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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:45:55

At 8/30/05 02:38 PM, WadeFulp wrote: He maybe sincere, he maybe trying to capitalize on it. Does it really matter? If it brings traffic to us and him, and results in more views for everyone else who has content on the site, shouldn't we all be happy? You may think the entry is over rated garbage, but if people who have no clue who IWP is and come to NG, watch his entry, and tell their friends about it and all enjoy it, is it REALLY overated garbage? If it truely was, it won't get many views. I'll let you all know how it performs.

So than I suppose that IWP should just be allowed to submit content directly to NG, bypassing the whole voting system rather than just insulting it and go directly to the frontpage without having any concern of alienating the voters on the site who vote to see good quality work be where it deserves.


Keep in mind, while IWP has a following, many people who don't know who IWP is will come and watch his entry and probably pass links to it around to their friends.

But will they find this one funny? If they don't, will they just discredit IWP, Foamy and NG alltoghter, and spread a negative message about NG to others due to this low quality Foamy cartoon.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:46:29

At 8/30/05 02:38 PM, Zerok wrote: A lot of respectable users here are arguing the anti-IWP point here quite adamantly and in a mature (relatively ;D) manner. A high level Foamy debate is a rarity, and I think that it's only fair to meet us halfway or something.

That's the point, there is nothing to debate. IWP is free to submit whatever the fuck he wants. You want us to put restrictions on him? You want us to blam his entries? You want us to treat him differently than other Portal submitters? Are you fucking insane? Some of you have such a blind hate of IWP you have lost site of reality.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:50:40

At 8/30/05 02:46 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Some of you have such a blind hate of IWP you have lost site of reality.

I don't hate him at all - I just think he's overrated, and I think that this should be realised. And I don't think he should be given frontpage all the time, especially for this movie. Even if it is topical. If I came to this website with no idea of IWP or NG, and clicked on that movie and watched it, how do you think I'd react?

It's a still frame. I'd press the 'x' in the corner and go on Albinoblacksheep.

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:50:49

At 8/30/05 02:47 PM, CadillacClock wrote:
B's score was not high after being submitted

The fact of the matter is, it shouldn't have passed judgement in the first place.

Can you justify that?


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:51:32

At 8/30/05 02:38 PM, WadeFulp wrote: He maybe sincere, he maybe trying to capitalize on it. Does it really matter? If it brings traffic to us and him, and results in more views for everyone else who has content on the site, shouldn't we all be happy? You may think the entry is over rated garbage, but if people who have no clue who IWP is and come to NG, watch his entry, and tell their friends about it and all enjoy it, is it REALLY overated garbage? If it truely was, it won't get many views. I'll let you all know how it performs.

I understand. Everyone stands to gain from the movie being on the front page, I know. I'm not contesting that decision. But looking at this from a purely Flash perspective, compared to movies than get blammed on a daily basis and as a movie that would surely have been blammed if submitted by anyone other than IWP... is it over rated?

I totally believe so.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:52:08

At 8/30/05 02:46 PM, WadeFulp wrote: You want us to put restrictions on him?

Nothing of that manner, no.

Think of it this way: if we make a topic here and bunch of us are pining to get a movie that we all like on the frontpage, you usually do it, if you see the topic, right? So, can't it work the other way? The frontpage belongs to the users as well, and I was under the impression that we had some sort of democracy going on here.

Remember when that stupid phone flash got put up there by mistake? It was gone quickly, and with an apology too.

Don't lower the score, don't blam it, don't put restrictions on him. Just take it off the front page. It'll be there for the Foamy fans in the collections page. Don't restrict IWP, but don't give him what he doesn't deserve. Like Earfetish said: professional integrity.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:54:23

IWP movies suck...in my opinion.

IWP isn't very talented... in my opinion.

SO you know what I do? I just don't watch them... and generally don't talk about them

If people want to like foamy, let them.

Everyone bitches about it taking up a spot on the front page... well so do frikken porn games, quit acting so shocked that crap makes it up there.

Fact is... like it or now... illwill was the first to cash in on the hurricane with a flash commentary, and, as Wade said, NG always posts flash about recent events.

If you want it off... make a better hurricane movie...the end.

all this bitching about everything makes all of you SOUND like Foamy.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:56:31

At 8/30/05 02:49 PM, IvanTheGreat wrote: Half of which hate him. Putting that on the front page just instigates more threads like this. It'd be really fucking sad if illwill doesn’t even donate money to the cause (a suggestion of his own) after making that. Especially a movie that only has one frame in it, which, in no way resembles a cheap ploy for votes. Why the hell would he not animate even a little bit?

