Inacurate History Text Books

[StarvedIntelligence]

For instance, the description of native american culture and the supposed civilizing of the "new world" is complete and utter shit. Native americans were not only here, but a vast majority of them had already settled and were farming. The only reason that europeans did so well is because the native population had been too healthy and had not been exposed the disease, that destroyed them. The disease is also not mentioned by more than a light dusting off sentance in most books. And most books forget to inform the readers that europeans saw the horrible plague that whiped out nine out of ten natives as an act of god, confirming that they were doing the right thing.

White Christians can get way to full of themselves.

Example 2: the crusades, I don't have to say anything else about that...

I'm sure you can find some more. Personally I would rather be taught the truth than garbage

[MortifiedPenguins]

what bloody books are you reading. My history books and what i read( i love history and read it from loads of viewpoints) show what the colonists did to the Native Americans was bad but thats what happened back then, they would have done the same to europeans if the chance came.

and you gotta be fucking me with the crusades, no one glorify's that and it isn't really a bloodstain on christianity mate since both muslims and christians both defeated each other.

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/19/05 09:41 PM, fenrus1989 wrote: what bloody books are you reading. My history books and what i read( i love history and read it from loads of viewpoints) show what the colonists did to the Native Americans was bad but thats what happened back then, they would have done the same to europeans if the chance came.

Name the book you read, and I may be able to "enlighten" you. The fact that you are brushing it off, shows that you do not truly understand what happened. You accept it as a "bad" thing, but believe it was excusable. And it isn't. You aren't learning from history if you accept everything that happened.

and you gotta be fucking me with the crusades, no one glorify's that and it isn't really a bloodstain on christianity mate since both muslims and christians both defeated each other.

Actually many people still glorify it. As a former student of the public education system of america I can tell you that you are wrong. And the christians did a pretty good job of defeating themselves. I think they only made it where they wanted to be once, and one time they actually tried to send an army of children... wow is all I have to say to that one

[fudge-monkey]

Just so you know, every history textbook is biased... Every map, book, and report is biased. So basically, an unbiased textbook would be:

The europeans conquered north america...

[Memorize]

Another topic where it consists of the generalization of christianity altho it has almost nothing to do with the topic.

Did you know, before the civil war, only around 6% of whites owned slaves, yet 25% of free slaves owned slaves themselves?

[TheBlackDahliaMurder]

At 9/19/05 09:49 PM, fudge_monkey wrote: Just so you know, every history textbook is biased... Every map, book, and report is biased. So basically, an unbiased textbook would be:

The europeans conquered north america...

even that's a little biased dude.

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/19/05 09:50 PM, TimeFrame wrote: Another topic where it consists of the generalization of christianity altho it has almost nothing to do with the topic.

Did you know, before the civil war, only around 6% of whites owned slaves, yet 25% of free slaves owned slaves themselves?

Did you know that often times the indians enslaved themselves before the Europeans came over and then enslaved each other for the Europeans?

And free slaves? You will have to be more explanitory

[Memorize]

At 9/19/05 09:53 PM, Grish_Noren wrote:

And free slaves? You will have to be more explanitory

slaves that have earned their freedom in america.

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/19/05 09:54 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/19/05 09:53 PM, Grish_Noren wrote:

And free slaves? You will have to be more explanitory

slaves that have earned their freedom in america.

I believe it

[Frozenserpent]

At 9/19/05 09:34 PM, Grish_Noren wrote: For instance, the description of native american culture and the supposed civilizing of the "new world" is complete and utter shit. Native americans were not only here, but a vast majority of them had already settled and were farming. The only reason that europeans did so well is because the native population had been too healthy and had not been exposed the disease, that destroyed them. The disease is also not mentioned by more than a light dusting off sentance in most books. And most books forget to inform the readers that europeans saw the horrible plague that whiped out nine out of ten natives as an act of god, confirming that they were doing the right thing.

I feel the same way as well. However, your history book is just plain inept.

As a side note, I would consider the Christians being worse off than the Muslim forces... First... I've always disliked the sacking of Constantinople... which really shows how noble their causes were... massacre in holy city.... yadda yadda... As for the army of children... I believe the children were the ones who decided to march in, with a few leaders among them or so.... The other people looked upon them as a source of inspiration...... until the children got captured, kiilled, and sold to slavery.

Why do people always go, "There will always be biasm?" It doesn't mean shit. People try to be as unbiased as reasonably as possible. How to do it? Be clear about what are FACTS, highlight arguments from several sides, play devil's advocate often, and be clear about what are OPINIONS.

White Christians can get way to full of themselves.

Example 2: the crusades, I don't have to say anything else about that...

I'm sure you can find some more. Personally I would rather be taught the truth than garbage

[Demosthenez]

So... let me get this. Your beef is the fact they dont talk enough about history more in depth in a general history class.

