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At 9/14/05 06:41 PM, Elfer wrote: LISTEN TO ME AMERICA, I FIXED YOUR OBESITY PROBLEMS.

hahaha. It's not that the idea sounds stupid...it's that some people don't dig fruit.

I don't really dig fruit. Especially fresh fruit. It's not that I'm against healthy food...I just don't think fruit tastes all that great.

Fruit is way fucking overrated.

At 9/14/05 11:10 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Fruit is way fucking overrated.

Im guessing your more of a grains kinda guy, especially barley?

At 9/13/05 04:19 PM, SoldAsFreedom wrote: Soda has always been a controversial item. In the 19th century the selling of soda was all but banned on sunday's because people felt they were too sweet and sinful for a day of rest and purity.
However, recently that beast has reared its ugly head once again. Now, schools are trying to actually ban the entire sale of soda in its vending machines and cafeterias. Yes, the same people that brought you the "red is too harsh and violent, so lets mark papers in purple or green pen" scheme are attempting to cripple to sale of carbonated drinks in public schools across the country.
Any thoughts or comments?

Though I'm certain there's some degree of practicality in this rule, it seems to me like it would have a negative effect rather than a positive. I mean, sugar makes people hyper, thus making them more alert and responsive in school. That might be a stretch, but the rule itself is pretty absurd to begin with.

At 9/14/05 06:41 PM, Elfer wrote: LISTEN TO ME AMERICA, I FIXED YOUR OBESITY PROBLEMS.

No. The solution lies in physical inactivity. In times we should be adding more physical courses, PE programs are being cut, and requirements in physical education courses are being reduced, if not dropped entirely. Many school systems have did away with recess in the younger grades--reducing physical activity time.

You can eat nothing but apples and bananas all day, but if you sit around doing nothing, you're going to gain weight.

The ultimate solution to the obesity problem isn't focusing so much on soda, but implementing more PE, and possibly, even exercise classes. If kids had a hour of physical activity every day--then a soda every day isn't going to be that big a problem.

At 9/14/05 11:17 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote:

At 9/14/05 11:10 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Fruit is way fucking overrated.

Im guessing your more of a grains kinda guy, especially barley?

Actually, I am a grain guy.
Grains and seeds/nuts is the way to go.

At 9/14/05 11:27 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: The ultimate solution to the obesity problem isn't focusing so much on soda, but implementing more PE, and possibly, even exercise classes. If kids had a hour of physical activity every day--then a soda every day isn't going to be that big a problem.

Unless your fuckign Lance Armstrong soda still has far too many sugar calories for people, especially kids. They averaged 2 pops a day, which works out to about 20% of their daily calorie intake. One pop is all the sugar they are supposed to have in whole day and depending on activity level possiblly more.

At 9/14/05 11:21 PM, Transplant wrote: I mean, sugar makes people hyper, thus making them more alert and responsive in school. That might be a stretch, but the rule itself is pretty absurd to begin with.

That might be a stretch? That's 100% hot air, you could melt a glacier with that. Being hyper doesn't make anyone a good student, it makes you focusless and erratic. Although a can of soda isn't going to do that to a high school student, so the point is moot anyway. All those empty calories and sugar is going to do is pack on useless weight. Soda has absolutely nothing of any value in it. They already stopped selling candy that has no nutritional value, why should it be limited to food? Soda should be banned as well under the same principle.

At 9/15/05 12:19 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 9/14/05 11:21 PM, Transplant wrote: I mean, sugar makes people hyper, thus making them more alert and responsive in school. That might be a stretch, but the rule itself is pretty absurd to begin with.

Soda should be banned as well under the same principle.

What about diet soda?

At 9/15/05 12:25 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: What about diet soda?

That should be banned just because it's so fucking disgusting.

At 9/15/05 12:30 AM, Gunter45 wrote:

At 9/15/05 12:25 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: What about diet soda?

That should be banned just because it's so fucking disgusting.

I know lots of people that drink it just as regularly as others drink regular soda.
I'm one of them. Seriously, though, taste and personal opinion of it aside, should it be banned with regular soda?

At 9/15/05 12:40 AM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: I know lots of people that drink it just as regularly as others drink regular soda.
I'm one of them. Seriously, though, taste and personal opinion of it aside, should it be banned with regular soda?

Of course it's a matter of taste, that last post of mine was a clever way to avoid the question, although, I would say that Diet Sodas aren't good for you either. Artificial sweeteners, while calorie-less, aren't that healthy. I know nutrasweet has some side effects, I'm not sure about Splenda, though. Either way, they don't have anything beneficial in them.

At 9/14/05 06:41 PM, Elfer wrote:

I figured something out a while back though.

