Sexism in.. building codes?

[JoS]

I think the building codes in Ontario are sexist. In a new update to them (late 1990's) that all new stadiums, theaters etc are required to have a minimum of two times as many female washroom stalls as they do male stalls. This is so sexist. Especially since the primary use of stadiums is sporting events which have a higher male attendance rate then female. Its discrimination against us because we pee faster.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/5/05 08:22 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: I think the building codes in Ontario are sexist. In a new update to them (late 1990's) that all new stadiums, theaters etc are required to have a minimum of two times as many female washroom stalls as they do male stalls. This is so sexist. Especially since the primary use of stadiums is sporting events which have a higher male attendance rate then female. Its discrimination against us because we pee faster.

Then defecate in the urinals.

...what?

Considering most people only urinate in public restrooms, and men only need urinals, not stalls and toilets, to urinate, there's no need to have so many stalls in the men's bathroom.

[seventy-one]

Also, women have to go more often than men (from what I've seen), so instead of there being long lines there are more stalls available.

[Elfer]

They changed this some time back, actually.

It was to reduce the line waiting times for women.

[Maus]

Don't toilet stalls take up a lot more physical space than urinals? You can put two urinals where one stall would go.

[Gunter45]

At 9/5/05 08:30 PM, Elfer wrote: They changed this some time back, actually.

It was to reduce the line waiting times for women.

True, womens' bathroom lines tend to be a lot longer than the mens' room.

[JoS]

At 9/5/05 08:30 PM, Maus wrote: Don't toilet stalls take up a lot more physical space than urinals? You can put two urinals where one stall would go.

They require the same width but not the same length, so although yes they take up less floor space you still need just as much wall space. And for guys you cant just build urinals, lots of times people use stalls too, so you need both. now if you build extra for the guys you need twice as manye xtra for the girls, despite the fact the majority of a stadiums clientel is men.

[MonkeyHood]

It's also that females are generally more hygenic than males.

They wash their hands a lot more than we do.

[Elfer]

At 9/5/05 09:00 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: They require the same width but not the same length, so although yes they take up less floor space you still need just as much wall space.

Nah, stalls actually take up more wall space. I mean, think about it, they've got the door on the stall, then some extra space on either side. Next time you're in a stall, think about how much shoulder room you have compared to a urinal.

This is kind of unrelated, but know what I like? Those dividers that they have between urinals sometimes. I did a research project on personal space once, and that's when I realized that those urinal dividers were actually a very simple and elegant solution to an odd problem.

[Gunter45]

At 9/5/05 09:08 PM, Elfer wrote: This is kind of unrelated, but know what I like? Those dividers that they have between urinals sometimes. I did a research project on personal space once, and that's when I realized that those urinal dividers were actually a very simple and elegant solution to an odd problem.

Gotta love those dividers. They, while not completely eliminating, reduce the need for a buffer zone.

[JoS]

At 9/5/05 09:08 PM, Elfer wrote: This is kind of unrelated, but know what I like? Those dividers that they have between urinals sometimes. I did a research project on personal space once, and that's when I realized that those urinal dividers were actually a very simple and elegant solution to an odd problem.

If you use the dividers you need almost the same space, without them you could fit maybe 3 urinals or 2 stalls.

[Memorize]

I dont really see much sexism in it. Altho in my old school, the women's restroom was 3 times as large, with 2 couches and lockers. Whereas the men's restroom has little cubbies where anyone could just walk in and steal something in them.

[Ted-Easton]

The only difference is that mens have urinals. Chances are, the stalls in a mens plus the urinals adds up to the number of stalls in a womens bathroom.

I don't see how this was even a topic for discussion. Sexism in the public policy on washrooms?

[Gunter45]

You know what, men don't need lavish bathrooms. We get in, do our business, wash our hands, and get out. I don't see what all the hubbub is about.

[IllustriousPotentate]

I can actually think of a reverse example of this, being sexist in favor of males.

Many fast food joints around here that have just one unisex bathroom, not only have a toilet in them, but a urinal as well. What purpose does this serve? If only one person can use this bathroom at a time, why would you need a urinal that can only be used by one-half the population when everybody can use the toilet?

[Memorize]

At 9/5/05 09:32 PM, -Illustrious- wrote: why would you need a urinal that can only be used by one-half the population when everybody can use the toilet?

Sounds like a waste of money to me.

[The-Dran]

At 9/5/05 09:17 PM, TimeFrame wrote: I dont really see much sexism in it. Altho in my old school, the women's restroom was 3 times as large, with 2 couches and lockers. Whereas the men's restroom has little cubbies where anyone could just walk in and steal something in them.

They have those in every school where I live, Norview High School, Lake Taylor High School, Granby High School, Booker T. High School (funny name, yes?), and Azalea High School.

In my community the women normally have three or four times as many rights and luxiouries as the guys do.

