Do you like the new voting system?

[vibes]

I don't.

Sure, the portal is filled with green and blue entries and there's "so much good flash" to be found, but the whole place just stinks of generic bullshit.

Let me explain.

The first four movies I clicked onto today were created by some "flash movie company" (who are trying to crack it bigtime) who I've never heard of and half the time their company logo animation is better than the actual movie. Here are some examples of no name flash companies:

Flash Mania
coencartoon
sacred pie
Shiaomedia

They act as though they're some big shot animation studio but in reality it's some 14 year old kid with an overactive imagination. Anyway that's beside the point. Each of these four movies had fantastic graphics and animation skills (that's why they were blue/green) - but the movies still sucked! Why? Because they are lacking "IT". The passion, imagination and feeling put into the creation of a flash movie. Back in the old voting system the movies in the portal (although they were mostly crappy) still had personality, and that's why I enjoyed coming to Newgrounds. I could still watch a movie with shit graphics and very much enjoy it because it had an original theme and/or was really funny.

With the new voting system filtering out all the "crappy" movies, we're just left with piles upon piles of generic flash movies with great graphics but they are boring and don't hit a nerve (well, they don't with me). Some crappy movies can really be intelligent and witty but I guess people can't see that deep anymore. Nowadays anyone can be impressed by animation skills... screw the actual content of a movie!

And I don't think it helps the atmosphere of the portal when all 4 of these movies I watched today had a loading AND ending page which said "COME TO MY SITE TO SEE MORE OF THESE FLASH MOVIES" and had some stupid button to go to their site. It just degrades the flash movie with commercial shit splattered on it. Infact one movie I watched had it's website button displayed the ENTIRE way through the movie... how MORONIC! Like some one is going to stop watching a movie half way through to go to their website, and if they did stop half way through it's because they thought the movie sucked and they obviously wouldn't want to see any more of it on the person's website. It's getting too commercial.

Ultimatly what I'm saying is that this new voting system has deprived flash artists of the right to reach people without fancy-schmancy graphics or animation. IT IS POSSIBLE to make a great flash movie with minimal graphics that's either intelligent or funny or just has a strong originality factor. This has all been caused by the incentive to gain blam points. This is why I don't like the new voting system.

Now just to repeat the main points of my rant (so that morons don't say "OH YOU NOOB YOU DONT KNOW SHIT"):
- The new voting system has resulted in many more flash movies with excellent graphics and animation
- These movies, although they look good, ultimately suck because they lack feeling and depth. (This is in the majority of cases).
- Movies don't need good graphics to be good movies.

If you agree or disagree with me then post because I want to know what everyone else thinks. I'm not posting this so that Tom or Wade will read it and go "OH MY GOSH WHAT HAVE I DONE" and revert to the old system, I'm just voicing my opinion.

So... what do you think?
LETS HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ON NEWGROUNDS FOR ONCE YAY.

[Fatboy]

And now people go looking for movies with under 100 votes to blam. One of mine, which I thought was portal worthy, has been blammed.
Oh well.

[angstdrillhead]

I agree....

they should've done this a long time ago!! A huge change in websites make me angry.

[iOcide]

At 10/22/02 11:21 AM, vibes wrote: I don't.

Sure, the portal is filled with green and blue entries and there's "so much good flash" to be found, but the whole place just stinks of generic bullshit.

Let me explain.

The first four movies I clicked onto today were created by some "flash movie company" (who are trying to crack it bigtime) who I've never heard of and half the time their company logo animation is better than the actual movie. Here are some examples of no name flash companies:

Flash Mania
coencartoon
sacred pie
Shiaomedia

They act as though they're some big shot animation studio but in reality it's some 14 year old kid with an overactive imagination. Anyway that's beside the point. Each of these four movies had fantastic graphics and animation skills (that's why they were blue/green) - but the movies still sucked! Why? Because they are lacking "IT". The passion, imagination and feeling put into the creation of a flash movie. Back in the old voting system the movies in the portal (although they were mostly crappy) still had personality, and that's why I enjoyed coming to Newgrounds. I could still watch a movie with shit graphics and very much enjoy it because it had an original theme and/or was really funny.

With the new voting system filtering out all the "crappy" movies, we're just left with piles upon piles of generic flash movies with great graphics but they are boring and don't hit a nerve (well, they don't with me). Some crappy movies can really be intelligent and witty but I guess people can't see that deep anymore. Nowadays anyone can be impressed by animation skills... screw the actual content of a movie!