The problem with that is that only one kind of fruit all the time is not good. You will lack some nutrients and have too many of other things. For instance, when you eat a lot of oranges or grapefruit or other very acidic fruits, your face will break out :o Happened to me a couple times.

still, raspberries : )
yum yum

the problem is that they need to make at least ONE food that is both plentiful, delicious and nutritious with low calories. I think its impossible : (

At 9/14/05 11:27 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote:

At 9/14/05 06:41 PM, Elfer wrote: LISTEN TO ME AMERICA, I FIXED YOUR OBESITY PROBLEMS.

Many school systems have did away with recess in the younger grades--reducing physical activity time.

granted reducing recess is grade-A retardness, cutting PE is brilliant. PE is NOT education in any way shape or form. Its the shitiest course and its kept in curriculums solely to satisfy the redneck dads who want to see their academicaly-challenged runt "make the team".

The root of the problem is LIFESTYLE. Everyone has a shitty lifestyle, and physical EDUCATION should teach people how to life properly. This should be taught in high school. PE in elementary school should be called "play time" instead, because that is exactly what it is. Just send them outside or something.

If you are a fat kid, PE will NOT make you thinner, EVER, for the sole reason that you are probably eating KFC with your "big-boned" parents all the time. The only way to get out of it for children is for them to make a conscious decision to quit being a doucher. The current system offers ZERO support for these people in young ages. The only support they can get is from talk show hosts and people who want to make money off them by selling them diet books and pills and bullshit like that.

its stupid they take away cokes, every summer and everyday...you know what I do?? I sit on my ass, yes thats everyday literally, i dont go outside i only go outside to go to the car and to gay ass school to sleep in my classes then come back home, and sit on my ass and drink dr. pepper non-stop...and im 156 pounds 5'11. but, at our school we still have cokes and candy and all the good shit, so i dont really care, but it would be stupid to do that. its the people, not the cokes.

At 9/14/05 06:37 PM, SEXY_FETUS wrote: Want your kid eatin healthy don't give em money for the machines, if you don't mind give em money and let em choose, if your kid has a job and has money to use on the machines themselves then they earned that. Besides take out machines and they'll just buy there snacks somewhere else and in turn the same money that could have helped the schools will goto 7-11 down the street.

I was waiting for a response like that thank you.

Its all about blaming someone else isnt it. Like give me a break already its the student that puts the money in the machine and its the student that drinks it.
Since children are getting fat we have to blame someone right? ( sarcastic ) Lets see we can blame the parents,School board, Soda companies the list can go on.

If the parent doesnt send the student with money and packs a lunch instead problem solved. well still no since things always turn up.

And when a student gets himself/herself a job they should be responsible enough to take care of themselves.

don't completely remove it. yes it's good to cut back a bit, but serioulsy whats life without a few sweetnings and such. as long as you exercise, a big chocalate chip cookie everyso often or a vanilla milkshake won't hurt.

if they ban soda from schools i will get all my idiotic friend and fil the princables office full of mountain dew

At 9/14/05 11:10 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Fruit is way fucking overrated.

As I say, you just haven't found the right fruit yet.

And it doesn't have to be fruit, it could be anything that's low in fat or healthy to eat.

I'm just saying that the easiest way to cut crap from your diet is to find something healthy that you enjoy more.

The point is not well if the schools dont sell it to the kids someoene lse will is a stupid point. they shoudl try and set an example. If the school doesn't sell the kids cigarettes someone else will. If the school doesnt sell Maxim to the kids someone else will.

At 9/15/05 02:01 AM, -poxpower- wrote: The problem with that is that only one kind of fruit all the time is not good.

Well, you've got to switch it up a bit, you know. Eat several different types of fruits to get a full range, you see. I usually eat apples, bananas and oranges, and try not to eat more than one or two of any particular one per day.

Still, there's plenty of other fruits that are great too. Various berries, melons, etc. Watermelon just seems to taste better in the summer because of all the extra heat.

still, raspberries : )
yum yum

Precisely. You can easily just eat rasperries instead of say, chips.

I've got to tell you, switching from crap to fruit has been great for me. I've slimmed down a bit (32 waist used to be a bit tight, now it's loose, moved up to the smallest notch on my belt) and on top of that, I just feel better.

I've also started enjoying fruit a lot more than junk food in the first place. Fruit is a dancing plethora of flavour upon my tongue, which I enjoy much better than the monotonous greasy salty taste of factory-produced snacks.

the problem is that they need to make at least ONE food that is both plentiful, delicious and nutritious with low calories. I think its impossible : (

I call them apples, but correct me if I'm wrong about something like that.

