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At 9/3/05 03:04 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

At 9/3/05 02:55 PM, TimeFrame wrote:
Bush is sending in the National Gaurd to get back order. That is doing something.

AFTER HOW MANY DAYS?!

Yes, this is bullshit. One, they knew there was a great possiblity for disaster. Two, God knows the military can call up the army and put them on full alert/standby. Three, the military can get its ass in gear in a hurry if need be. There should have been no 'lets see how bad it gets', it should have been 'Throw fucking everything we have at it!!' No, lets hem and haw and see how many people could die, then send what we got. Hum... a little prepareness goes a long way - better to be safe than sorry eh? Whoops, Emergency Prepareness Dept.

Hear hear to Nagin for all his efforts. Kinda like Arnold with his "Stop being wussy-men!" comment.

At 9/3/05 03:28 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/3/05 03:04 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

AFTER HOW MANY DAYS?!

Is that all you can come up with? You incorrectly said that he did nothing when in fact he is doing something. Im not talking about how many days.

yeah he did something after people died, after people were left homeless, after people were stranded on thier roof for days, after people WERE LEFT TO DIE!

At 9/3/05 05:32 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

yeah he did something after people died, after people were left homeless, after people were stranded on thier roof for days, after people WERE LEFT TO DIE!

Oh yes, because we have the technology to form a technological barrier around the city to protect it from a hurricane.

well the national guard was sent mostly because of the looters im not talking about the people getting food to survive im talking about the people that walked out of footlocker with 100 pairs of nike shoes. those are the people that should do something instead of taking advantage of a disaster. also why hasn’t the REST of the world given aid we helped with the tsunami. also all the money in the world wont fix what happened they need people more then money.

At 9/3/05 05:37 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/3/05 05:32 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

yeah he did something after people died, after people were left homeless, after people were stranded on thier roof for days, after people WERE LEFT TO DIE!

Oh yes, because we have the technology to form a technological barrier around the city to protect it from a hurricane.

Did I say that he could have prevented this hurricane? NO! BUT!! WE DO have a technological barrier around the city to protect it from the raging ocean water that the hurricane creates!!

He could have atleast done something sooner, instead of waiting days after to finaly do something. He could have atleast told the National Guard to go down there and help A DAY MAX., after the storm calmed. BUT NO, HE WAITED...

At 9/3/05 05:49 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote: after the storm calmed. BUT NO, HE WAITED...

I never said he didnt wait.

At 9/3/05 05:49 PM, cory_royal wrote: also why hasn’t the REST of the world given aid we helped with the tsunami. also all the money in the world wont fix what happened they need people more then money.

The rest of the world has donated money....

and yes, we need more people down there to help with this....

At 9/3/05 05:51 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

At 9/3/05 05:49 PM, cory_royal wrote: also why hasn’t the REST of the world given aid we helped with the tsunami. also all the money in the world wont fix what happened they need people more then money.

The rest of the world has donated money....

woops my mistake :/ hard keeping up with the new without cable

At 9/3/05 05:37 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/3/05 05:32 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote:

yeah he did something after people died, after people were left homeless, after people were stranded on thier roof for days, after people WERE LEFT TO DIE!

Oh yes, because we have the technology to form a technological barrier around the city to protect it from a hurricane.

I think he meant the reaction time for rescuing and aid to finally reach those poor people.

Lol, the funny thing is that technically we could stop a hurricane, but it would be completely unorthodox. Simply drop a tactical nuke into the core of it, creating a huge disruption to the heat-cold transfer that makes a hurricane... Yes I know, its stupid, but it could work! (lol)

At 9/3/05 05:50 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/3/05 05:49 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote: after the storm calmed. BUT NO, HE WAITED...

I never said he didnt wait.

OK, thanks...
You know what I don't feel like arguing about this with u....its just wasting my time...

Lol, the funny thing is that technically we could stop a hurricane, but it would be completely unorthodox. Simply drop a tactical nuke into the core of it, creating a huge disruption to the heat-cold transfer that makes a hurricane... Yes I know, its stupid, but it could work! (lol)

lol, should drop 2 for good measure :)

It be hilarious if the nukes, for some reason, make it grow bigger...