Laff, what you expect? A friggin doctoral disertation on every event ever to happen in history? They can only go so in depth. Get over the cry fest.

[Ravens-Grin]

At 9/19/05 09:45 PM, Grish_Noren wrote: Name the book you read, and I may be able to "enlighten" you. The fact that you are brushing it off, shows that you do not truly understand what happened. You accept it as a "bad" thing, but believe it was excusable. And it isn't. You aren't learning from history if you accept everything that happened.

My history book from last year talked about the same thing in the first three chapters. If you want to know, the history book was "American Pageant" and the main editor is Thomas Bailey.

One question back at you, who is Mohammad?

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/19/05 10:16 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: So... let me get this. Your beef is the fact they dont talk enough about history more in depth in a general history class.

Laff, what you expect? A friggin doctoral disertation on every event ever to happen in history? They can only go so in depth. Get over the cry fest.

They could get the facts strait and not paint a picture that doesn't exist

[Blackhawkdown]

I would really like to know what text book or source you use to come up with your opinion. As for the text books I read they're pretty balanced and as far as I can tell paint a pretty unbiased picture.

And you've got to be kidding me with the crusades. Way to go and make rash generlizations, I've never seen anybody glorify the crusade's before, and both sides suffered pretty heavy losses in that war.

[asdfrasdfg]

Someones offended by events that happened over 200 years ago.

Seriously, what do you want them to say? "The EVIL Europeans came to America to infeast the poor, poor indians land, and to kill off every single one of them".

I'm sure you would love to live in a world without your ability to post on this site, or have electricity for that matter.

[Demosthenez]

At 9/19/05 10:18 PM, Grish_Noren wrote: They could get the facts strait and not paint a picture that doesn't exist

So, indeed, you want to read a disertation.

Im sure your classmates would love you.

[Samuel-HALL]

At 9/19/05 09:45 PM, Grish_Noren wrote: Name the book you read, and I may be able to "enlighten" you.

My high school American History class said, outright, that what white europeans did to native americans was theft and genocide.

The fact that you are brushing it off, shows that you do not truly understand what happened. You accept it as a "bad" thing, but believe it was excusable. And it isn't. You aren't learning from history if you accept everything that happened.

It's not excusable. But I'm goddamn glad it happened.

Where would I be right now, if it hadn't of happened?

[Solthiel]

I'm not sure what history book you read...but the ones I read in school, had an entire section on the persecution of the Indians, along with pictures of smallpox victims, and in depth explanations about what happened.

And this was in Oklahoma...the Bible belt...the heart of darkness persay, of the white Christian Republican movement...

And so...your argument has no merit as is...not to say I don't agree that history books are biased...but the points you brought up were blatantly untrue...

[numbers]

Ok, so the books are inaccurate. Send a rant letter to the school and hope they order new ones. Case solved.

Because I dropped out, and my shcool was stupid to believe I was actually gonna do homeschool, they sent me a History books, and I just fucking went depressionastic and downright "You are a slave and there is nothing you can do about it" in every page, well, almost every page. Some I couldn't think up of a message to mock it.

I don't know when I'll return it..it was fun, though.

[Redbob86]

When it comes to Native Americans getting screwed, white people always take the blame. Hey, we weren't the only ones, okay. Nobody ever talks about how Latin people destroyed the tribes in South America, why aren't they getting that shit thrown in their face? Because the world likes to use white people as a scape goat to all the world's problems. Hey, we may be responsible for wiping them out in America and Canada, but Mexico and every tribe south was destroyed by Latinos. We did it to two countries, they did it to the entire continent of South America.

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/19/05 10:17 PM, Ravens_Grin wrote:

My history book from last year talked about the same thing in the first three chapters. If you want to know, the history book was "American Pageant" and the main editor is Thomas Bailey.

One question back at you, who is Mohammad?

I read the same book, it is one of the better text books, but it still has errors.

Are you speaking of the Mohammad that started Islam? If you give only part of a name I can't give you a complete answer.

[NOTunowned]

At 9/20/05 04:44 AM, Redbob86 wrote: Latin people destroyed the tribes in South America

Well most latin people a are mix of native and spanish etc.. The Portuguese and Spanish conquistadors are the blame of that. The text books here tell an accurate story, but they're fairly new.

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/20/05 04:44 AM, Redbob86 wrote: When it comes to Native Americans getting screwed, white people always take the blame. Hey, we weren't the only ones, okay. Nobody ever talks about how Latin people destroyed the tribes in South America, why aren't they getting that shit thrown in their face? Because the world likes to use white people as a scape goat to all the world's problems. Hey, we may be responsible for wiping them out in America and Canada, but Mexico and every tribe south was destroyed by Latinos. We did it to two countries, they did it to the entire continent of South America.

