My own private Columbine

[seanbonner]

I went to see Michael Moore's new film Bowling For Columbine this weekend and I have to agree with the reviews I've been hearing, it's the best thing he's ever done.

I'm not going to spoil it for you. You know it's about Columbine, you know it's about guns, you know it's about the good 'ol USA. There's much more there though, and when you go to the theater you will see. The media, Bush, and Charlton Heston all get shown in a really nice light. Needless to say I walked out of there with a big fat smile.

After seeing it a friend reminded me of a column written by infamous love advice columnist Dan Savage called FEAR THE GEEK: Littleton's Silver Lining that was published right after "it happened." I thought this was an amazing article. I wrote something similar on whatever stupid website I was writing for at that point, and got a lot of shit for it. I won't link that, because Dan says what I wanted to much better. Guess that's why he gets paid. If you haven't read the column, you really should go read it right now. He talks about how insane it was that people were shocked about this, because honestly, it was only a matter of time.

Even more amazing is a reply written by a former Columbine High School student. I'd never seen this until another friend sent it my way recently. I'll let you read that for yourself, but if you want to download a copy this should help.

"Finally, an article addresses what is really going on here ("Fear the
Geek: Littleton's Silver Lining"). I actually used to live in Littleton,
and went to Columbine High School. I totally agree with this story. When I
went there, I was having the same exact problems and no one cared at all.
One day I was walking outside during lunch when some jocks decided it was
my turn to be beaten. One of the started hitting me to impress his
friends... I hit him once in the face and ended up on the ground. One
teacher was right there and did nothing to stop it. I was sent to the
proncipal's office and told that I should try to 'fit in' with the rest of
the students and not wear black clothes. All I can tell you is that on days
like that (and there were many), I could have shot them all. I ended up
leaving the school, and driving to the next town every day to attend an
alternative high school. I learned more there in the first week than I did
in the three years I went to Columbine. When I talk with friends who went
there, not even one person was surprised this could happen. We were just
surprised it didn't happen sooner."

-Jason DeTrempe

I read that and all I cound think was "right on." People talking about schools being a safe haven for kids are smoking crack. Where the hell did they go to school? Little House On The Prarie High? I could go on for hours about the crap I put up with in school, or worse the crap I saw other people have to put up with. I got suspended my freshman year for bringing a gun to school. Luckily for me that was YEARS before anyone got the balls to smoke some other kid, otherwise I would still be in jail. Even I had no plans for it. It was a broken bb gun for crying out loud, but only I knew that, and I was sure that if some nameless people (who are probably still in Bradenton dreaming about their HS football glory days) thought I might snap and do something really stupid, they would just leave me alone. The point is, the kids who have the cool clothes, drive the nice cars, don't have zits, get laid, are the kids the schools smile on. The kids who don't, don't. The whole system is designed to make kids fall in line, and it has no mercy on those who don't. These kids, who take guns to school and shoot other people, hell kids who shoot other people even outside of school are sick. They are totally out of their heads, but having been though the public (and private for that matter) school system, I know how they got that way. There come a point when a lot of kids have to make a decision to rise above the steaming pile of shit they are stuck in and show everyone else up by actually doing something with their lives, or giving in to the hate and doing something like this. If people realized how many kids made that decision on a daily basis, and congradulated the kids who made the right choice, we'd be in a hell of a lot better situation. Me, I'm surprised this dosen't happen more oftin.

[Vicious-WTFN]

At 10/16/02 08:25 PM, seanbonner wrote: a bunch of shit

Wow a bunch of useless shit to see that craptacular left wing commieliberal propaganda movie . Tom and Wade have gotten way to liberal with handing out front page posting. Next time post something WORTH READING, NOT A BUNCH OF STEAMING SHIT.

[Steve84]

At 10/16/02 08:25 PM, seanbonner wrote: I went to see Michael Moore's new film Bowling For Columbine this weekend and I have to agree with the reviews I've been hearing, it's the best thing he's ever done.

I'm not going to spoil it for you. You know it's about Columbine, you know it's about guns, you know it's about the good 'ol USA. There's much more there though, and when you go to the theater you will see. The media, Bush, and Charlton Heston all get shown in a really nice light. Needless to say I walked out of there with a big fat smile.

After seeing it a friend reminded me of a column written by infamous love advice columnist Dan Savage called FEAR THE GEEK: Littleton's Silver Lining that was published right after "it happened." I thought this was an amazing article. I wrote something similar on whatever stupid website I was writing for at that point, and got a lot of shit for it. I won't link that, because Dan says what I wanted to much better. Guess that's why he gets paid. If you haven't read the column, you really should go read it right now. He talks about how insane it was that people were shocked about this, because honestly, it was only a matter of time.

Even more amazing is a reply written by a former Columbine High School student. I'd never seen this until another friend sent it my way recently. I'll let you read that for yourself, but if you want to download a copy this should help.

"Finally, an article addresses what is really going on here ("Fear the
Geek: Littleton's Silver Lining"). I actually used to live in Littleton,
and went to Columbine High School. I totally agree with this story. When I
went there, I was having the same exact problems and no one cared at all.
One day I was walking outside during lunch when some jocks decided it was
my turn to be beaten. One of the started hitting me to impress his
friends... I hit him once in the face and ended up on the ground. One
teacher was right there and did nothing to stop it. I was sent to the
proncipal's office and told that I should try to 'fit in' with the rest of
the students and not wear black clothes. All I can tell you is that on days
like that (and there were many), I could have shot them all. I ended up
leaving the school, and driving to the next town every day to attend an
alternative high school. I learned more there in the first week than I did
in the three years I went to Columbine. When I talk with friends who went
there, not even one person was surprised this could happen. We were just
surprised it didn't happen sooner."