Ok, some how this topic transformed into a topic about hurricanes and nukes? lol

At 9/3/05 06:12 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote: Ok, some how this topic transformed into a topic about hurricanes and nukes? lol

Hey, its somehow related to Nagin... somehow... (lol)

At 9/3/05 02:40 AM, DragTheWater wrote: i agree that its bad these people are dying, but they had 3 freaking days to get out and what did they do? nothing. some people are old, i understand that. but look on the news most of those people are able bodied, even if they didnt have money they could have car pooled or something. the mayor is all talking about something should be done, well he should have had city transports take the sick, elderly, and poor out of his freaking city. i was even watching tonight about how the levys could have been updated to withstand more force. im sorry but i have little remorse for people who refuse to heed the voice of reason then expect someone to come bail them out. people get warned, and when something bad happens its all "woe is me". they had the time to get out, they didnt, now they are suffering.

Your a moron. New orleans is a city of over 500,000+ Could you imagine the gridlock that would've caused. Even carpolling I'd highly doubt you could get the entire city on New Orleans in 3 days. And it wasn;t just neworleans that had to be evacuated Most of southern Mississippe and Louisiana would've had to be evacuated. More people probabily would've died just being stranded in gridlock than than the amount that died now. Honeslt No one shoulld've died because with 3 days advance warning you could've had all these resources ready by the time Hurricane katrina hit. You wanna blame someone for being a moron Blame the goverment for not having the forethought to assemble the national gaurd and all these Rescuemen ahead of time.

At 9/3/05 06:47 PM, nukechicken wrote:

At 9/3/05 02:40 AM, DragTheWater wrote:

Your a moron. New orleans is a city of over 500,000+ Could you imagine the gridlock that would've caused. Even carpolling I'd highly doubt you could get the entire city on New Orleans in 3 days. And it wasn;t just neworleans that had to be evacuated Most of southern Mississippe and Louisiana would've had to be evacuated. More people probabily would've died just being stranded in gridlock than than the amount that died now. Honeslt No one shoulld've died because with 3 days advance warning you could've had all these resources ready by the time Hurricane katrina hit. You wanna blame someone for being a moron Blame the goverment for not having the forethought to assemble the national gaurd and all these Rescuemen ahead of time.

grodlock? there are more than just a few ways out of the freaking city. there are planes, boats, alt roads, bicycles, and feet. all of these things would have functioned 3 days before the hurricane. the mayor is a complete failure at life, his levys where not up to par and his plans for disater where horrible. it is not the job of the federal government to hold the hand of every major city, we have local government so that the feds dont have to micro manage. you sir are the moron

At 9/3/05 11:33 PM, DragTheWater wrote: the mayor is a complete failure at life, his levys where not up to par and his plans for disater where horrible.

I've been hearing that New Orleans would be fucked if it were hit by a hurricane since I was able to understand language. It's been a fact since New Orleans has been in exsistance. The mayor was elected three years ago.

How the fuck is it his fault?

At 9/3/05 11:33 PM, DragTheWater wrote: grodlock? there are more than just a few ways out of the freaking city. there are planes, boats, alt roads, bicycles, and feet. all of these things would have functioned 3 days before the hurricane. the mayor is a complete failure at life, his levys where not up to par and his plans for disater where horrible. it is not the job of the federal government to hold the hand of every major city, we have local government so that the feds dont have to micro manage. you sir are the moron

You are absolutely correct, on 1 thing only. The New Orleans levees were not upto category 5 hurricane strength. But thats all you got right.

The Army Core of Engineers is in charge of building, repairing and upgrading levees in New Orleans. The federal government (not the mayor) is in charge of funding teh Army Core of Engineers. Funding for the New Orleans levees upgrades was cut by 21% this year.

Sorry,
Cajuns piss me off.
Edn.

And you know those levees that failed were on the river(or lake...i think lake) next to New Orleans....they failed because they were out of date, and could not handle a category 5 hurricane....

The water level rose OVER the levees and then the levee failed....

