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At 9/11/05 03:01 PM, lapis wrote:

but you snooty europians who have been selling weapons to terrorists for years

Hey, Reagan armed bin Laden and the Mujahideen, don't blame it on us.

Reagan armed Bin Laden during the war between the USSR and Afganistan when the Russians were invading Afganistan and The United States was on friendly terms with them.
Germany and France got caught selling weapons to terrorists within the last three years.

At 9/11/05 03:03 PM, The_Tank wrote:

At 9/11/05 03:01 PM, lapis wrote: Number 20 after 15 European nations.

Your Graph is in dollars compared to people, I'm not looking for a ratio, I mean bulk amount.

Well, less than a million people in Luxembourg giving over three hundred each compared to three-hundred million in America only giving just over twenty dollars each is far more admirable and in the end, it's about how much money you can give and we can easily outperform any country in terms of aid because we have the resources.

At 9/11/05 02:13 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: You had it coming.

I challenge you to give an actual justification. Really, do it.

What about American `sympathisers` talking to Irish Republican para-militaries?
Stop being so damned hippocritical. But anyway, I don't think this is the reason Dulmar set up this topic.
(And to show im not being hippocritical, the British have sold arms to terrorists in the past, but without the knowledge that they would go on to attack western democracies.)

At 9/11/05 03:03 PM, The_Tank wrote: Your Graph is in dollars compared to people, I'm not looking for a ratio, I mean bulk amount.

Well, of course. There's no point in comparing the American aid to that of Luxembourg because the American aid is about a third of Luxembourg entire GDP. The issue is who is willing to sacrifice most of his income for development aid. To figure that out, you look at given aid per capita.
Anyway, I'm not trying to be disrespectful tot those who died in 9/11 but when you accuse us of something then at least name something we actually did or are doing wrong.

At 9/11/05 03:06 PM, The_Tank wrote: Reagan armed Bin Laden during the war between the USSR and Afganistan when the Russians were invading Afganistan and The United States was on friendly terms with them.
Germany and France got caught selling weapons to terrorists within the last three years.

I never heard that about Germany and France. Can you please link that for me?

Isnt this amazing? A thread to commerate the dead and the flaming fucks come in and generally be disrespectful asses. You INDEED are great people.

At 9/11/05 03:10 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 9/11/05 02:13 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: You had it coming.

I challenge you to give an actual justification. Really, do it.

Seconded.

At 9/11/05 02:46 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: I would also like to note that the best way to prevent it happening again is not to turning what used to be the land of the free to Oceania from 1984 or bombing countries overseas, but instead by taking a good look in the mirror and asking "Why?"

You honestly think America is like 1984. What the hell do you know? You dont even live here. Shouldnt the fact we are even talking about this clue you in to how retared that statement is?

At 9/11/05 02:09 PM, Maus wrote: Four years is not a long time. I can still remember quite vividly watching the whole thing happen on a television in my neighbor's apartment. I remember the skies being quiet for the first time in memory that day. I remember the fear that gripped us all, not knowing what would happen next.

Damn, I was in Gemoetry class Freshmen year in Ms. Jacobwitz class and I can remember every of the 30 kids in that class. It is kinda wierd how you remember stuff like that.

At 9/11/05 03:54 PM, FAB0L0US wrote: Damn, I was in Gemoetry class Freshmen year in Ms. Jacobwitz class and I can remember every of the 30 kids in that class. It is kinda wierd how you remember stuff like that.

I was in eighth grade, english class. We had about five classes piled into one classroom around one TV as we watched the first building, already hit, and the second get hit. At that time I thought, "I'm damn happy that we have a President that wouldn't piss his pants and freeze for a bit of time" and I was glad that I saw him lead our country. I was a dumbass.

And I'm always going to remember how I felt then. And how sad it was. About two thirds of the school left that day.

I woke up that day to the sound of my dad yelling "Stupid, crazy idiots!" and I thought my parents were having a fight or something. I took a shower watched some tv with my breakfast, I was late for school so I only caught a glimpse of the disaster. All I saw was smoke, that part is blurry to me. My mom explained to me about what happened on the way to school. I didn't know what the Twin Towers were, and I was too young to comprehend what my mom was telling me, it was almost as though she were describing a movie she saw so I thought little of it. At school it was what everyone was talking about, a teacher came in and told us what happened, the rest of school is blurry to me. What I do remember clearly though, is coming home that day. My whole family was huddled around the tv set, and that is when I saw the planes hitting the towers, people falling of the building. We sat there and watched for what seemed like hours, I knew I was missing my favorite shows but that seemed trivial to me in the face of this destruction. I went to bed that night a changed child....

