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At 9/4/05 01:36 PM, Morextremist wrote:

At 9/3/05 07:23 PM, Mr_Blue_Sky wrote: Yanks are always moaning about "GAS" prices

if you knew anything, you would know if gas prices rise so does the price of everything else. So that makes my job pay even more worthless

Really I would never guess even though I have a qualifications in economics and 3 qualifications in business.

At 9/4/05 04:09 PM, -Illustrious- wrote:

At 9/4/05 01:34 PM, Morextremist wrote: they should fucking outlaw nascar and any other racing sports. Its just a fucking waste of gas.

redneck: look at them racing around in a circle 500 times :o

Or you could stop whining about a fair market price, and cut back on buying it, if you think it's a problem.

Besides, a lot of other sports uses more gas than NASCAR anyway. You want to ban them, too?

Actually yes, I do want to ban them as well. Sports to be honest, are a waste of money. In fact it sickens me to know that there is some guy out there making hundreds of thousands or even millions for just being able to hit and/or throw a ball while the scientists who are working on this problem are probably only making around 60 grand.

At 9/4/05 09:48 PM, GundamTrekkie wrote: Actually yes, I do want to ban them as well. Sports to be honest, are a waste of money. In fact it sickens me to know that there is some guy out there making hundreds of thousands or even millions for just being able to hit and/or throw a ball while the scientists who are working on this problem are probably only making around 60 grand.

Even though those people get paid that much because people are willing to pay the ticket prices to see those players play and be entertained? It's a win-win situation. The player gets paid well for entertaining; and the fans are willing to pay the ticket costs to be entertained.

Scientists get rich by performing, just like athletes. If they make a discovery or new invention, they'll get rewarded for it. If a scientist develops a cure for AIDS, a cheap, reliable transport fuel, etc, they'll be making much more than 60 grand, believe me.

Scientists who don't come up with anything or develop any new ideas don't get paid much because they don't put out much. You would pay $25 million a year to a player that strikes out every at bat and makes an error on every play would you? Of course not.

Your attitude is problematic. Who are you to say who gets paid too much and who isn't? And why, if you have a problem with people being richer than others, do you try to take money away from them instead of encouraging others to catch up?

At 9/2/05 01:41 AM, KupaMan wrote: I didn't read all that bullshit, but the reason the gas is going up is because New Orleans refined most of America's gas. It's not the government's fault or George Bush's; it's Katrina's.

Speaking of bullshit, please explain then why gas was already at record highs BEFORE Katrina hit.

Its Bushes fault the gas is up, katrina just added to it and made it worse.

At 9/2/05 03:03 AM, Sivak wrote: The main problem here is greed. The companies can get away with it, so they can. They take every excuse they can to raise the price. They said once production got up to speed, it would go down. Lie. When new oil is found, they say it takes a few days for the prices to adjust. But when a sparrow farts, price goes up the very next day!

No, your wrong. Only 50-70 cents of the price of gas currently go to American companies. The rest of the cost is taxes ~60 cents and crude oil ~1.65 cents.

The price of crude oil has doubled since 2003, there can be greed, but mostly, if anything, its the greed of OPEC.

bush: we declare war on OPEC

At 9/5/05 03:16 AM, Morextremist wrote: bush: we declare war on OPEC

And we all know how his other current war is effecting gas prices - ^^^^hint^^^^

I wouldn't be surprised if Bush went to war with OPEC. His solution to global warming would probably be to invade Antarctica.

At 9/5/05 03:30 AM, FrankHurt wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Bush went to war with OPEC. His solution to global warming would probably be to invade Antarctica.

and kill the evil ice melting, so it wouldnt melt anymore!
ill join the army for this......
wait a min, hes just being an idiot.
or its just me........

At 9/5/05 02:55 AM, Jimsween wrote: The price of crude oil has doubled since 2003, there can be greed, but mostly, if anything, its the greed of OPEC.

Here is my beef, like most others. I buy more gasoline than oil (1 month = $500 in gas - $30 in oil), so I don't really care if oil prices go up, as opposed to gas prices. I wish Canada would join OPEC, only for the fact that thier gasoline is averaging about $0.50 a gallon, whereas I am paying $6.00+ a gallon.

personally i'd say we should just find another fuel source.....
like grass with some stuff added, who knows?!

At 9/5/05 10:07 AM, bcdemon wrote: Here is my beef, like most others. I buy more gasoline than oil (1 month = $500 in gas - $30 in oil), so I don't really care if oil prices go up, as opposed to gas prices. I wish Canada would join OPEC, only for the fact that thier gasoline is averaging about $0.50 a gallon, whereas I am paying $6.00+ a gallon.

