Saddam Confesses

[TheShrike]

Link [news.bbc.co.uk]

Is anyone surprised?

Now, I'm a bit skeptical. The way he behaved when he was captured, and afterwards made it seem to me that he'd willingly go to the grave denying all accusations.

The article does not say what he confessed to, but it hints that it may have to do with "executions" that took place while he was in power. No transcript or recording is provided, just some quips from the current Iraqi President, Jalal Talabani.

What if he didn't confess to anything? What if he did so under duress? Torture? Would anyone care?

[bcdemon]

Heavy duty confessions. Killing over 100,000 Kurds.
But what caught my eye was what the ex-insurgent Jalal Talibani said, that Saddam should be executed bucause he made a failed assassination attempt on his life. Yet Saddam is going to court for retaliating against a shiite village for a failed assassination attempt on his life.

Makes me wonder if the old insurgent, well we can even call him a terrorist (going by todays standards in Iraq, insurgent = terrorist) who now is president of Iraq had a hand in the "confessions". Also, with this 'confession', they figure Saddam would get executed right away, no need for any other trials on crimes that may be harder to convict him on. Kind of convenient.

[EZ3]

"Mr Talabani, who has a record of opposing the death penalty"

"Saddam deserves a death sentence 20 times a day because he tried to assassinate me 20 times," he (Talabani) said.

so... does he oppose the death penalty? or are they saying he usually is oppposed to the death penalty?

it sounds like he is gonna use the death penalty because saddam used the death penalty...

fucking BBC, poorly written articles.

[Ted-Easton]

He probably didn't confess to everything he has done, just admitted that some things happened.

"So, you ordered the Dujail killings?"
"Some people in Dujail died, yes."
"Aha!"

"What are you eating under there?"
"Under where?"
"Aha!"
Next day BBC Headline: SADDAM EATS UNDERWEAR

[US-Sniper]

Hes either going to get life in prison or Death what do you think?

I think Death

[night-watch-man18]

At 9/7/05 02:16 AM, TheShrike wrote: What if he didn't confess to anything? What if he did so under duress? Torture? Would anyone care?

You can never really know the truth unless you were there for the actually confession, so that's something that can't be proven. Is it likely that this confessional is true? Probably not. Is it likely that he was tortured at the time of the confession? Probably yes.

As for whether the truth behind executions happened, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind of it. Then again, pretty much every political power is corrupt in one way or another (not to down-play Saddam's actions at all).

Do I care?... In all honesty, not really. I could say that I do and go on about all the human rights issues for both sides of the argument, but I just really don't care whether the man spends life in prison or gets put to death (though for me, prison would be ideal). Do I care if he was tortured? Not really. I think we all pretty much know that Saddam had people killed while he was in power.

Meh.

[Loki]

How will he be executed? With guns or a rope?

This is sad :(

He's pitiful to me.

[bcdemon]

At 9/7/05 11:47 AM, FBIpolux wrote: How will he be executed? With guns or a rope?

This is sad :(

He's pitiful to me.

Hanged. Going by the current trend in Iraq anyway.

[punisher19848]

At 9/7/05 02:16 AM, TheShrike wrote: What if he didn't confess to anything? What if he did so under duress? Torture? Would anyone care?

Does it matter whether he confessed or not? WE already know they guy is mass murderer (he didn't even try to hide it), so his confessions mean nothing! Let's just give him a show trail at 11:30 and have him shot at noon so we can get back to more important issues.

[TropicalPenquin]

Look at where he was being held, most likely he was pushed into saying what he said

[Proteas]

At 9/7/05 03:53 AM, EZ3 wrote: fucking BBC, poorly written articles.

OMFG!!! Jerry Falwell told me about this... it's the tenth sign of the apocalypse. A black cloud will be covering the landscape soon... but it won't be a weather cloud it will be a flying mass of horny demons so thick it looks like a cloud!! TAKE COVER!!!!

[Loki]

At 9/7/05 12:43 PM, bcdemon wrote: Hanged. Going by the current trend in Iraq anyway.