9/11 was sad.

This thread is a living testament, that morons will troll any tradgedy they want. I love how serious this was, and how at the time it happened, everybody was sitting there going "Holy shit, I can't believe this is happening"...but immature little teenagers, four years later now try to say things like "Oh, well America deserved it"...

Its called human deaths, kids. Those were real people in those buildings, not actors or video game characters, those were our mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, daughters, and sons...there is a difference between realistic pessimism, and apathy. Saying "Oh well, shit happens..." is apathy.

You know, of course that happens on several threads in these forums, its just a fact of life on a site like this, that brings in so many different types of people. But its great to see, that within the first page, all trolls have been put in their place, so I find no need to go any further.

In any occasion, I mourn the lossof those in 9/11 and all of the other terrorist bombings, as well as those in Spain and several other countries, truly the man who did this should have been caught by now, he should have been tried by a court and made to see what futility an attack of such cowardice would surely bring him. Unfortunately, he has not been, and there is very little chance he will be. Osama Bin Laden is not to be heard of in the flawed agenda of the Bush administration...as it is showing itsself to do many times over (Some more recent failures notably more obvious; Katrina?), cannot and seemingly will not, address and solve any problem directly or correctly.

But I think its unfair to turn this into a political thread, so I'm done. I think it should be instead, somewhere for people to offer honest condolences to the dead in the twin towers and the families who have to live with these deaths every day.

At 9/11/05 06:12 PM, Solthiel wrote: But I think its unfair to turn this into a political thread, so I'm done. I think it should be instead, somewhere for people to offer honest condolences to the dead in the twin towers and the families who have to live with these deaths every day.

I agree 100%. How some jackasses like JohnnyWang can come in here and spew that crap amazes me. You dont go to a fuckin funeral and say the fucker deserved to die. You dont go to a Police statin after one of them has been cut down and say he deserved it for being a pig. You dont go the Vietnam memorial and say all these people are burning in hell for participating in an immoral war.

People need to learn the time and place for things. JohnnyWang obviously think his opinion is so godlike he can come in here and give everyone his take of the event in a thread designed to remember the event.

Wang and all you other trolling jackasses, this thread wasnt designed for you to come in and piss on everyones grave and give your opinion of why we deserved it. Make another thread about the politics behind the event, not one titled "FOURTH ANIVERSARY OF 9/11".

At 9/11/05 06:12 PM, Solthiel wrote: But I think its unfair to turn this into a political thread, so I'm done. I think it should be instead, somewhere for people to offer honest condolences to the dead in the twin towers and the families who have to live with these deaths every day.

Your right and I for one apologize for crapping this thread up with my political opinions as well. I was upset, as many of you are as well that people can actually have such cold hearts in the wake of a tragedy as immeasurable as 9/11

Sad, yup, it was sad, but its past, worse things happened, like in Asia, the tsunami, it was more recent, but no one talks about it. Okay, okay, its the attack's birthday, happy birthday, attack, may you die soon.

Now seriously, whats up with all this "America is right, everyone who thinks America isn't is -whatever word you use-"? U.S. is killing now, as Osama did, I maybe am not a genius, but I learned that two mistakes doesn't make a right.

At 9/11/05 12:55 PM, specimen56 wrote: Dude, no offence, but it was four years ago.
A lot more shit has happened since then that we should be concerning ourselves with at this presice second in time...

Wow, thanks for saying that. I'm SOOOOOO fucking sick of listening to the Americans pine for sympathy over 9/11 like they deserve it, even four years after Almighty America had its first terrorist attack on their soil.
Boo-FUCKING-HOOOO!
why the hell should any other nation care about what happened that day? Maybe on Sept. 12th, 2001, I cared. Everyone did, and we all felt sorry.
Then Sept 11, 2002 came. We were still reeling from it, but starting to get sick of pretending to be wounded. Great.
But now they still want sympathy? Give me a goddamn break, people!
I say swallow it and be glad as americans you have such a large army that you can be totally paranoid about national security and avoid the attacks i'm sure the rest of the world would love to strike 'home' with, and not have to suffer any more repurcussons for the international character of your nation.
Jesus, people, you got off easy! Fucking let it go.
If this was Israel or Palestine or any other country with REAL terrorism happening every day, nobody would be wanting sympathy, so get real, America.
Nobody cares anymore, and I have no sympathy for you. It's reserved for countries that really need it.

At 9/11/05 07:15 PM, RPGoddess wrote:
Wow, thanks for saying that. I'm SOOOOOO fucking sick of listening to the Americans pine for sympathy over 9/11 like they deserve it, even four years after Almighty America had its first terrorist attack on their soil.