And I don't think it helps the atmosphere of the portal when all 4 of these movies I watched today had a loading AND ending page which said "COME TO MY SITE TO SEE MORE OF THESE FLASH MOVIES" and had some stupid button to go to their site. It just degrades the flash movie with commercial shit splattered on it. Infact one movie I watched had it's website button displayed the ENTIRE way through the movie... how MORONIC! Like some one is going to stop watching a movie half way through to go to their website, and if they did stop half way through it's because they thought the movie sucked and they obviously wouldn't want to see any more of it on the person's website. It's getting too commercial.

Ultimatly what I'm saying is that this new voting system has deprived flash artists of the right to reach people without fancy-schmancy graphics or animation. IT IS POSSIBLE to make a great flash movie with minimal graphics that's either intelligent or funny or just has a strong originality factor. This has all been caused by the incentive to gain blam points. This is why I don't like the new voting system.

Now just to repeat the main points of my rant (so that morons don't say "OH YOU NOOB YOU DONT KNOW SHIT"):
- The new voting system has resulted in many more flash movies with excellent graphics and animation
- These movies, although they look good, ultimately suck because they lack feeling and depth. (This is in the majority of cases).
- Movies don't need good graphics to be good movies.

If you agree or disagree with me then post because I want to know what everyone else thinks. I'm not posting this so that Tom or Wade will read it and go "OH MY GOSH WHAT HAVE I DONE" and revert to the old system, I'm just voicing my opinion.

So... what do you think?
LETS HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ON NEWGROUNDS FOR ONCE YAY.

haha intelligent discussion on NG.. haha.. anyhow. i like the new voting system, but i dont like how.. well.. im a pro-clock, and it looks like their movies are all but gone now because of eveyone blamming everything: look below

[Fizzo]

I dont mind the voting system. I Only Mind When People Vote 0 Without Watching My God Damn Flash!!

[ChromeX1337]

At 10/22/02 11:21 AM, vibes wrote: I don't.

Sure, the portal is filled with green and blue entries and there's "so much good flash" to be found, but the whole place just stinks of generic bullshit.

Let me explain.

The first four movies I clicked onto today were created by some "flash movie company" (who are trying to crack it bigtime) who I've never heard of and half the time their company logo animation is better than the actual movie. Here are some examples of no name flash companies:

Flash Mania
coencartoon
sacred pie
Shiaomedia

They act as though they're some big shot animation studio but in reality it's some 14 year old kid with an overactive imagination. Anyway that's beside the point. Each of these four movies had fantastic graphics and animation skills (that's why they were blue/green) - but the movies still sucked! Why? Because they are lacking "IT". The passion, imagination and feeling put into the creation of a flash movie. Back in the old voting system the movies in the portal (although they were mostly crappy) still had personality, and that's why I enjoyed coming to Newgrounds. I could still watch a movie with shit graphics and very much enjoy it because it had an original theme and/or was really funny.

With the new voting system filtering out all the "crappy" movies, we're just left with piles upon piles of generic flash movies with great graphics but they are boring and don't hit a nerve (well, they don't with me). Some crappy movies can really be intelligent and witty but I guess people can't see that deep anymore. Nowadays anyone can be impressed by animation skills... screw the actual content of a movie!

And I don't think it helps the atmosphere of the portal when all 4 of these movies I watched today had a loading AND ending page which said "COME TO MY SITE TO SEE MORE OF THESE FLASH MOVIES" and had some stupid button to go to their site. It just degrades the flash movie with commercial shit splattered on it. Infact one movie I watched had it's website button displayed the ENTIRE way through the movie... how MORONIC! Like some one is going to stop watching a movie half way through to go to their website, and if they did stop half way through it's because they thought the movie sucked and they obviously wouldn't want to see any more of it on the person's website. It's getting too commercial.

Ultimatly what I'm saying is that this new voting system has deprived flash artists of the right to reach people without fancy-schmancy graphics or animation. IT IS POSSIBLE to make a great flash movie with minimal graphics that's either intelligent or funny or just has a strong originality factor. This has all been caused by the incentive to gain blam points. This is why I don't like the new voting system.

