern to saying that something so unpredictable as a hurricane was man made and controlled is not only far from scientific, it's out and out ridiculous. In order to believe something like that, you would have to want to believe that the hurricane was manmade from the start, and that's hardly a scientific approach.

[Demosthenez]

I read through basically that entire sites current front page and some of the links that were provided. I will admit, it is very well done.

I would like to say some things, though. There is not nearly enough information that making blanket accusations that Katrina was man made (or steered is a better word) can be even close to accepted. Just because there is some junk on the radar doesnt mean they are being "painted" as a target. There simply isnt enough information any such thing could be claimed.

However, I think it is safe to say there are some wierd coincidences, enough to warrant some more investigation. That thing the SecDef said and that bill being introduced by Congress are very odd.

I do not know nearly enough about physics to say if any of this is possible, but the way it looked on the sites, it seems in the realm of possibility. My biggest beef with the claims is they say "this happened" and do nothing to explain HOW it would happen. Only when they explain how you "paint a bullseye" on NO will I believe any of their shenanigans.

[Redbob86]

I said it before and I'll say it again. This is too much power for us to control, and anyone who desires this much power probably shouldn't be trusted with it.

[DamienK]

Seriously dude, your fucking crazy. Why don't you go lock yourself in your bomb shelter before the fbi come to sell your body to aliens.

The truth is out there.

[Redbob86]

At 9/25/05 06:13 PM, DamienK wrote: Seriously dude, your fucking crazy. Why don't you go lock yourself in your bomb shelter before the fbi come to sell your body to aliens.

The truth is out there.

Oh that BETTER not have been directed at me.

[DamienK]

At 9/25/05 06:15 PM, Redbob86 wrote: Oh that BETTER not have been directed at me.

Nope it was directed at the topic starter. Though if you wanna go with him to meet the aliens that's cool too.

[Demosthenez]

At 9/25/05 06:11 PM, Redbob86 wrote: I said it before and I'll say it again. This is too much power for us to control, and anyone who desires this much power probably shouldn't be trusted with it.

You really cannot say that. You dont know what is going on. I, for one, am not as sure anymore if this is fake or not. There just sorta might be something with this.

I have read a lot of that Beardens guys website today and he seems pretty damn smart. So, he is either completly 100% certifiable crazy and smart or right on the money and smart.

This shows a history of all this scaler weapons shit. There seems to be quite a lot of wierd shit behind this and actually a decent amount of science (albiet science I dont understand, so he could be completly shitting us).

There is quite a number of odd coincidences behind all this weather engineering stuff. I am a hard person to convince of conspiracies, but this one doesnt seem as half assed as others. I still see little to no proof, but there is still a whole hell of a lot of wierd coincidences behind it.

I feel stupid as hell admiting that I may see something in this. I feel like Im beibg somewhat lead on, but I cant deny what is being presented.

Opinions of others more well versed in the art of scince, please?

[Redbob86]

I studied ecology, and I am a biology major, and I can tell you that this will EASILY fuck up this planet in ways you cannot imagine. You know how it's even POSSIBLE for us to predict weather, because it's ALWAYS constant. The wind ALWAYS blows in this direction, and currents will ALWAYS flow in that direction, and no outside or man-made manipulation can change the direction, thus we can monitor the weather patterns and see what will happen in the future. If it was manipulated even slightly, we would not be able to predict ANYTHING, we would be completly lost and in the dark with no accurate way of predicting the outcome.

[Demosthenez]

Dude, seriously, just look at that link. There is some wierd shit that happened and some wierd things people have said.

Like what that SecDef Cohen said. And the bill that Congress just introduced about weather control. And what Kruschev said about their super weapons that could destroy the world many times over. And Brezhnev saying he wants to ban all weapons not yet imagined that could easily destroy us at a UN council.

And then there are all those extremely wierd coincidences. I just think there a whole lot of shit we dont know.

And I still am not certain how these things work but apparently they work because of some laws of electrodynamics that Maxwell initially introduced that were later cut out because of Western insistance on symmetry or something. And also apparently these guys say the Second Law of Thermodynamics is a truncated half law. And Tesla said some incredible things I read.

If these quotations are correct, I mean shit. Is there any validity in any of these things?

On July 28, 1976, a great earthquake destroyed Tangshan, China, killing some 600,000 persons. Just before the first tremor in the early morning, the sky lit up like daylight, with multi-hued lights seen up to 200 miles away. Electrical signals were also associated with the quake. Note that, in 1912, Nikola Tesla stated in an interview that it would be possible to split the planet, by combining vibrations with the correct resonance of the earth itself. Tesla stated,

"Within a few weeks, I could set the earth’s crust into such a state of vibrations that it would rise and fall hundreds of feet, throwing rivers out of their beds, wrecking buildings, and practically destroying civilization. The principle cannot fail..."

Tesla once set off a growing local vibration and shaking of the entire neighborhood around his laboratory, using a 10-lb. device. Tesla later improved on his concepts, calling this area "telegeodynamics". In 1935 he said:

"The rhythmical vibrations pass through the earth with almost no loss of energy... It becomes possible to convey mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects... The invention could be used with destructive effect in war..."

These are some brilliant minds. IS this shit mean anything? I do not know nearly enough about science to make a guess. But I mean, from my uneducated point of view (which may be why I am believing this in the first place) there seems to be a number of odd coincidences and statements.

However, I have done some research on many of the concepts and all of it rests basically on the concept that everything rests in aether (been disproven many a time, however still theoritically exist, but its doubtful) and there is a third form of energy called scalar energy (has something to do with magnets and how they interact). So as we know it now, none of these technologies rest inside provable science but there is a number of wierd ass shit that has gone on surrounding it.

So do I buy it? No. Would I throw all the claims out the window at first glance? Naw either.

[Joodah]

youre right, those sneaky russian bastards!
i thought it was only us who had weather control in command and conquer though.
heh.

[Demosthenez]

Does no one else find some of the coincidences surrounding this (especially that SecDef Cohen comment) and other things as interesting as I do? Hmm, oh well.

And I guess will be my last time commenting. Does ANYONE know enough about Physics to comment on this scalar energy stuff? Is there any possibility it is at all possible that it is true?

[Proteas]

At 9/22/05 03:53 AM, armanddarke wrote: You are aware that AIDS was man-made, right?

WRONG

The Technology exists. Period.

And if it does, what do you intend to do about it?

[PhysicsMafia]

I think someone has been watching "The Core" one to many times....

[Demosthenez]

At 9/27/05 05:37 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 9/22/05 03:53 AM, armanddarke wrote: You are aware that AIDS was man-made, right?

WRONG

Him saying that AIDS is manmade and that site he initially linked us to that has them looking for life on Mars definately doesnt help the case hes making.

How come every paranoid freak has to pick up every paranoid ass thing they find like cows are abducted, 9/11 bullshit, Area 51, etc. etc.? I mean, is there a reason they believe EVERY one of these conspiracy theories?

And actually reading all this stuff this Bearden fellow put out, I have started to realize his livelihood rests on people believing in scalar energy. He claims the only way to save the US from the impending economic collapse is to create these machines that take in energy from vacum. Which, suprise suprise, he is making. And he stated it would be realesed in 2003. Never came and said protoype was destroyed. Convinient. Now he states he needs $11 million to continue research.

But still, the statements that Cohen made and the law and all those wierd coincidences still make me wonder. Bearden my be greatly overdramatizing the event, but I still find it possible the technology may rest outside there somewhere, whether theoritically or made.