I dont understand why so many people are angry at everything.

stop pointing fingers. look, nobody knew untill a few days before that a cat. 5 hurrican was going to hit such a large area. or that so many people weren't going to leave the areas being evacuated.

you can't really expect people to take drills seriously.

it takes a disaster like this to open eyes and fine tune certain emergency services.

the military can't do much right now because the city is under so much water and has a lot of debris under that water.

last thing we need is 30 marine attack boats sinking before they even get to people who need the help.

but yes, in any event there is always room for improvements.

i think that maybe the US government could have started getting ready for the worste case scenario while the storm was moving in, instead of waiting to find out what will happen.

but people are pulling together and helping, if you recall it took weeks for people to really start donating money and resources to the Tsunami - and here we are, less then a week after the hurricane hit and we're already almost finished coptering out the survivors and services starting to trickle in from around the world.

and dont complain about Bush not taking money from other countries, because in reality, the US government doesnt need the money,a dn those countries could probably do better keeping it, because we have enough of our own if anyone even pays attention to our defense budget. the red cross and other repiteable orginizations are what need the money now, not the government.

At 9/4/05 02:51 AM, bcdemon wrote:

At 9/3/05 11:33 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

You are absolutely correct, on 1 thing only. The New Orleans levees were not upto category 5 hurricane strength. But thats all you got right.

The Army Core of Engineers is in charge of building, repairing and upgrading levees in New Orleans. The federal government (not the mayor) is in charge of funding teh Army Core of Engineers. Funding for the New Orleans levees upgrades was cut by 21% this year.

idk i think you need to provide a link, because every builing project i ever heard of within a city was on local government aside from military bases. i dont forsee those kinds of decisions going past the state level. but if you can prove me wrong do it.

At 9/3/05 12:28 AM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote: Listen to what the mayor, Ray Nagin, says about whats happening in New Orleans. (There is an advertisement at the start of video/audio)

Personaly I totaly agree with what he says in this....I think that we should get off our asses and do something! Go and donate money, send supplies, do WHATEVER. THESE PEOPLE NEED OUR HELP!

(I have donated money to the red cross, you should too)
Red Cross

their Mayor and Govenor are both retarded "poloticians" the Mayor hopped on a bus before this all got bad and got out of the city and didnt pick up any of the poor people suffering there, their Govenor had been warned about a natural disaster like this by scientists and Bush delcared New Orleans a disaster area 2 days before the damn thing hit land and she didnt do a damn thing about it

as for the high gas prices blame the gas companys all their doing is taking advantage of the situation and raised them so they can line their pocket books

Instead of just arguing about who did this and if they should of done that, why don't we all just realize that there are thousands of people in this city? We shouldnt care if they left or not, most of these people who are there couldnt leave because they were poor or sick and had no means of transporation. But regardless of that, America now has tons of people dying over there. As you read this, someone in that region has probably died. Let that sink into your heads for a second. In this one minute or less it takes to read this, someone has proably drowned, sucumb to sickness, or dehydrated. At this point, we shouldnt give a damn about what America did wrong etc. We should focus on helping these people and getting them out. So instead of just bashing Bush (no that is not intended to support him), go and try to do something about this situation. If we feel the need to blame someone, we can do it later. Right now, we need to get these people out of dangers way. You people have no idea how lucky you are to not be in that city. If it was your town, would you want people arguing over what they should of done, or would you want them to forget that for now and get you out of the city? Everyone in that city has lost everything. Their jobs, their futures, their dreams and goals. All of that is gone. They now have to start from scratch and hope fortune favors them. All of us should take a second and see how lucky we are to just be sitting at our computer desks typing these posts.

At 9/5/05 12:19 AM, MALforPresident wrote: stop pointing fingers.

Grow up. There are thousands of people still stuck in New Orleans, children, babies, sick, elderly, all still stuck there. There is no more appropriate time to point fingers. It took 4 days to even start, thats simply too long. More troops were evacuated out of Vietnam in less time, and that was on to ships, since the phillipenes was out of range.

look, nobody knew untill a few days before that a cat. 5 hurrican was going to hit such a large area.