Now just to repeat the main points of my rant (so that morons don't say "OH YOU NOOB YOU DONT KNOW SHIT"):
- The new voting system has resulted in many more flash movies with excellent graphics and animation
- These movies, although they look good, ultimately suck because they lack feeling and depth. (This is in the majority of cases).
- Movies don't need good graphics to be good movies.

If you agree or disagree with me then post because I want to know what everyone else thinks. I'm not posting this so that Tom or Wade will read it and go "OH MY GOSH WHAT HAVE I DONE" and revert to the old system, I'm just voicing my opinion.

So... what do you think?
LETS HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ON NEWGROUNDS FOR ONCE YAY.

You're right. To a lot of people, bad graphics = bad movie. I have to say, if the graphics are absolutely dire, I will not be able to enjoy the movie, but as long as you can tell what it is, it's OK.

[AdrenalineMJ]

I lurve the new system...

[Apherial]

At 10/22/02 09:59 PM, lordfril wrote: I lurve the new system...

Yesh, as do I. It's interesting.. to say the least.

[Bioprobe]

With the new system I actually watch the movie before i vote. I used to vote 0 on movies with a .99 or less without even watching it. I would think that people want to get a blam or protection point so they watch the movie and vote accordingly.

[WadeFulp]

At 10/22/02 11:21 AM, vibes wrote: I don't.

Sure, the portal is filled with green and blue entries and there's "so much good flash" to be found, but the whole place just stinks of generic bullshit.

I think you're missing the point. I thought you were more intelligent than this.

The TOP 50 is a filter. It isn't there to determine if someone put their heart and sole into something, it's there to sort the good from the bad. When things reach the Daily TOP 5, Top 20 of the week, TOP 50 of all time, that's when they will get their final and more fair judgement. What is 100 votes when a movie ends up having 5,000 or more votes? Don't you see? The TOP 50 is just a filter. Like "This is good, this is better" etc. Before the TOP 50 most recent wasn't an effective filter. Good things were going off the list before they could get enough votes to be considered for some of the top lists, or crap would get voted up by a group of people and end up in the TOP 5 because no one else was watching and voting it back down. Now the TOP 5 is more legit and fair. Come on, look at the bigger picture and stop fucking nit picking. I mean, now you're trying to down the new system because you think corporate movies are getting to much attention. What's next?? People of certain race are getting higher scores than other races? Give me a fucking break! The new system is MUCH MUCH better than the old system no matter what anyone says. The old system sucked. No one took the time to vote, it was a inefficent mess. People think the new system is inflated, well I say the old system was more corrupt! With the old system we saw crap being submitted at 8pm and being voted up by a group of 5-15 people and making it into the TOP 5. This was a common occurance, and I haven't seen that happening lately. If someone submits crap and tries to vote it up, they are over powered.

[mattymetro]

At 10/23/02 12:35 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I think you're missing the point. I thought you were more intelligent than this.

Deeeammm... wade rockin the insults... :-/

[WadeFulp]

I just think Vibes is upset because some of his clock buddies can't sneak their crap movies into the portal, gang vote them 5, and get Daily Feature anymore:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=59135
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=52316

Think those movies would get Daily Feature with the new sytem? I rest my fucking god damn mother fucking case! :)

[mattymetro]

HAHHAHA... wade!! relax!... you need a beer, guy.

[Fatboy]

At 10/23/02 12:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I just think Vibes is upset because some of his clock buddies can't sneak their crap movies into the portal, gang vote them 5, and get Daily Feature anymore:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=59135
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=52316

Think those movies would get Daily Feature with the new sytem? I rest my fucking god damn mother fucking case! :)

Actually, the clocks make some damn good movies, ergo:
L is amazing.
Z is funny as anything.
Clockland is a well actionscripted game, and QuarterMelonClock is working hard on it,
AND SWEARING IS BAD.

[WadeFulp]

At 10/23/02 01:09 PM, Fatboy_ wrote:

At 10/23/02 12:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I just think Vibes is upset because some of his clock buddies can't sneak their crap movies into the portal, gang vote them 5, and get Daily Feature anymore:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=59135
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=52316

Think those movies would get Daily Feature with the new sytem? I rest my fucking god damn mother fucking case! :)

Actually, the clocks make some damn good movies, ergo:
L is amazing.
Z is funny as anything.
Clockland is a well actionscripted game, and QuarterMelonClock is working hard on it,
AND SWEARING IS BAD.

