the fall of Rome and America

[MattMan1]

we were talking about the fall of rome in history and i and we started thinking man this is kinda what america is starting to go through...
i mean rome fell due to a, corrupt gov, lack of patriotism, public health, unemployment,
loss of moral, relying to much on outside countries, and the list goes on...
if you look at it the reasons are shockingly similar to what america is going through now...
give me your opinions on this matter and dont just post bullshit like america sucks...
i want to know what you think

[Jimsween]

Thats not why rome fell. Rome and America have almost nothing in common. That and the US more than 1000 years later.

[MattMan1]

At 9/19/05 07:21 PM, Jimsween wrote: Thats not why rome fell. Rome and America have almost nothing in common. That and the US more than 1000 years later.

than why did rome fall?

[BeFell]

Yes, yes, America is going to die because Bush sucks and everyone hates him. Do you have anymore insights on our impending doom, such as you know, evidence?

[Memorize]

Only 1 thing (2 at the most) from that list is true: Corrupt government.

[Jimsween]

At 9/19/05 07:22 PM, MattMan1 wrote: than why did rome fall?

Invasion, dictatorships, and most importantly it was too huge. Rome fell because it took 2 weeks to get across it. The only reason the Roman empire was able to exist in the first place was because it had a huge technological and organization advantage against it's enemies, and advantage that was lost when everyone figured out what it was doing.

[MattMan1]

really i thought relying on other countries would be most popular
think about it we dont make enough of our own food sure we make some but its either too little or unhealthy garbage
if other countries wanted us down on our knees they would stop exporting food to us
thats all it would take to make us beg

[Empanado]

At 9/19/05 07:22 PM, MattMan1 wrote:

At 9/19/05 07:21 PM, Jimsween wrote: Thats not why rome fell. Rome and America have almost nothing in common. That and the US more than 1000 years later.

than why did rome fall?

Barbaric Invasions and corruption, none of which seem to be a huge issue in the U.S.

[MattMan1]

At 9/19/05 07:34 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 9/19/05 07:22 PM, MattMan1 wrote: than why did rome fall?

Invasion, dictatorships, and most importantly it was too huge. Rome fell because it took 2 weeks to get across it. The only reason the Roman empire was able to exist in the first place was because it had a huge technological and organization advantage against it's enemies, and advantage that was lost when everyone figured out what it was doing.

same thing happend to us
what major scientific breakthroughs have we had within the last ten years?
a toilet that washes our ass for us? wait that wasnt even us it was japan?!?
look us and russia were the only ones with nukes now koriea might have nukes maybe iraq other countries are catching up to us

[Empanado]

At 9/19/05 07:35 PM, MattMan1 wrote: really i thought relying on other countries would be most popular
think about it we dont make enough of our own food sure we make some but its either too little or unhealthy garbage
if other countries wanted us down on our knees they would stop exporting food to us
thats all it would take to make us beg

Jeez, this retarded argument again.

It's called TRADE.
If they stop sending stuff to the States, the States stop sending money and other stuff to them. Guess who would have the greater disadvantage there? Moron.

[Jimsween]

At 9/19/05 07:37 PM, MattMan1 wrote: same thing happend to us
what major scientific breakthroughs have we had within the last ten years?
a toilet that washes our ass for us? wait that wasnt even us it was japan?!?
look us and russia were the only ones with nukes now koriea might have nukes maybe iraq other countries are catching up to us

Thats differen't, it only takes two hours minimum to get across the US. And almost no time to send a message across. My example for rome was to justify it's existance despite it's huge mass.

[Demosthenez]

At 9/19/05 07:35 PM, MattMan1 wrote: think about it we dont make enough of our own food sure we make some but its either too little or unhealthy garbage
if other countries wanted us down on our knees they would stop exporting food to us

Thats bullshit. We make more than enough food to feed ourselves. The only reason we ever import things is they are cheaper or we cant get certain things in season.

I mean, of course we are going to export millions of tons of food a year because we dont have enough food.

And your ideas of America not doing anything technological are laughable

And a toilet that washes your ass has been around for a long damn time already. Its called a friggin baday.

[MattMan1]

At 9/19/05 08:22 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: a whole lot of stuff

well prove your point...
ill wait...

bush is a good president

anyway the romans fell because everyone went crazy because the lead in their pipes,the economy is better andthe unemployment rate has gone down the government is rich with great leadership anyway how WILL the united states fall? only if someone attacks us when we have a tiony incy wincy miulitary WHICH HILARY CLINTON WANTS DONT VOTE FOR HER IN 2008

[MattMan1]

aight look you live in america right?
so learn some damn english...