Wasn't there a bomb in the world trade center in '92? and Timothy Micvay (sp?)

Boo-FUCKING-HOOOO!
why the hell should any other nation care about what happened that day? Maybe on Sept. 12th, 2001, I cared. Everyone did, and we all felt sorry.

Because that day, September 11th was one of the biggest days in world history. It sparked a new era and defined the beggining of a new millenium of war.

Then Sept 11, 2002 came. We were still reeling from it, but starting to get sick of pretending to be wounded. Great.
Jesus, people, you got off easy! Fucking let it go.

Easy???? Do you know how many people died? Easy pales in comparisn to what happened.

If this was Israel or Palestine or any other country with REAL terrorism happening every day, nobody would be wanting sympathy, so get real, America.

I think they would.

Nobody cares anymore, and I have no sympathy for you. It's reserved for countries that really need it.

No sympathy? If you have to reserve your sympathy because you're going to run out of it, you're a cold man. If another terror attack on this magnitude were to happen anywhere else in the world, America would give its sypmathy. The tsunami was testament to that.

I don't think that we should wallow in the 11th but shouldn't forget it.

At 9/11/05 10:11 PM, marchingtyrants wrote: and about the pentagon, it wasnt a plane, and why the hell the FBI took the tapes away?? all propaganda to blame the innocent.

Awww dannnnngg! I can't wait until October 1st.

At 9/11/05 07:15 PM, RPGoddess wrote: Wow, thanks for saying that. I'm SOOOOOO fucking sick of listening to the Americans pine for sympathy over 9/11 like they deserve it, even four years after Almighty America had its first terrorist attack on their soil.
Boo-FUCKING-HOOOO!

Where the hell has anyone asked for sympathy? This is simply commerating the event. Get off your ego trip, dumbass.

At 9/11/05 10:11 PM, marchingtyrants wrote: and about the pentagon, it wasnt a plane, and why the hell the FBI took the tapes away?? all propaganda to blame the innocent.

SOMEWHERE ELSE JACKASS

At 9/11/05 07:15 PM, RPGoddess wrote: Nobody cares anymore, and I have no sympathy for you. It's reserved for countries that really need it.

<>Your behavior is unjustified :: The country is not in need of sympathy :: The families and friends of the people who perished during this attack are in the need of sympathy :: It's unfair to associate the country with the people who make it up even if they are proud citizen :: It is only just to see all human beings equal as humans and none more :: We are all an concrete in the mind of others as [humans] :: It's our job to become an abstract that has a true undefinable meaning<>

At 9/11/05 02:46 PM, JohnnyWang wrote: 9/11 was a tragedy but it doesn't justify doing the same and worse to people in other countries.

Since when did all of America rise up and start a war? Last I was aware, the citizens have very little to do with the responciblities of their government.

And when I say thet you had it coming, I mean it was a result of the US foreign policies during the past few decades. I don't mean you deserved it.

Actions of politicians are much different than the actions of their citizens. Do Americans bitch at you for what King George did in the 18th century? No, because you had no power over that, just like we, as American citizens, have no power over what out politicians choose to do when they're in office.

I would also like to note that the best way to prevent it happening again is not to turning what used to be the land of the free to Oceania from 1984 or bombing countries overseas, but instead by taking a good look in the mirror and asking "Why?"

And, pray tell, what did the govermnent do that meant that thousands of innocent workers had to die? So, when my father is shot by some thug breaking into our house, instead of going after him with a shovel, I should look at my own life and say "gee, I wonder why he did that? It's probably because we have valuables and we locked him out. Well, next time I'll just be sure to give up all things of value and leave my door wide open." And, furthermore, you think that the barbarous actions done against the US are condoned because of our "atrocious foreign diplomacy", and yet you expect us to take that action and be civil about it? Since when is civility a proper responce to barbarism? Or are you insinuating that like a frat pledge we should just bend over and say "thank you, sir, may I have another"?

At 9/11/05 10:55 PM, LadyGrace wrote: Actions of politicians are much different than the actions of their citizens. Do Americans bitch at you for what King George did in the 18th century? No, because you had no power over that, just like we, as American citizens, have no power over what out politicians choose to do when they're in office.

Excuse me, I see that you're not British but Finnish. So, change that statement to "do you see Americans bitching at the British... etc."

Not to mention that it wasn't only American citizens that died in the attack. At least have respect for your own countrymen who died.

At 9/12/05 12:14 AM, Maus wrote: Not to mention that it wasn't only American citizens that died in the attack. At least have respect for your own countrymen who died.