Did I say some clocks didn't make great movies? I just used those entires as an example. While the Clock Crew tries their best to have good practices, some of them don't follow the senior leadership. They submit crap, and get some other rouge clocks to support their crap and give it 5. There are other users and groups that do the same thing, not just certain clocks. I'm just saying we have seen total ship make Daily Feature, beating out other submissions that took more work. Here's an example:

Old system:

Crap was submitted, voted up, wins Daily Feature.
Same day something good is submitted, doesn't get enough votes until the next day and finally is considered for the Daily feature.

New system:
Crap submitted, gone in less than 15 minutes.
Something good submitted, has enough votes in 15 minutes to be considered for that days TOP 5.

[ShockAndTerror]

vibes made a good point, tho...

[HlTLER]

At 10/23/02 01:24 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 10/23/02 01:09 PM, Fatboy_ wrote:

At 10/23/02 12:57 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I just think Vibes is upset because some of his clock buddies can't sneak their crap movies into the portal, gang vote them 5, and get Daily Feature anymore:

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=59135
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=52316

Think those movies would get Daily Feature with the new sytem? I rest my fucking god damn mother fucking case! :)

Actually, the clocks make some damn good movies, ergo:
L is amazing.
Z is funny as anything.
Clockland is a well actionscripted game, and QuarterMelonClock is working hard on it,
AND SWEARING IS BAD.

Did I say some clocks didn't make great movies? I just used those entires as an example. While the Clock Crew tries their best to have good practices, some of them don't follow the senior leadership. They submit crap, and get some other rouge clocks to support their crap and give it 5. There are other users and groups that do the same thing, not just certain clocks. I'm just saying we have seen total ship make Daily Feature, beating out other submissions that took more work. Here's an example:

Old system:

Crap was submitted, voted up, wins Daily Feature.
Same day something good is submitted, doesn't get enough votes until the next day and finally is considered for the Daily feature.

New system:
Crap submitted, gone in less than 15 minutes.
Something good submitted, has enough votes in 15 minutes to be considered for that days TOP 5.

I like it... I like the new blam system alot!

[Superabound]

At 10/23/02 12:35 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

The TOP 50 is a filter. It isn't there to determine if someone put their heart and sole into something, it's there to sort the good from the bad. When things reach the Daily TOP 5, Top 20 of the week, TOP 50 of all time, that's when they will get their final and more fair judgement.

So youre saying that the only movies that matter and deserve a fair vote are the ones in the Top 5, 20 & 50???

I thought NG was a place for people to submit their movies and have their work seen, not to OMFG REACH THE TOP 50.

And why is Wade absolutely REFUSING to listen to the actual OPINIONS of people on the fucking site?

Any time someone says anything bad about the new system hes like "OMFG STFU BEST SYSTEM EVER NO MATTER WHAT TIMES INFINITY NO TAKEBACKS!"

Id find an example of this childish behavior but im too lazy to go searching for one.

The new system is MUCH MUCH better than the old system no matter what anyone says.

OMFG THERES ONE RIGHT THERE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The old system sucked. No one took the time to vote, it was a inefficent mess. People think the new system is inflated, well I say the old system was more corrupt! With the old system we saw crap being submitted at 8pm and being voted up by a group of 5-15 people and making it into the TOP 5. This was a common occurance, and I haven't seen that happening lately. If someone submits crap and tries to vote it up, they are over powered.

...by 13 year olds.

Stop refusing to listen to people and accept the fact that the only people who like the new system are the same ones who got wood every time they blammed a movie.

Like, im SORRY you and Tom wasted all that time making "kewl" little badges and ranks and all that fun stuff, but you just need to let it go.

Just let it go Wade, let it go...

[Lordalmar]

At 10/24/02 05:10 AM, Superabound wrote:
So youre saying that the only movies that matter and deserve a fair vote are the ones in the Top 5, 20 & 50???

I thought NG was a place for people to submit their movies and have their work seen, not to OMFG REACH THE TOP 50.

And why is Wade absolutely REFUSING to listen to the actual OPINIONS of people on the fucking site?

Any time someone says anything bad about the new system hes like "OMFG STFU BEST SYSTEM EVER NO MATTER WHAT TIMES INFINITY NO TAKEBACKS!"

Id find an example of this childish behavior but im too lazy to go searching for one.

OMFG THERES ONE RIGHT THERE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


...by 13 year olds.

Stop refusing to listen to people and accept the fact that the only people who like the new system are the same ones who got wood every time they blammed a movie.