At 9/19/05 07:35 PM, MattMan1 wrote: really i thought relying on other countries would be most popular
think about it we dont make enough of our own food sure we make some but its either too little or unhealthy garbage
if other countries wanted us down on our knees they would stop exporting food to us
thats all it would take to make us beg

you know the united states has more territory than just in north america we can produce every tsingle type of food on earth anyway other cauntries like china would fall if they stopped trading stuff with us and iraq and stuff would lose ALOT of money because america is i thinkl the first or second largest oil consumer on earth if everyone wanted to stop selling stuff to us it would harm them greatly all the electronic stuff in japan,rice from the fillipines,oil from the middle east almost all plastic items from china and taiwan and switzerland and anyway its not the contry that we rely on its the businesqses in fact the only reason we import so much stuff is because those r AMERICAN BUSINESSES in other countries

[Altarus]

At 9/19/05 07:20 PM, MattMan1 wrote: we were talking about the fall of rome in history and i and we started thinking man this is kinda what america is starting to go through...
i mean rome fell due to a, corrupt gov, lack of patriotism, public health, unemployment,
loss of moral, relying to much on outside countries, and the list goes on...
if you look at it the reasons are shockingly similar to what america is going through now...
give me your opinions on this matter and dont just post bullshit like america sucks...
i want to know what you think

Rome fell because it was overrun by barbarian invaders. Not only are barbarian invaders NOT threatening to invade America, but the problems you listed are no more of a problem in America than they are in the vast majority of countries. You could take any country and use those criteria to conclude they were about fall.

So basically, what's special about America when practically all countries have those problems? And also, what's with the slippery slope? We might just be going through a rough period that will fix itself in a couple of years.

[MzMoney]

Mattman you make Baby jesus cry. All I have to say is that through all your analysis do you really believe that the US is just going to fall apart into chaos. The mere notion of that is rediculous and if you did actually for one second think that you, sir, are retarded. While our government may not be perfect, we are nowhere near falling apart.

kkthnxbye <3

[Sevtron]

At 9/19/05 07:20 PM, MattMan1 wrote: i mean rome fell due to a, corrupt gov, lack of patriotism, public health, unemployment,
loss of moral, relying to much on outside countries, and the list goes on...
if you look at it the reasons are shockingly similar to what america is going through now...

Incorrect, Rome did not fall becuase of any of those reasons and none of those are major, catastrophic problems in America that would lead to a demise. The arguement you proposed is not worth discussing further.

At 9/19/05 09:44 PM, furball1 wrote: bush is a good president

anyway the romans fell because everyone went crazy because the lead in their pipes,the economy is better andthe unemployment rate has gone down the government is rich with great leadership anyway how WILL the united states fall? only if someone attacks us when we have a tiony incy wincy miulitary WHICH HILARY CLINTON WANTS DONT VOTE FOR HER IN 2008

I am not sure what you just said, you might want to wait until you reach high school world history so you can form your own opinions, and not believe everything your parents or TV tells you.

[therealsylvos]

At 9/19/05 09:52 PM, Wyrlum wrote:

At 9/19/05 07:20 PM, MattMan1 wrote: we were talking about the fall of rome in history and i and we started thinking man this is kinda what america is starting to go through...
i mean rome fell due to a, corrupt gov, lack of patriotism, public health, unemployment,
loss of moral, relying to much on outside countries, and the list goes on...
if you look at it the reasons are shockingly similar to what america is going through now...
give me your opinions on this matter and dont just post bullshit like america sucks...
i want to know what you think

Rome fell because it was overrun by barbarian invaders. Not only are barbarian invaders NOT threatening to invade America, but the problems you listed are no more of a problem in America than they are in the vast majority of countries. You could take any country and use those criteria to conclude they were about fall.

So basically, what's special about America when practically all countries have those problems? And also, what's with the slippery slope? We might just be going through a rough period that will fix itself in a couple of years.

you dump shit why do you think they were able to be overun by invader's hmm????
If america has a great depression all over again and our society crumbles(god forbid) then some eskimo tribe comes and gains control of the disorganized mess do u think the history books will say" usa conquered by an eskimo tribe"? no of course not it would say do to economic ands social collapse thats what happened to rome after the republic fell and the empire rose the decline bagan (sure it took 500 years but is fell slowly) America in 20 years WILL not be the world super power in 20 years it will be china but they will not have a long legacy as the greatest because simply COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK ON THE LONG SCALE the chinese will go along like good germans do whatever the goverment tells them too and eventually grow sick and tired of it its that simple.

