Three Cheers For Rape In Usa!!

[Buffalow]

http://www.nationmas...com/graph-T/cri_rap

thank Lapis for this link

[Thespus]

At 9/12/05 10:56 PM, Dinodoode wrote: http://www.nationmas...com/graph-T/cri_rap

thank Lapis for this link

I'm not surprised. I want to see the least amount of rapes page and see that Amsterdam is at the very bottom. I think so, anyway.

[Mayhem-N-Bedlam]

yeah but that is only reported rape.... I mean think about countries in Africa that went through revolutions, and have conflicting cultures in one countrie

[fli]

Take in account... that many Conservative countries, women do not report rape. (Like Mexico).
Some police ignore them. (South Africa).
The press will delay the reports of rapes. (Like South Africa).

I imagine that some of the more conservative countries where rape is viewed as shameful will have much more higher rates.

My mother was rapped,
and she never reported because it was so shameful.

[ReThink]

I noticed that Sudan was not on the list. I wonder if it was not included in the survey or if there wasn't and reports of crime rates in Sudan.

After all, it has been repeatly reported that rape was being used as a weapon of war in the Dafur region of Sudan.

Also it's interesting to see that it is first world countries topping the list.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Click per capita, and it drops down to ninth.

http://www.nationmas../graph-T/cri_rap_cap

Comparing the total counts of a statistic between two unequally populated countries is misleading. Obviously, highly populated countries are going to have more rapes than nations with smaller populations. By comparing the rates of rape per unit of people, we get a more accurate gauge of the rape problem in countries around the world. However, as many have already alluded to, the per capita statistics just refer only to reported rapes--many more rapes can go unreported in other countries for various reasons--be they because of conservatism, lack of police, fear of police, remoteness, etc.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Moreover, I should note that on the per capita list, both Australia and Canada have a rape rate over twice as high of that as the U.S. Considering all three are similiar in culture and law enforcement, this is a fairly large gap.

You'll notice at the bottom of the list are several Muslim countries. This isn't due so much to a lack of rape as it is the lack of women's rights in these countries. Women are afraid to admit rape, as in many cases, they can be tried along with the rapist.

[Empanado]

Okay, so we're just 25th at rapes, but we totally kick ass at robberies.

IN YOUR FACE, SOUTH AFRICA!

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/12/05 11:42 PM, Empanado wrote: Okay, so we're just 25th at rapes, but we totally kick ass at robberies.

IN YOUR FACE, SOUTH AFRICA!

You're also the least likely to die by falling off a cliff.
http://www.nationmas../mor_fal_fro_cli_cap

You're also the most likely to die from lack of water.

http://www.nationmas..T/mor_lac_of_wat_cap

Nationmaster is a fun site, and very informative site. You could explore it for hours on end, and it makes for a quick search for international statistics needed in political debate.

[Empanado]

At 9/12/05 11:47 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: You're also the least likely to die by falling off a cliff.

LOL @ silly Austrians.

You're also the most likely to die from lack of water.

Yeah, that's true. Last day, my family totally died from lack of water. In fact, half the city dies from lack of water everyday. It's an epidemic. The government sends water so people don't, you know, die from lack of water, but people don't drink the water 'cuz they say it's too wet. Go figure.

[BigBlueBalls]

The way violence is glorified, while censoring making love and nudity, it's no wonder there's an abundance of rape in the U.S. Take Grand Theft Auto as an example. I can beat up, shoot, and run over hookers with my car, yet one hidden scene we're I'm having sex with her and it gets an AO rating.

What does that tell kids, violence is more acceptable than making love?

[Der-Ubermensch]

At 9/13/05 12:37 AM, BigBlueBalls wrote:

What does that tell kids, violence is more acceptable than making love?

Its a well-known fact that Americans are simply prudes, especially when compared to Europeans. I suppose that with all that pent-up sexual frustration, things could get out of hand.

[beejrawk]

This website isn't to be trusted, it often has misleading or often plain wrong statistics as anyone can submit them.