:-/

I'm not sure....

You may not know this..... but....... gas is made of oil. They refine the oil and stuff to turn it into gas.

At 9/5/05 04:44 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 9/5/05 10:07 AM, bcdemon wrote: Here is my beef, like most others. I buy more gasoline than oil (1 month = $500 in gas - $30 in oil), so I don't really care if oil prices go up, as opposed to gas prices. I wish Canada would join OPEC, only for the fact that thier gasoline is averaging about $0.50 a gallon, whereas I am paying $6.00+ a gallon.

-/

I'm not sure....

You may not know this..... but....... gas is made of oil. They refine the oil and stuff to turn it into gas.

Ahhh, so what your saying is OPEC nations don't refine oil to get thier gasoline, hence the cost? Or, what exactly are you saying?

At 9/5/05 06:23 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ahhh, so what your saying is OPEC nations don't refine oil to get thier gasoline, hence the cost? Or, what exactly are you saying?

No no, I'm saying, alot of people think theres some conspiracy amoung exxon mobile and shell to hike up gas prices in times of crisis. Thats not what happened, the price of crude (from OPEC) is going up probably because of real economic factors rather than price gouging.

Where I live, it's about $2.79 a gallon. That's not too bad, I can afford it, even with a car that gets 12 mpg. I saw a few places trying to gouge prices on my trip from Florida to Texas. They didn't appear to be very successful, since the places I saw were only a few miles from other gas stations that were 50-60 cents less per gallon. The highest I saw someone try to charge on the trip was $3.89. It was just down the street from a place that was selling gas for $2.99, so I didn't see anybody fueling that the former station, needless to say.

At 9/5/05 06:25 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 9/5/05 06:23 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ahhh, so what your saying is OPEC nations don't refine oil to get thier gasoline, hence the cost? Or, what exactly are you saying?

No no, I'm saying, alot of people think theres some conspiracy amoung exxon mobile and shell to hike up gas prices in times of crisis. Thats not what happened, the price of crude (from OPEC) is going up probably because of real economic factors rather than price gouging.

Ok, but that still doesn't explain why OPEC nations pay 50 cents (US) a gallon and we in Canada are paying $6.00 (US) a gallon.

At 9/5/05 06:31 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ok, but that still doesn't explain why OPEC nations pay 50 cents (US) a gallon and we in Canada are paying $6.00 (US) a gallon.

Two reasons.

1. Opec nations aren't usually as developed, thus less people are consuming oil, so there isn't as great of a demand but there is a huge supply.

2. Opec regulations don't apply to seeling domestically, I would guess the government probably charges alot less to its own citizens because they want to encourage economic development.

This is bull shit i live in philadelphia pa and the gas is 3.50 here this is a bunch of bullshit if thid doesnt stop there is going to be a fucking riot soon.

At 9/5/05 08:44 PM, rich666 wrote: This is bull shit i live in philadelphia pa and the gas is 3.50 here this is a bunch of bullshit if thid doesnt stop there is going to be a fucking riot soon.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Hell I'll even lead it if you want me to. I'm in Trenton, NJ and our prices aren't as bad as 3.50 but their about 3.29 and up. Hell, I really feel sorry for my father who owns a Corvette, thats premium gas only.

At 9/5/05 06:39 PM, Jimsween wrote:

At 9/5/05 06:31 PM, bcdemon wrote: Ok, but that still doesn't explain why OPEC nations pay 50 cents (US) a gallon and we in Canada are paying $6.00 (US) a gallon.

Two reasons.

1. Opec nations aren't usually as developed, thus less people are consuming oil, so there isn't as great of a demand but there is a huge supply.

2. Opec regulations don't apply to seeling domestically, I would guess the government probably charges alot less to its own citizens because they want to encourage economic development.

Yeah, I'm not buying that "supply and demand" bit anymore. Katrina didn't harm Canadas supply, yet our gas jumped $0.20 overnight because of the Gulf Coast devastation. Canada (Alberta) has such a huge supply of oil, we shouldn't be paying anywhere near even $1 a gallon, much less $6 a gallon. But considering some of the actions Alberta is talking about taking due to their vast revenues, I think I might be moving in the near future.