<>Most all comments that follow the phrase [at least] are best not said :: All humans are equal :: The concept of nation should not so greatly affect human emotion in my opinion :: This is an issue adressed by the Stoics' concentric circles :: The circles that encompass the nation and those that encompass all humans need to be tight around the circle that contains the self :: all humans including the self are as human as one another<>

<>In any case I would like to point out that respecting and remembering the dead for the sake of the dead is useless :: We should remember and respect the dead for the sake of the living :: We continually mourn death yet we continually provoke it :: We're spilling milk and crying over it :: We should try to remember the spilled milk so that we no longer reproduce that mistake<>

<>This is all purely my opinion and I don't want to sound like it is a superior one to any's :: I'm up for an intelligent debate<>

September the 11th, in retrospect:

1541 - Santiago, Chile, is destroyed by indigenous warriors.

1649 - Siege of Drogheda ends: Oliver Cromwell's English Parliamentarian troops take the town and massacre its garrison.

1683 - Christian Army under the command of the King of Poland defeats an invading Muslim Army attempting to take Vienna.

1777 - Battle of Brandywine.
1814 - The Battle of Plattsburgh.

1857 - The Mountain Meadows Massacre: Mormon settlers and Paiutes massacre 120 pioneers at Mountain Meadows, Utah.

1943 - World War II: start of the liquidation of the Ghettos in Minsk and Lida by the Nazis.

This is to all those September 11ths which did not benefit from American media coverage.

R.I.P

At 9/11/05 10:55 PM, LadyGrace wrote:

Since when did all of America rise up and start a war? Last I was aware, the citizens have very little to do with the responciblities of their government.

Last I checked, good ole G.W won a democratically held election.

Actions of politicians are much different than the actions of their citizens. Do Americans bitch at you for what King George did in the 18th century? No, because you had no power over that, just like we, as American citizens, have no power over what out politicians choose to do when they're in office.

Monarchs are not elected officials. Poor choice of example. Here I thought your country had adopted the doctrine, " A government by the people, for the people".

And, pray tell, what did the govermnent do that meant that thousands of innocent workers had to die? So, when my father is shot by some thug breaking into our house, instead of going after him with a shovel, I should look at my own life and say "gee, I wonder why he did that? It's probably because we have valuables and we locked him out. Well, next time I'll just be sure to give up all things of value and leave my door wide open." And, furthermore, you think that the barbarous actions done against the US are condoned because of our "atrocious foreign diplomacy", and yet you expect us to take that action and be civil about it? Since when is civility a proper responce to barbarism? Or are you insinuating that like a frat pledge we should just bend over and say "thank you, sir, may I have another"?

Your government is pretentious in its doctrines and foreign policy that are without a shadow of a doubt simply self-serving.

At 9/12/05 12:41 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: why was 6 mossad agents found loitering near the WTC crash site?
why did 2000 jews didnt turn up for work on that very day?
why were 6 jews celebrating on their workplace's roof while videotaping the incident?
why did the israeli government prevent ariel sharon from going to the US for a celebration bbefore that day?
why...........?

It probably has something to do with none of those being true. Probably...

On the topic of 9/11 please tame it down this year, so far people that have lost someone that day haven't truly been able to mourn for there own losses of friends and family on there own. It's kinda agrivating that in a way you always have to share the pain of losing someone with an entire fucking country, it almost feels like everyone is telling you through all this "Remember the brave lives lost on 9/11" that the only thing worth noting about the people that died is that they got hit by a damn plane. It's been four years everyone should be done mourning as a country it's time to let people mourn alone for friends lost on the day they were lost and not for a national tragedy.

At 9/12/05 01:56 AM, SEXY_FETUS wrote: On the topic of 9/11 please tame it down this year, so far people that have lost someone that day haven't truly been able to mourn for there own losses of friends and family on there own.

I find it funny how similar your argument is to that one roman story, about how your supposed to kill rape victims so everyone can get over it.

Not that I disagree, I don't know, I just found that funny.

That came out too much as a bitch, I should be blamin myself for turnin on the tv.

Fuck it. I'm tired of this now. The anniversary of 9/11/01 is gone and past and way too many people on this board are fucking assholes. It sickens me to see that all of you are attacking an American made thread because it commemorates the loss of life for three thousand people in America! It also sickens me that you have to bring up other tragedies that we don't mourn because it isn't our country. I wouldn't attack any single Japanese person for bringing up Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I wouldn't attack any Jew for bringing up the Holocaust. I wouldn't attack any Iraqi citizen or sympathizer for bringing up the American atrocities that have happened in that country. This however, is the most recent terrorist attack in the United States on its own soil that killed the most people and brought together an entire country. Fuck everyone who thinks that day should not be remembered.