Uhg... Half of our users HATE him?? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!?! Try a handful of people hate him, and a shit load of people don't. The people who hate him are simply more visable. You don't see the thousands and thousands of people who view his work, get a chuckle, or whatever, and move on. He's free to submit whatever he wants and it pisses me off that people like you think he has to be held to a different standard than any other portal submitter.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:58:15

At 8/30/05 02:46 PM, WadeFulp wrote: You want us to treat him differently than other Portal submitters?

you do treat him different than other portal submitters you put everything he makes on the front page regardless of its quality.

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 14:58:53

At 8/30/05 02:50 PM, Earfetish wrote: If I came to this website with no idea of IWP or NG, and clicked on that movie and watched it, how do you think I'd react?

It's a still frame. I'd press the 'x' in the corner and go on Albinoblacksheep.

Maybe that's how you'd react, but it's probably not how the masses will react.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:00:00

At 8/30/05 02:58 PM, jetninjin wrote: you do treat him different than other portal submitters you put everything he makes on the front page regardless of its quality.

That's because he submits content that is popular and gets a lot of views. If someone else came along and did the same thing we'd put their work on the front page as well, and we DO.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:01:32

At 8/30/05 02:56 PM, WadeFulp wrote: it pisses me off that people like you think he has to be held to a different standard than any other portal submitter.

Okay, but it just seems to a lot of people that that's exactly what we are doing.
IWP almost always gets the frontpage. If a user by the name of supa_man89 made that movie and replaced Foamy with a dog or something... he'd probably be lynched for trying to impersonate illwill...

Overall, the specific issue (for me) is trivial. I like a lot of the older Foamy movies, in fact. I'm just worried about the big picture, I guess.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:01:40

At 8/30/05 02:38 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
He maybe sincere, he maybe trying to capitalize on it.

We will never know because he doesn't contribute to the newgrounds comunity!
He never gives us feed-back from our reviews, he never posts on the bbs( except for 2-3 times). Maby if he comunicated with his fans a little more then he could produce better flashes.
He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:02:27

you go, wadolf! give em' suttin to think about!


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:06:03

Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

Also read the reviews. I'm not saying I agree with his message, in fact I don't. The people were told to get out of there, if they stayed, that's their problem. However, some people do agree with him, and you'll probably see A LOT of people agree with him. Remember, the country is divided, while half of us think one way, the other half thinks the other, so half the country would probably agree with his message.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:20

At 8/30/05 03:01 PM, -Gomez- wrote:
We will never know because he doesn't contribute to the newgrounds comunity!
He never gives us feed-back from our reviews, he never posts on the bbs( except for 2-3 times). Maby if he comunicated with his fans a little more then he could produce better flashes.
He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.

Nice one gomez. Its true that he never responds to any reviews, he is just trying to sell those crappy shirts from his website. I cant belive wade supports the new illwill. I always looked up to wade, but now i don't know what to do. I'm sure tom has the same position as wade does, so im just gonna go to neopets now;) well, ill be on both neo and here:P

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:54

The "hurrican special" episode was a load of bollocks, I mean c'mon 1 frame, at the time I was thinking about donating some money to helping those people and then i see this on NG, a 1 frame animation by an OVERATED author that can voice act as about as well as 12 month old kitten. Of course i will still donate but this cartoon didn't effect me in the slightest I have NO intention to give more than planned and no more to go down thier and help. That cartoon was an insult to those people who have died and should be completely removed from Newgrounds.

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:07:57

At 8/30/05 02:56 PM, WadeFulp wrote: He's free to submit whatever he wants and it pisses me off that people like you think he has to be held to a different standard than any other portal submitter.

Hey Wade! Good news! The portal works! People submit and stuff makes it through. Good Job. :-)

That's the point of the portal people. If people didn't like it, it won't make it through, and it especially won't make frontpage. It's comforting to hear that IWP or any other flash artist for that manner doesn't get special treatment. In fact, it's comforting for any new flash artist to know that they have just as much chance as anyone else to get frontpage. It happens all the time on NG. IWP was the first to do anything on the Hurricane. So what? They are the first to do it, and did so in a humorous and truthful fashion, Why wouldn't it get Frontpage?