Like, im SORRY you and Tom wasted all that time making "kewl" little badges and ranks and all that fun stuff, but you just need to let it go.

Just let it go Wade, let it go...

You don't seem to get it do you, the 50 most recent IS A FILTER!! After a movie gets 100 or more votes, it can be moved to a more fitting place on one of the other lists.

The 50 most recent is just the first step in determining a movies place. Just because a movie has a high score after getting off the 50 most recent, DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL STAY THAT WAY!

Once a movie gets on one of the lists, it is easier to vote on. Because, it is not dissapearing under all the new submissions.

Some of the better entries on the top 50 of all time, DIDN'T START WHERE THEY ARE, it took time to determine there place. Lets says when a movie is put on the top 50 of all time, it started at 50. Over time howerver, it rises to 20 because of the score slowly changing.

The new system is working VERY WELL. The portal will have alot of color coded movies on it, untill they are moved to a different list. After they are moved to a different list, the REAL voting starts.

In conclusion, if alot of color coded movies appear on the 50 newest submissions, DON'T FREAK OUT JUST YET!! They just need time for them to be put in there place, and that takes LOTS OF VOTING!!

If a movie has a score people think is unfair, after it is placed on a list, it will get more votes and the score will level out to be more what it should be.

Do you understand the point now? I sure hope you do, because its not to hard to figure out. All you have to do is think a little more, and you will understand how it works.

[a-butt-lmao]

I <3 it.

[lightning]

i like that blam movie

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/portal_delete.swf

[vibes]

OMG.. (slightly) intelligent discussion on the Newgrounds BBS! I have succeeded! WEEEEEE

Anyway, he's my response to the posts so far.

I stand by my argument but I think everyone's kind of missing the point: my main bitch was the fact that everyone considers good flash to be based solely on graphics, and the new system supports this assumption.

Wade you have some good points but I think you're using confidential information completely out of context. I'm not bitching at you guys to change anything, I'm just commenting on what I see. That's one side of you I haven't seen before! :-P

And I also agree with what Superabound said... about voicing opinions.. n stuff.

Keep this topic alive!

[WadeFulp]

At 10/24/02 10:40 AM, vibes wrote: OMG.. (slightly) intelligent discussion on the Newgrounds BBS! I have succeeded! WEEEEEE

Anyway, he's my response to the posts so far.

I stand by my argument but I think everyone's kind of missing the point: my main bitch was the fact that everyone considers good flash to be based solely on graphics, and the new system supports this assumption.

Wade you have some good points but I think you're using confidential information completely out of context. I'm not bitching at you guys to change anything, I'm just commenting on what I see. That's one side of you I haven't seen before! :-P

And I also agree with what Superabound said... about voicing opinions.. n stuff.

Keep this topic alive!

I don't mind people voicing their opinions, it just bugs me when they say we should ditch the new system because of a little insignificant problem. Like "oh, there's this little flaw over here, so you should go back to the old system!"

Trust me, the good points out weigh the negative points so far. We are still keeping a close eye on the new system.

I think in time it will become more accurate as people figure out how it works. Even if some people are only voting 0 or 5, this isn't a bad thing. It's basically like the "Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down" system we considered doing. I see movie's with all kinds of scores, so it's not like all the movies are either 0.00 or 5.00. I think the only BIG concern right now is that some things maybe being blammed that shouldn't be. Not that these submissions are great high quality things, but submissions that took some work and effort. Someone could work on a Flash movie or game for a month, or a year, but it could still be total crap and not excepted by the masses. That's just the breaks. Some people just don't have it. Or they need to try even harder before submitting again.

What we need is a bunch of high ranking NG users to really keep an eye out for stuff that is being blammed that shouldn't be, and step up and vote it up to try and turn the tide.

[Josh]

I think the voting system is great, it helped clean out all the crap that have been living on this site for a long time. I hope this makes newgrounds run faster.

[QuarterMelonClock]

At 10/24/02 11:06 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

"I think the only BIG concern right now is that some things maybe being blammed that shouldn't be. "

Which is exactly why you should hide the vote for at least the first 20. People who want points will be forced to vote fairly. EVERYBODY WINS.

[WadeFulp]

At 10/24/02 11:29 AM, QuarterMelonClock wrote:

At 10/24/02 11:06 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

"I think the only BIG concern right now is that some things maybe being blammed that shouldn't be. "

Which is exactly why you should hide the vote for at least the first 20. People who want points will be forced to vote fairly. EVERYBODY WINS.