I saw a article on a netherlands radio website (I tried looking for it but couldn't find it) about a bunch of 13-14 yr old boys who gang raped a girl because they said "they saw it in music videos." One even even said something along the lines of "what, doesn't everyone do this?"

[Blackhawkdown]

At 9/13/05 12:37 AM, BigBlueBalls wrote: The way violence is glorified, while censoring making love and nudity, it's no wonder there's an abundance of rape in the U.S. Take Grand Theft Auto as an example. I can beat up, shoot, and run over hookers with my car, yet one hidden scene we're I'm having sex with her and it gets an AO rating.

What does that tell kids, violence is more acceptable than making love?

Yep because violent video games cause crime. In fact because of the games I play i'm raping and murdering a hooker right now, that and eating a ham sandwich- can't beat the taste of ham! Give me a break on the whole violence and video games thing. If video games caused kids to be more violent just about every 13 old boy in the country would be commiting violent crimes right now.

As for why the US has such a large amount of rapes it's because of are larger population and because people actually report it. The US is a very large country therefore it's pretty logical to assume that the rape rate is higher. Also remember these are reported rapes, in many culutres rapes aren't reported (I.E. Iraq, Iran, Eygpt, ect.) or there is no one to report them to (take Somalia for exapmle.)

[BigBlueBalls]

At 9/13/05 01:24 AM, Blackhawkdown wrote: Yep because violent video games cause crime. In fact because of the games I play i'm raping and murdering a hooker right now, that and eating a ham sandwich- can't beat the taste of ham! Give me a break on the whole violence and video games thing. If video games caused kids to be more violent just about every 13 old boy in the country would be commiting violent crimes right now.

Hey I was only making a point about the double standard in the media. I'm not arguing that violence in video games is the problem. What I'm saying is that there's something wrong with hiding your children's eyes from Janet Jackson's boobies or people having sex, yet it's ok to watch someone murder a woman. It's better to have no censorship at all, than to censor sex and nudity while glorifying violence. That's where the message being sent to kids gets fucked up.

As for why the US has such a large amount of rapes it's because of are larger population and because people actually report it. The US is a very large country therefore it's pretty logical to assume that the rape rate is higher. Also remember these are reported rapes, in many culutres rapes aren't reported (I.E. Iraq, Iran, Eygpt, ect.) or there is no one to report them to (take Somalia for exapmle.)

Larger population isn't a factor, since this was on a per capita basis. A small town may have a higher rape statistics than the whole of the U.S., if it's based on per capita. As for more women reporting it, I doubt it's much different in other 1st world nations like Canada, UK, Japan or Australia, when it comes to rapes being reported, yet we still have much lower rape rates. Instead of just passing it off as being because Americans are better at reporting rapes, why not look to see if maybe there's a problem here?

[SEXY-FETUS]

That's all bogus it's based only on numbers of incedents no percentage of people or anything, hell the US is being compared to countries the size of rhode island.

[SEXY-FETUS]

I decided to do a little math to see how it really added up with the top 3 countries on that list, I used the numbers they provided and population numbers provided by the cia.
South africa
0.12%
Canada
0.07%
USA
0.03%

I love bunking stuff.

[numbers]

I wonder how much of the rape victims were children...

[ReiperX]

I was going to point out that the US isn't at the top per capita. Hell for the number of cases, I didn't even see China listed. So umm, willing ot bed that China has more then the US anyways, not due to more crime, due to more population.

[RedSkunk]

At 9/13/05 03:39 AM, SEXY_FETUS wrote: I decided to do a little math to see how it really added up with the top 3 countries on that list, I used the numbers they provided and population numbers provided by the cia.
South africa
0.12%
Canada
0.07%
USA
0.03%

I love bunking stuff.

You're an idiot. There is a link on the very page given, that looks at rape per capita. You didn't debunk shit.

Additionally, the page linked has this very important disclaimer that many people didn't seem to read, or understand: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

FFS.

[Jimsween]

Wow, people. STOP USING NATIONMASTER! Not only is it fairly new and still kinging out the bugs, it often is horribly wrong.

Rapes are actually underreported on this, I believe. The US classifies many things other countries classify as rape as 'Sexual Assault'. The US has a higher rape rate than I believe all of the developed world, but signifigantly lower than most of the third world.