Latinos came from white people, spaniards, taking over the south!!! my god could you be any less intelligent. You fail! And I never claimed that they didn't. Spain... 3 gs gold glory god. They raped they abused the religion of the natives. And they happened to be white christians. You fail!

[Memorize]

Makes me wonder why some of us still have Columbus day. All he really did was come over and slaughter Indians.

[Jimsween]

Blah blah blah. They talk about Native American history all the time, far too much. Don't give me that crap that it's ignored, we've all heard it a billion times, and then we had to go read wounded knee in english class.

[LazyDrunk]

Ya know, if our ancestors weren't such pussies, they'd have eradicated every trace of native life in America, we wouldn't have to listen to this bitching.

But it's the past, and seeing as how damn near everybody here ALREADY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE POOR NATIVES, WE'VE HEARD IT SO MUCH WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

Quit bitching about it and actually help your cause.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/20/05 05:19 PM, Jimsween wrote: Blah blah blah. They talk about Native American history all the time, far too much. Don't give me that crap that it's ignored, we've all heard it a billion times, and then we had to go read wounded knee in english class.

i agree with that too i even learned about the bloody iroquis, and the rest of the native americans, but seriously who cares. how come you not pissed off about the muslims slaughtering indians(as in india) mongols slaughtering chinese or aztecs slaughtering the NA.

[LegendaryLukus]

HIstory is written by the winners

[StarvedIntelligence]

At 9/20/05 06:12 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

At 9/20/05 05:19 PM, Jimsween wrote: Blah blah blah. They talk about Native American history all the time, far too much. Don't give me that crap that it's ignored, we've all heard it a billion times, and then we had to go read wounded knee in english class.

i agree with that too i even learned about the bloody iroquis, and the rest of the native americans, but seriously who cares. how come you not pissed off about the muslims slaughtering indians(as in india) mongols slaughtering chinese or aztecs slaughtering the NA.

Perhaps I am, but I was taking an example of what hits home for most people. History class is about history. If you don't want to learn about your past in history class you have a problem. That is what history is about, and the fact that students don't want to learn is annoying in itself. Of course all of history should be taught in history class, and I know it can't be. But instead of repeating the same flowered up course every year, there should be much more study into not only america and europe, but also africa and asia and south america.

History class, must however, rely on history books.

Find your passage about native americans in you history book. Find the line where it talks about them dying of disease. Now read everything around it. Are the people coming still called settlers. Are natives still considered hunter-gathers. Do they even specify, or is it your teacher that was able to inform you.

Look at the slave trade, does it say anything about how they how they were captured, by tribes in the area, or does it just say that they came to america by way of the middle passage and many of them died.

Look at china, what do they mention their. A war about opium? Surly there is more history to asia than europeans giving them opium to weaken the country.

Now I'm not just refuring to one thing, and I know that history is large to learn all of in one year, but the books simply do not do a good enough job.

[MortifiedPenguins]

At 9/20/05 06:28 PM, Grish_Noren wrote:

At 9/20/05 06:12 PM, fenrus1989 wrote:

At 9/20/05 05:19 PM, Jimsween wrote:

Perhaps I am, but I was taking an example of what hits home for most people. History class is about history. If you don't want to learn about your past in history class you have a problem.

i actually love history.

That is what history is about, and the fact that students don't want to learn is annoying in itself. Of course all of history should be taught in history class, and I know it can't be. But instead of repeating the same flowered up course every year, there should be much more study into not only america and europe, but also africa and asia and south america.
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well for a few reasons, most of africa never had writing before the europeans came so the scant sources that we have is from middle easterners, egyptians and what few archeologicall findings. south america get loads of information about it too and i have read bunches about it and same with asia. there should be classes in your secondary school about these contintents anyway.

History class, must however, rely on history books.

what else is there.

Find your passage about native americans in you history book. Find the line where it talks about them dying of disease. Now read everything around it. Are the people coming still called settlers. Are natives still considered hunter-gathers. Do they even specify, or is it your teacher that was able to inform you.

in short the indians are wiped out, utterly destroyed or blended in with the colonists culture, thier part of history is over.

Look at the slave trade, does it say anything about how they how they were captured, by tribes in the area, or does it just say that they came to america by way of the middle passage and many of them died.

you do realize that the europeans got thier black slaves from black slave dealers right or the fact that the arabs started the black slave trade centuries earlier right.

Look at china, what do they mention their. A war about opium? Surly there is more history to asia than europeans giving them opium to weaken the country.

no i learned about the shang, chin and all the other chinese dynasties and don't forget about the mongol invasions and the rest.

Now I'm not just refuring to one thing, and I know that history is large to learn all of in one year, but the books simply do not do a good enough job.

don't know what books your reading about but i learned about all these cultures.