We thought through this. If we hide the first 20-25 votes people won't vote! :) They will hold back their vote until they can see the score. This takes us back to square 1. We would have to hide the vote score until 100. This could possibly save some things from being blammed, but I doubt it. In fact it could be worse.

Say you see something that is border line, now you figure, well, this will probably be blammed, so you vote 0. If you could see the score though you might see, hey, some other people like this and it has a 1.75 so I will vote to protect this!

I'm just not convinced it would really be more fair. Keep trying to convince me. :) The more different views we get the better decision we can make.

[PriKedELiK]

yes fuck da commercial!
fuck the intros
FUCK THE GREETINGS!
we
wanna
PONGO!

[AssFudge]

I also love this new system. I vote on 5 movies everyday to get points and the vote page doesn't take too long to load. This is good cuz I have a slow collection. I prefer the words than Pico throwing something at an icon. It's a lot faster for me and I usually finish my NG visit in 10 minutes.

[Superabound]

At 10/24/02 11:06 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

I think in time it will become more accurate as people figure out how it works. Even if some people are only voting 0 or 5, this isn't a bad thing. It's basically like the "Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down" system we considered doing.

WHICH NOBODY LIKED

[Myst]

At 10/22/02 11:21 AM, vibes wrote: I don't.

Sure, the portal is filled with green and blue entries and there's "so much good flash" to be found, but the whole place just stinks of generic bullshit.

Let me explain.

The first four movies I clicked onto today were created by some "flash movie company" (who are trying to crack it bigtime) who I've never heard of and half the time their company logo animation is better than the actual movie. Here are some examples of no name flash companies:

Flash Mania
coencartoon
sacred pie
Shiaomedia

They act as though they're some big shot animation studio but in reality it's some 14 year old kid with an overactive imagination. Anyway that's beside the point. Each of these four movies had fantastic graphics and animation skills (that's why they were blue/green) - but the movies still sucked! Why? Because they are lacking "IT". The passion, imagination and feeling put into the creation of a flash movie. Back in the old voting system the movies in the portal (although they were mostly crappy) still had personality, and that's why I enjoyed coming to Newgrounds. I could still watch a movie with shit graphics and very much enjoy it because it had an original theme and/or was really funny.

With the new voting system filtering out all the "crappy" movies, we're just left with piles upon piles of generic flash movies with great graphics but they are boring and don't hit a nerve (well, they don't with me). Some crappy movies can really be intelligent and witty but I guess people can't see that deep anymore. Nowadays anyone can be impressed by animation skills... screw the actual content of a movie!

And I don't think it helps the atmosphere of the portal when all 4 of these movies I watched today had a loading AND ending page which said "COME TO MY SITE TO SEE MORE OF THESE FLASH MOVIES" and had some stupid button to go to their site. It just degrades the flash movie with commercial shit splattered on it. Infact one movie I watched had it's website button displayed the ENTIRE way through the movie... how MORONIC! Like some one is going to stop watching a movie half way through to go to their website, and if they did stop half way through it's because they thought the movie sucked and they obviously wouldn't want to see any more of it on the person's website. It's getting too commercial.

Ultimatly what I'm saying is that this new voting system has deprived flash artists of the right to reach people without fancy-schmancy graphics or animation. IT IS POSSIBLE to make a great flash movie with minimal graphics that's either intelligent or funny or just has a strong originality factor. This has all been caused by the incentive to gain blam points. This is why I don't like the new voting system.

Now just to repeat the main points of my rant (so that morons don't say "OH YOU NOOB YOU DONT KNOW SHIT"):
- The new voting system has resulted in many more flash movies with excellent graphics and animation
- These movies, although they look good, ultimately suck because they lack feeling and depth. (This is in the majority of cases).
- Movies don't need good graphics to be good movies.

If you agree or disagree with me then post because I want to know what everyone else thinks. I'm not posting this so that Tom or Wade will read it and go "OH MY GOSH WHAT HAVE I DONE" and revert to the old system, I'm just voicing my opinion.

So... what do you think?
LETS HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION ON NEWGROUNDS FOR ONCE YAY.

I fear for myself to say this about a worker at newgrounds but WADE SUCKS.

ISN'T WADE the one who came up with this crap.
Oops Wades going to seek the death penality on me cause i said that.