At 9/6/05 03:41 PM, bcdemon wrote: Yeah, I'm not buying that "supply and demand" bit anymore. Katrina didn't harm Canadas supply, yet our gas jumped $0.20 overnight because of the Gulf Coast devastation. Canada (Alberta) has such a huge supply of oil, we shouldn't be paying anywhere near even $1 a gallon, much less $6 a gallon. But considering some of the actions Alberta is talking about taking due to their vast revenues, I think I might be moving in the near future.

You don't think Canada buys oil and gas from America?

The system of global economics isn't as simple a web, its an interwoven repeating web. Some parts of Canada buy Canadian oil and refine it then sell it to gas stations, some parts buy American oil and refine it, some parts sell oil to America and then America refines it then sells it back, its all crazy like that. It has to do with transport costs, price competition, and business contracts.

Although, even at that, keep in mind New Olreans is a MAJOR city for not just the US but the world. Were going to see wide reaching effects from this, New Olreans being shut down is like Shanghai being shut down, or Montreal. The price could have jumped in anticipation of not just effects to the oil industry but effects to the economy in general.

The fact remains, the price of crude jumped, not refined. That implies that any price gouging is international and intentionally done by nearly every oil country.

At 9/6/05 05:50 PM, Jimsween wrote: You don't think Canada buys oil and gas from America?

Uh huh. But I still think we should be paying considerably less for fuel than other countries, due to our vast supply of oil. Other (OPEC) countries that can't even produce what they consume pay considerably less for gas and oil than we do. Which gets me back to wanting Canada to join OPEC.

At 9/2/05 01:41 AM, KupaMan wrote: I didn't read all that bullshit, but the reason the gas is going up is because New Orleans refined most of America's gas. It's not the government's fault or George Bush's; it's Katrina's.

Of course it is!
Money was going into fixing the dams.
Which was like... built by the French before it was a US territory. That's like 300 years ago...

Then that was siphoned off to Iraq.
In all circumstances, one would think that we would had been prepared...

I mean all this, "be prepared." Blah, blah, blah...
And yet when terroirism (by nature) strikes... we weren't prepared.

Goddamit,
how ineffective our president has been for the past 5 years!

this whole gas thing is a scam i believe

At 9/7/05 12:38 PM, bcdemon wrote: Uh huh. But I still think we should be paying considerably less for fuel than other countries, due to our vast supply of oil. Other (OPEC) countries that can't even produce what they consume pay considerably less for gas and oil than we do. Which gets me back to wanting Canada to join OPEC.

No no, you don't understand. The fact that you have oil doesn't make oil a cent cheaper for you, that only works with developing countries. Thier oil is cheaper mainly because the government owns the oil companies, and forces them to sell it cheaper domestically, in order to encourage industrial development so some day thier economy wont depend on oil.

Canada is already about as developed as it can get, so you certainly don't want to encourage gas use.

At 9/8/05 04:11 PM, Jimsween wrote: No no, you don't understand. The fact that you have oil doesn't make oil a cent cheaper for you, that only works with developing countries. Thier oil is cheaper mainly because the government owns the oil companies, and forces them to sell it cheaper domestically, in order to encourage industrial development so some day thier economy wont depend on oil.

Canada is already about as developed as it can get, so you certainly don't want to encourage gas use.

Yes Jim I do understand.
But I want to encourage government run refineries and wells so we can have cheaper fuel.
Considering the privately owned refineries can't seem to keep their shit up to par with the demand levels, maybe gov run is the way to go.

At 9/8/05 09:40 PM, bcdemon wrote: Yes Jim I do understand.
But I want to encourage government run refineries and wells so we can have cheaper fuel.

That wont give you cheaper fuel, most likely. For one, because if it would privately owned already would have. There has to be some sort of placement/availability reason that Canada cant refine all its own fuel.

Considering the privately owned refineries can't seem to keep their shit up to par with the demand levels, maybe gov run is the way to go.

Historically, government run things have performed much worse than privately run things. I can't think of a single example of a government run thing running more efficient than a government run thing.

In the end, your talking about having the government buy out the entire oil industry which is a huge shift in power, just because your oil price up went up 20 cents in the wake of a disaster.

At 9/9/05 01:19 AM, Jimsween wrote: just because your oil price up went up 20 cents in the wake of a disaster.

It's not just 20 cents in one night that gets me, it's the now 40% increase in the last year or so.

yeah i agree, gas prices r outragous! i could spen my hard earned money on grocerys or stuff i want but fuck all that i have to go pay money outa my pocket just so i can get to work.

Gas prices dropped here from around $1.25-!.30 a liter to $1.08 when I fille dup last nite.