Yes, the US has alot of rape, more than most of Europe, but less than almost everyone else. It still has alot considering it's GDP PPP. If the statistics were accurately presented, we could get back to debating why rather than what the statistics really are.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/13/05 07:27 PM, Jimsween wrote: Wow, people. STOP USING NATIONMASTER! Not only is it fairly new and still kinging out the bugs, it often is horribly wrong.

Shouldn't that burden lie on the people who are trying to counter Nationmaster statistics to show the incorrectness if and when they are wrong?

C'mon, Sween. Surely you, of all people, know that the presence of bugs or misinformation doesn't completely render all information from a source incorrect?

Besides, statistics should be taken with a grain of salt, anyway, regardless of their source.

[Elfer]

At 9/13/05 05:42 AM, red_skunk wrote: Additionally, the page linked has this very important disclaimer that many people didn't seem to read, or understand: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

Ah, there it is. I was wondering why it was taking people so long to notice that little bit of information that happens to be right at the top of the fucking page.

[Jimsween]

At 9/13/05 07:57 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: Shouldn't that burden lie on the people who are trying to counter Nationmaster statistics to show the incorrectness if and when they are wrong?

Thats like saying the burden lies on the person being slandered to prove it is slander. The one who makes the claim needs to give the source.

C'mon, Sween. Surely you, of all people, know that the presence of bugs or misinformation doesn't completely render all information from a source incorrect?

I've yet to see one Nationmaster statistic be cited and not draw controversy.

Besides, statistics should be taken with a grain of salt, anyway, regardless of their source.

I don't see the logic in that. Explain.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/13/05 08:34 PM, Jimsween wrote: Thats like saying the burden lies on the person being slandered to prove it is slander. The one who makes the claim needs to give the source.

The person giving the statistic should cite the source. However, it is the proof of the person rebutting the statistic to try to disprove it. There aren't any proven statements--only statements that haven't been yet disproved.

Besides, the person accused of slandering is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's the burden under the law for the slandered to show that slander has taken place.

I've yet to see one Nationmaster statistic be cited and not draw controversy.

Controversial isn't the same thing as being incorrect or invalid.

Besides, most of the controversy I've seen regarding these statistics is not about the statistics themselves, but people using the statistics incorrectly, misunderstanding them, or falsely interpreting them.

I don't see the logic in that. Explain.

Nearly all statistics have lurking variables, margins of error, etc. Statistics can be skewed because of the methods they were calculated.

Obviously, the more knowledge you have on the background and method a statistic is calculated, the more weight you can put in to it.

[Jimsween]

At 9/13/05 08:45 PM, IllustriousPotentate wrote: The person giving the statistic should cite the source. However, it is the proof of the person rebutting the statistic to try to disprove it. There aren't any proven statements--only statements that haven't been yet disproved.

However, nationmaster, as far as I can see, hasn't offered any evidence.

Besides, the person accused of slandering is presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's the burden under the law for the slandered to show that slander has taken place.

No, thats not true. Your thinking of criminal court. Slander is a civil matter, and as such the same rules don't apply. In civil court both sides must offer proof.

Controversial isn't the same thing as being incorrect or invalid.

It is when the controversy is about being incorrect or invalid.

Besides, most of the controversy I've seen regarding these statistics is not about the statistics themselves, but people using the statistics incorrectly, misunderstanding them, or falsely interpreting them.

Oftentimes yes, which would go towards the argument that people should stop citing it.

Nearly all statistics have lurking variables, margins of error, etc. Statistics can be skewed because of the methods they were calculated.

Obviously, the more knowledge you have on the background and method a statistic is calculated, the more weight you can put in to it.

Alright, I see. However, nationmaster statistics don't offer any backround information for them. So they must be taken with an even larger grain of salt. Or perhaps several grains of salt. Or even a grain of even saltier salt if possible.

[gumOnShoe]

The point is that the other countries aren't doing a good job. Yes they are saying its a problem, but they are also saying that rape is dealt with here in America. Thats why the first sentance reads the way it does