For instance, a car dealer man has to speak in only certain manner when talking to anyone and must only show respect and consideracity to a woman. Meanwhile a car dealer woman doesn't have to do any of that. Norfolk is very sexist.

[The-Dran]

At 9/5/05 09:36 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/5/05 09:32 PM, -Illustrious- wrote: why would you need a urinal that can only be used by one-half the population when everybody can use the toilet?

Sounds like a waste of money to me.

Well I've seen boys in elementary school use a urinal as a toilet. So I don't know.

But why are you both attacking own kind though?

You hate your penises?

[Memorize]

At 9/5/05 09:40 PM, Dranigus wrote:

But why are you both attacking own kind though?

If it's a bathroom where only 1 person goes in at a time. Then there's no reason to have a urinal next to a stall.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 9/5/05 09:40 PM, Dranigus wrote: But why are you both attacking own kind though?

You hate your penises?

No one's attacking anybody. The OP just posted about how a statute requiring additional fixtures for women was sexist; I just pointed out that there are similiar "sexist" fixtures in the form of unnecessary urinals (which, BTW, would be a great name for a band) that are for use by men only, but aren't needed.

After all, men can urinate in a toilet just as easily as they can in a urinal. You urinate in a toilet at home, don't ya?

[The-Dran]

Nah I've got a urinal in my house.

[animecounty]

At 9/5/05 09:17 PM, TimeFrame wrote: I dont really see much sexism in it. Altho in my old school, the women's restroom was 3 times as large, with 2 couches and lockers. Whereas the men's restroom has little cubbies where anyone could just walk in and steal something in them.

if it doesn't benefit the female then its sexist. Thats pretty much what it has come down to. At our school the girls bathroom is cleaned more often than the guys.

Anyway with the article.. I don't see it as sexist myself lol.

[The-Dran]

Um sexist is anything that isn't equal to both genders.

[Maus]

At 9/5/05 09:07 PM, MonkeyHood wrote: It's also that females are generally more hygenic than males.

They wash their hands a lot more than we do.

I remember seeing something a while ago about how women were LESS apt to wash their hands after using the restroom. By wash, I mean use soap. I've witnessed countless women coming out of a stall, walking up to the sink next to mine, running water over their hands for a second, and then leaving.

Through experience with many menial jobs, women's restrooms are filthier than men's rooms. Women are PIGS in public restrooms.

But yeah, it takes forever to pee. The whole having to squat/hover takes up time, or if you HAVE to sit, lining the seat and whatnot. If you're like me, you hover and then take the time to wipe off the splashback on the seat. Followed by a vigorous scrubbing of the hands with soap and water, and using a paper towel to open the door.

...

Yeah.

[animecounty]

At 9/5/05 11:47 PM, Dranigus wrote: Um sexist is anything that isn't equal to both genders.

Yes we all know that but for the feminist its naything that puts them at an advantage over males. There is a double standard wake up and see it!!!

[The-Dran]

At 9/6/05 01:07 AM, animecounty wrote:

At 9/5/05 11:47 PM, Dranigus wrote: Um sexist is anything that isn't equal to both genders.

Yes we all know that but for the feminist its naything that puts them at an advantage over males. There is a double standard wake up and see it!!!

Yes I am quite aware of feminists and their hatrid towards men and heterosexual women. That is why I follow the anti-feminist association of Equalists to bring back the equality between the sexes.

[JoS]

At 9/5/05 09:23 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: The only difference is that mens have urinals. Chances are, the stalls in a mens plus the urinals adds up to the number of stalls in a womens bathroom.

The number of fixtures for women must be twice of the mens, and under the code a urnial is exactly the same as a toliet for this purpose. I say we put some urinals int eh womens washroom, or go to unisex washrooms. I share a bathroom with 20 other people (3 stalls 1 urinal), both women and men.

In response to the comment about urinals in fast food washrooms, somePortapoties have both in them, shoudl we classify those as men only or unisex?

[EZ3]

Everytime I think I'm entering a serious discussion about sexism, I get a fucking 14 year old male complaining about the world being sexist towards males. Women take longer to pee. THEY HAVE PERIODS and other things that require more stall time. Have you seen lines for women's wash rooms? I love how you fucking retort to sporting events as being mostly attended by males. Stadiums have other uses like concerts, which often have more females. Why even complain about this? Stop acting like men are a victimes. Like we suffer. Turn on your tv, every fucking moment a woman is being portrayed as an unrealisticly beautiful and shallow sex object. fuckin pig.

[EZ3]

ALSO, you signiture pic is sexist. ass.

[The-Dran]

Okay, someone has got a middle-age crisis going on.

Backs away from the crazy 35 year old man.

Male PMS, it is so damn scary.

Hey if you must know this isn't about women peeing, this about women having atleast twice as many stalls as men in a place you normally don't see that many women at.

I can understand if they had more stalls in a woman's restroom for like in schools and such, where there obvious an equal or larger number of women. But come on now... Some of those stalls might never be used.