PE is three paragraphs of evil

While I agree that the course can be kind of stupid, especially as a mandatory one, it is an easy way for a kid to get in an hour of exercise every day if they've got an open spot yet still want a credit (don't call this an easy pass, we ALL take/took joke courses for the sake of an easy credit at least a couple of times.)

And even if it's not offered as a class, I still think that it's a good idea for the facilities to be available. For example, I occaisionally take advantage of the gym at my lunch break to get some exercise playing basketball or soccer or some such. I'm generally not an active person, but if I have the opportunity to play a game of basketball with some of my friends, I'll do it.

And I do agree with you on the lifestyle bit, but that's kind of obvious. On the other hand, fast food works the same way as junk food. Once you start eating healthy, fresh food, it's just terrible to try to eat fast food again.

I believe the last time someone offered me "food" from McDonalds, I had about five fries and couldn't eat any more. That's seriously how awful it is in comparison.

At 9/15/05 08:59 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 9/14/05 11:10 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Fruit is way fucking overrated.

As I say, you just haven't found the right fruit yet.

Don't you fucking insult my intelligence, Elfer. To make a statement like that implies I'm just some bumpkin that ain't eaten anything but apples and oranges.

There's not many kinds of fruit I haven't tried, rare and hard to find fruit aside.

One fruit I love is pomegranates. But guess what? They don't sell pomegranates at Wal-Mart, or Food-Lion, or Kroger, or local fruit stands, or anywhere else.
Kiwis are alright, but, IMO, they have a crap-ass after taste.

I'm just saying that the easiest way to cut crap from your diet is to find something healthy that you enjoy more.

Well, I'll easily and happily conceed that. Nuts, grains, and protein foods are what I dig.

I represent the fat man (seeing how I'm 5' 11, 270 lbs, I am pretty hefty) and I'll admit right now that no one has made me or anyone else fat. I eat more than is neccisary because I chose to make a habit of it, and so does every other fat guy/gal on this whole fucking planet. Now that it's a habit, I struggle with it and adopt other measures to try and negate the negative effects of over eating (regular workouts, eating more vegetables, gum chewing, etc...); but I blame no one else for it.

Bannig snack/soda machines won't make a lick of difference because we'll just go to other sources to satisfy their cravings. Fat people have no one to blame but themselves for their eating habits.

As if they're stopping me. I drink soda every morning right before school starts when they shut down the machines.

At 9/15/05 09:39 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: The point is not well if the schools dont sell it to the kids someoene lse will is a stupid point. they shoudl try and set an example. If the school doesn't sell the kids cigarettes someone else will. If the school doesnt sell Maxim to the kids someone else will.

That brings up another problem--what about kids who bring soda to school? I knew a bunch of kids who would bring soda with them to lunch, and sometimes bring an extra one for their friends. I even knew a couple that would even carry candy bars and and cans of soda around and sell them. What about these kids? Is it okay because their parents presumably have involvement in these kids having these drinks? Or should they be prohibited, as well?

At 9/15/05 10:23 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Well, I'll easily and happily conceed that. Nuts, grains, and protein foods are what I dig.

There you go.

Nuts and grains are a fruit :P

Oh, and by the way, I wasn't implying that you hadn't eaten a lot of fruit, it was just clumsily phrased.

It's more likely that you just haven't realized yet what fruit you'd take over junk food. It's really not something you'd notice unless you were actually thinking about it at the time.

I was trying to figure out what I should eat instead of junk food, so I found a bag of apples in the fridge, then remembered how great apples were anyway. I doubt I would have made the connection had I not been in that frame of mind at the time.

welll come to holland soda in every break. (only $0.80 for a can) not bad if you ask me(too bad you didnt ask me)

We cant ban parents from sending pop to school (well we could, just like peanut butter but it would be a hard political sell). BUtthe point is the schools shoudl be discouraging it and premoiting healthy food. Providing soda and candy is not sending the correct message and makes these things far more aviable.

I rememebr in elementary school we had milk tickets and my parents had to fill out a form saying how many chocolate milk tickets I could have and how many were to be for white milk. And that was over milk.

my school replaced soda and pop, with MILK 2 GO! have you seen the sugar? per 500 ml serving contains 25 grams of sugar. thats not making much difference. people are so worried about this generation that there making it strict, which in my opinion doesnt really make me WANT to study hard in a place that has Milk, and banned fries!

Vending machines in schools?
Americans are funny

I don't know if this has been mentioned but wouldn't it be easier for the schools to increase the price for soda and pop, making it more expensive.....while lowering the price of skim milk, bottled water, and 100% fruit juice, making them more accessible to students in lunch? Would it help at all or is the problem more complicated than that?