[therealsylvos]

At 9/19/05 09:44 PM, furball1 wrote: bush is a good president

anyway the romans fell because everyone went crazy because the lead in their pipes,the economy is better andthe unemployment rate has gone down the government is rich with great leadership anyway how WILL the united states fall? only if someone attacks us when we have a tiony incy wincy miulitary WHICH HILARY CLINTON WANTS DONT VOTE FOR HER IN 2008

I am not sure what you just said, you might want to wait until you reach high school world history so you can form your own opinions, and not believe everything your parents or TV tells you.

Hillarry clinton is a socialist BITCH and i quote "People can not be trusted to handle their lives" YA PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID TRUST BIG BROTHER the day hilay clinton becomes prsident is the day i defect to israel

[GorillaUnit485]

At 9/19/05 10:38 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

day hilay clinton becomes prsident is the day i defect to israel

Hopefully someone there can teach you to spell, maybe even just simple words, like "the" and "car". You can work up from there to words like "skeet" and "crackwhore".

But more on topic, I think most of you should be able to admit that we are closer to falling apart than we were at any other time in our history (Excluding the Civil War and possibly Vietnam)

I know we aren't going to collapse in the sense that the Roman Empire did, but can any of you honestly say "I think our country is in the best state it's been in since I was born"?

[therealsylvos]

At 9/19/05 10:49 PM, GorillaUnit485 wrote:

At 9/19/05 10:38 PM, therealsylvos wrote:

day hilay clinton becomes prsident is the day i defect to israel

Hopefully someone there can teach you to spell, maybe even just simple words, like "the" and "car". You can work up from there to words like "skeet" and "crackwhore".

But more on topic, I think most of you should be able to admit that we are closer to falling apart than we were at any other time in our history (Excluding the Civil War and possibly Vietnam)

I know we aren't going to collapse in the sense that the Roman Empire did, but can any of you honestly say "I think our country is in the best state it's been in since I was born"?

jesus christ is some kind of english assignment? did u understand what i said then whats the dif how its spelled? and i also dont need to hear a historian views on history what happened happened interpetet as u will u need someone to teach and help u understand calculus not history

[Demosthenez]

At 9/19/05 10:56 PM, CadillacClock wrote: Attacking poorer civilizations out of fear of things that might happen.

Athens and the Delian League were poorer?

You're falling into the pits that Rome and Greece did and America really needs to clean up it's act.

Im not so sure Id be so hasty. There is still a lot of writing that is not on the wall yet. Much is left to be played out.

It’s not impossible though, clean society, newly elected president and fewer wars. America needs to focus on America at the moment rather than attack those around it.

It will happen sooner or later. It would not suprise me horribly if America becomes very isolatinist after our recent actions.

Actually, thats what I hope. No more meddling, no more people pissed at us, we just spend our cash, keeping a good Military for defensive purposes and so we are not walked all over, and spend the rest on ourselves, world policing and UN directives be damned. Sudan want to kill eachother off? Not our problem. Someone wants to be communist? So be it. I dont care. I just want to withdraw from the world. Let everyone do whatever the hell they want. Oh yeah and foreign aid be damned also.

[Heretic-Anchorite]

At 9/19/05 07:23 PM, BeFell wrote: Yes, yes, America is going to die because Bush sucks and everyone hates him. Do you have anymore insights on our impending doom, such as you know, evidence?

go back to hell you dam demicrate

[Heretic-Anchorite]

At 9/19/05 07:38 PM, Empanado wrote:
It's called TRADE.
If they stop sending stuff to the States, the States stop sending money and other stuff to them. Guess who would have the greater disadvantage there? Moron.

could not be more correct

[MattMan1]

It's called TRADE.
If they stop sending stuff to the States, the States stop sending money and other stuff to them. Guess who would have the greater disadvantage there? Moron.

but its not that easy look if someone wanted to get rid of us for all they wouldent care about us sending them money all they would care about would be trying to get rid of us

its the same thing that happend in the civilwar we cut off there food and stuff they get weak and cant defend themselves as good so they get easy to kill

[banana-man-sweet]

isnt the states the worlds biggest tradest partners. not sure about that though. i think the world would suffer more if they stopped trading to america.

[MattMan1]

but thats not the point
the point is it could kill us all off...

[Buffalow]

if everyone wanted to stop selling stuff to us it would harm them greatly all the electronic stuff in japan,rice from the fillipines,oil from the middle east almost all plastic items from china and taiwan and switzerland

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