A few days is more than enough to bring the national gaurd in. One day is enough. Half a day is enough. Wheres the national gaurd though? Oh yeah......

or that so many people weren't going to leave the areas being evacuated.

Why not? Are they retarded? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize some people don't have cars. That alone is something to be pissed at, why did nobody realize that?

you can't really expect people to take drills seriously.

You can expect the government to, thats why we have the national gaurd, and FEMA. Why the fuck do we have them if they aren't going to do thier job?

it takes a disaster like this to open eyes and fine tune certain emergency services.

DERRRR!!

We have had disasters for years. Our emergency services were fine tuned, they were untuned. Our National Gaurd was sent to Iraq and the budgets for emergency services were cut for homeland security and so more money could be spent on Tax cuts.

the military can't do much right now because the city is under so much water and has a lot of debris under that water.

That is incorrect. Thousands of people are within range of roads where they could be evacuated but they are not allowed to. It's literally like the movie resident evil apocalypse where they have the city quarantined.

Also, nowadays, we have these crazy inventions called HELICOPTERS! But for some reason none of our helicopters were around..... wonder what that was....... hmmmmm..................

last thing we need is 30 marine attack boats sinking before they even get to people who need the help.

Because its not like attack boats are prepared for debris. Everyone knows wars are nice and tidy.

but yes, in any event there is always room for improvements.

Tell that to the possibly thousands who already died and the thousands more still stuck in the city.

i think that maybe the US government could have started getting ready for the worste case scenario while the storm was moving in, instead of waiting to find out what will happen.

Or maybe even immedeatly after the storm? No?

At 9/3/05 05:50 PM, TimeFrame wrote:

At 9/3/05 05:49 PM, ThemonkeyonNG wrote: after the storm calmed. BUT NO, HE WAITED...

I never said he didnt wait.

Why did he wait? Isn't that...... oh, I dont know, criminally negligent?

Wouldn't that mean its his fault the situation got so bad?

At 9/5/05 03:58 AM, Jimsween wrote:

Wouldn't that mean its his fault the situation got so bad?

Why did you respond to scarAHF? He makes an interesting point in saying, "their Govenor had been warned about a natural disaster like this by scientists and Bush delcared New Orleans a disaster area 2 days before the damn thing hit land and she didnt do a damn thing about it".

At 9/5/05 11:35 AM, TimeFrame wrote: Why did you respond to scarAHF? He makes an interesting point in saying, "their Govenor had been warned about a natural disaster like this by scientists and Bush delcared New Orleans a disaster area 2 days before the damn thing hit land and she didnt do a damn thing about it".

I'm not saying they werent too at fault, I'm not about to comment on that yet because we don't know the extent of what they could do. Right now I'm only hearing 'bus the people left out' which seems like a good idea, until you realize that alot probably didn't want to leave.

Nevertheless, the federal government STILL did not do anything. There is no possible excuse for that. And I'm talking about before AND after the hurricane.

Death and devestation on this scale happens allt he time. Often even mor people die. look at the earthquake in turkey, destroyed huge areas, how many people sent money? How many people sent money for the famines in Sudan, Somalia and other nations?

Im not say that this is nota disaster, but why should we (especially all of the non-Americans here) be obligated to help out the richest nations in the world from its disaster when many of us have not doen anythign for even larger scale disasters?

While we're pointing fingers, let's talk about the city planners who built the city below sea level and next to a lake that was above sea level. Or let's talk about the people who were told to evacuate and didn't. How about putting the blame on the Mayor for not forcing an evacuation. Maybe we could blame Bush for being president at the time. Hell, let's blame God for allowing the hurricane.

I got back from a road trip from Florida and I passed through Mississippi and Louisianna. I was 100 miles from the coast and things are pretty screwed up even that far away. There's a gas shortage, I saw a lot of hitchhikers, things are just messed up in the whole region. We couldn't get gas in any city along the entire stretch of I-20 that goes through Mississippi and a good part of Louisianna. I really don't think you can point fingers at any one person and it probably isn't a good idea to try. Hell, if you haven't done anything to help the relief aid, you really shouldn't be talking, anyway.