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:09:06

At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Also read the reviews. I'm not saying I agree with his message, in fact I don't.

at first i thought it was completley ridiculous and shameless that you put it on the front page... but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:24

In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:26

At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Well, we can debate this until we are blue in the face, so why don't we just see how it performs? When I put it on the front page it had around 5,000 views. It hasn't been that long since I put it there, and it's now at:

Score 3.50/5.00 (Explanation)
1,023 votes, 9,537 views

Isn't this the exact same reason why a vote timer was put into the movies that are under judgment, that if people who liked Foamy and voted based upon name alone would have to at least to see if the movie was of good enough quality to pass judgment. Don't you agree that this Foamy flash is of extremly low quality, even by normal Foamy standards.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:10:49

At 8/30/05 03:01 PM, -Gomez- wrote: He doesn't give two shits about this site, all he uses it for is for publicity.

What I'm coming to understand is that this site doesn't give two shits about him either, we just use him for publicity.

I haven't watched this movie, and even though I'm considering it now that there's a huge controversy about it, I'll probably get lazy or forget when I get home. He doesn't animate well... meh. He's sometimes funny... meh. He gets the frontpage and brings in new people... meh.

A lot of people love him, and as a result of him putting his content on Newgrounds and getting featured here, a lot of people love Newgrounds. It's win/win in my eyes, seeing as how flash works of artistic merit or programming prowess will be put on the front page right next to IllWill's entries and will garner clicks as a result of that.

I think that's all I've got to contribute to this topic, because for a heated argument, it sure is going nowhere.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:12:23

At 8/30/05 03:05 PM, ShadowWarriorLuke wrote: Funnily enough, I've shown two of my friends on MSN this flash. Neither have seen a Foamy toon before and both said that they thought it was crap. Of the ones I've seen I certainly don't like them. I'm not one of these "VOTED 0 WITHOUT WATCHING BLAM BLAM!" types and I understand it's on a current event. I (and a lot of others) just don't think that it's front page worthy. A lot of people do these types of submissions as a cash-in for front page (Tear for London for example) and I reckon that's the case here. I'm not saying blam it or take the score down or whatever but front page is a bit much. Wasn't the automated collections designed for stuff like this to get exposure?

You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

The automated collection system is a way to help showcase more entries, but we still need the pull of our front page to get traffic into those collections.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:13:59

i like it 7/10 3/5

just because it reminds me of what my mom says when watching the news

i'll go hide in a dark room now

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:14:38

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
You live in England so this might not impact you the same as it would for those living in the US and dealing with the Hurricane. It's on our news 24/7.

As i'm pretty sure that when the London bombing happened it was on the news in England 24/7.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:22

At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

:stuff

Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:41

At 8/30/05 03:09 PM, theabominablematt wrote: but after reading a few of the reviews i'm just overwhelmed by the stupidty of most ppl

Hehe, it may not be that they are stupid, but easily amused. Anyone here ever go to a movie and wonder why so many people are laughing at it? It takes a lot for me to laugh, or certain types of humor. I don't find myself laughing along with the masses, but the masses sure do laugh at just about any stupid thing! That's why Foamy does so well, because the masses are easily amused, and a still picture of a squirell going off is more than enough to make them laugh and vote high.


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:17:50

At 8/30/05 03:06 PM, WadeFulp wrote: you'll probably see A LOT of people agree with him. Remember, the country is divided, while half of us think one way, the other half thinks the other, so half the country would probably agree with his message.

The country isn't voting on it, a plethora of little kids are. But, you're right: arguing continually over isn't going anywhere, and from a business point of view, you have to appease your fanbase. I've made my points clear I think (and so have the others), so I'm going to go get ready for work. :)


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:19:56

At 8/30/05 03:10 PM, Morextremist wrote: In theory, could the admins change the score of a movie if they felt personally motivated (bribed?) if it was against their opinion of how it should be score?

Yeah, if we had no morals or ethics. We hold our voting system in high regard and never mess with the #'s. The same goes for the experience system.

If Tom, or I, don't like the score an entry has we do what everyone else does, we vote. We have no more voting power than anyone else with similar stats (exp points blam/save bonus)


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Response to Illwillpress' new movie 2005-08-30 15:21:33

At 8/30/05 03:17 PM, KrazyKool wrote:
At 8/30/05 03:12 PM, WadeFulp wrote: stuff
Hardcored just submitted a flash about Hurricane Katrina. Will that go on the front page?

I'll go check it out. The only reason I found IWP's entry is because someone made a topical about Hurricane Flash and I thought if there was anything decent I should get it on the front page.


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