:(

Hanging is for pussies.

Shooting is for proud people. I mean, when you're about to get killed, YOU have to say "FIRE"!

[Maus]

At 9/7/05 02:27 PM, FBIpolux wrote: Hanging is for pussies.

It's a much more gruesome way to die, depending on the hanging method. There's the 'drop and snap' and then there's the 'sway and twitch.' One snaps the neck, killing immediately, the other merely crushes the throat.

[thenewguysbrother]

Well, if they were torturing him, I wouldn't care. Come on, he put us in two wars! They torture him, he deserves it. Even if their wern't any WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction), he shuld be punished for what he did.

[TBlade87]

At 9/7/05 10:43 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: he is not to be blamed. its his own country. the one who deserve that kind of punishment is bush.

<sarcasm>I'm sorry, I didn't know people aren't to be blamed for genocide. That clears it all up. So I guess what G.B. has done out ways anything that Saddam has done. God your such an intelligent person. Why don't you have your own reality show!</sarcasm>

[specimen56]

The part of the article which stand out to me is this:
"a judge "was able to extract confessions" from the ousted leader."

Strange wording to me. Kinda implies things without actually implying them.

And would anyone care that he admitted to it under anycircumstances? Nope. At the end of the day, the Iraqui people get to see the man who subjected them to so many attrocities brought to justice. Whilst those who revered Saddam will now see him as a martyr... Thinking about its, its kinda a double edged sword really... I'm interested to see what the reaction will be because of this.

[TheShrike]

Now, don't get me wrong, I think he's a bastard, but isn't the fact that he may have made a confession because of torture, and the fact that no one cares... a major failing of justice?

[Jordannguyen]

At 9/7/05 10:43 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: he is not to be blamed. its his own country. the one who deserve that kind of punishment is bush.

dude what the hell are you talking about? bush might be a bad president but he didnt gas his own people....

[The-Dran]

At 9/7/05 05:57 PM, Jordannguyen wrote:

At 9/7/05 10:43 AM, marchingtyrants wrote: he is not to be blamed. its his own country. the one who deserve that kind of punishment is bush.

dude what the hell are you talking about? bush might be a bad president but he didnt gas his own people....

He did mess around with their brains, making them think we should go to war with Iraq for no true purpose at all. Except for maybe the oil.

[LazyDrunk]

At 9/7/05 06:02 PM, Dranigus wrote:
He did mess around with their brains, making them think we should go to war with Iraq for no true purpose at all.

You had me going . . .

Except for maybe the oil.

. . . until this part.

You've been just as brainwashed.

[bcdemon]

At 9/7/05 05:50 PM, TheShrike wrote: Now, don't get me wrong, I think he's a bastard, but isn't the fact that he may have made a confession because of torture, and the fact that no one cares... a major failing of justice?

I would say that is a complete failure of justice. But this is the US version of Iraq now, so justice is out the window. I'm still shocked nobody cares that an ex Kurdish terrorist is the president of Iraq.

[LazyDrunk]

At 9/7/05 06:18 PM, bcdemon wrote: I'm still shocked nobody cares that an ex Kurdish terrorist is the president of Iraq.

von Krosigk

[Jerconjake]

I don't know why they are bothering with confessions when they obviously already considered him guilty when they invaded, and used this presumed guilt to build up a case for invasion.

[Nomader]

Well, when you have videos... VIDEOS of you saying "People in here are traitors, and we shall thinnen the herd" (something like that) - he began to read off names, and one by one, people were taken outside and shot. So people began to chant "Long Live Suddam!" and other crap so they would live - he gased thousands upon thousands of kurds, and mass buried them - I would be suprised if he lived to his grave without a confession.

[bcdemon]

At 9/7/05 06:22 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

At 9/7/05 06:18 PM, bcdemon wrote: I'm still shocked nobody cares that an ex Kurdish terrorist is the president of Iraq.

von Krosigk

wow, the "g" is silent, never knew that. Thanx lazy...

[bcdemon]

Saddam did not confess.

According to his lawyer.

Go figure.