-Jason DeTrempe

I read that and all I cound think was "right on." People talking about schools being a safe haven for kids are smoking crack. Where the hell did they go to school? Little House On The Prarie High? I could go on for hours about the crap I put up with in school, or worse the crap I saw other people have to put up with. I got suspended my freshman year for bringing a gun to school. Luckily for me that was YEARS before anyone got the balls to smoke some other kid, otherwise I would still be in jail. Even I had no plans for it. It was a broken bb gun for crying out loud, but only I knew that, and I was sure that if some nameless people (who are probably still in Bradenton dreaming about their HS football glory days) thought I might snap and do something really stupid, they would just leave me alone. The point is, the kids who have the cool clothes, drive the nice cars, don't have zits, get laid, are the kids the schools smile on. The kids who don't, don't. The whole system is designed to make kids fall in line, and it has no mercy on those who don't. These kids, who take guns to school and shoot other people, hell kids who shoot other people even outside of school are sick. They are totally out of their heads, but having been though the public (and private for that matter) school system, I know how they got that way. There come a point when a lot of kids have to make a decision to rise above the steaming pile of shit they are stuck in and show everyone else up by actually doing something with their lives, or giving in to the hate and doing something like this. If people realized how many kids made that decision on a daily basis, and congradulated the kids who made the right choice, we'd be in a hell of a lot better situation. Me, I'm surprised this dosen't happen more oftin.

hey SeanI hate to hear of school shootings there really fucked up sure so kids get real pissed and the world but shooting up your school is not the way to go, and It's really sad blowing for Columbine was cool. though

[fiend2386]

yea i totally agree with that kid who posted the response, i have a lot of kids at my school bullying other kids who they think aren't cool because they're not preppy. it's a bunch of shit and one day they might actually have to pay for it (funny in a sick way) but i don't condone the shooting of innocent kids because you've been picked on, just drug them, beat the shit outta them and swirlies for everyone!!

[Stormwarden]

Amen, pal, Amen.

I was an outcast myself, and it wasn't fun. But schools in WV tend to deal with slimeballs like the jocks you describe much better.

I am glad my HS wasn't like that, and I wish no one else's was, either. I think a serious reform in the public school system is in order, but, with Iraq and a sensationalistic media interfering, I fear it won't happen anytime soon.

[Iflyte]

More over, I think the laws enacted since that happened are really too idiotic. 4 kids have already gotten expelled from my school because of that. Hell, If I say I'm gonna beat some prep kids ass and a teacher overhears it, and they take it to the principal I can kiss my ass goodbye. That's ridiculous. <sarcasm>What's even better is that on monday we got to sit thorugh a long ass lecture about this problem</sarcasm>. My school's NEVER had a history of problems. Come to think of it, it never had a problem. It's a private school in you wanna know. Well, I guess my rant's over. phew. I feel better now. Well, in closing i guess the laws are too strict and there's gotta be some leeway.

[undercooked]

Pssht, not as many kids get shot in school in the US anymore. For every clique there is some reverse "alternative" clique to counter it.

The absolute value of n and the absolute value of -n are equal. I learned that in school.

[Matzerath]

Even more amazing is a reply written by a former Columbine High School student. I'd never seen this until another friend sent it my way recently. I'll let you read that for yourself, but if you want to download a copy this should help.

"Finally, an article addresses what is really going on here ("Fear the
Geek: Littleton's Silver Lining"). I actually used to live in Littleton,
and went to Columbine High School. I totally agree with this story. When I
went there, I was having the same exact problems and no one cared at all.
One day I was walking outside during lunch when some jocks decided it was
my turn to be beaten. One of the started hitting me to impress his
friends... I hit him once in the face and ended up on the ground. One
teacher was right there and did nothing to stop it. I was sent to the
proncipal's office and told that I should try to 'fit in' with the rest of
the students and not wear black clothes. All I can tell you is that on days
like that (and there were many), I could have shot them all. I ended up
leaving the school, and driving to the next town every day to attend an
alternative high school. I learned more there in the first week than I did
in the three years I went to Columbine. When I talk with friends who went
there, not even one person was surprised this could happen. We were just
surprised it didn't happen sooner."

-Jason DeTrempe

Matzerath here ... and I must say, indeed, why doesn't it happen more often? When I was in High School I DEFINITELY harbored a great deal of bitterness and hatred towards my fellow students, a bunch of coke-headed assholes, save for a select few that actually took me in as a friend, or at least were amused by me. The balance was shaky, to say the least, and thankfully I got out of there before I did something stupid that I'd regret for the rest of my existence (if I didn't kill myself afterwards). But besides all this, you have to think about the hatred extended towards those that are different in their styles and likes, and who didn't do shit, yet are blamed for all that befalls the NORMAL PUBLIC. I wear a trenchcoat, for instance, and downtown recently I was screamed at by some crazed woman, "You fucking terrorist!!! You got a fucking bomb under that coat, asshole!!!" -- which is an amazing juxtaposition of current events, combining Columbine looks with terrorist paranoia. Funny stuff. Not so funny is the incarceration of the West Memphis Three, some kids in Arkansas who were most likely wrongly arrested for a ritual-style murder. They were arrested based on local hearsay, and the fact that they were kids that liked black clothes and death metal in a podunk town in Arkansas. Evidence suggests that they were not the culprits, and even pokes the finger at other town locals, but still, they are blamed, and one is up for lethal injection (read about their plight at http://wm3.org/). It's this kind of bullshit you should be worrying about during these wonderful witch-hunting times. They may not find Osama, but they sure can find YOU.
Mazterath of Loservillex.com

[WadeFulp]

Interesting stuff, but worth bumping Will Stamper's very recent announcement of Keeblur 2, an actual long awaited future Flash submission to NG, halfway down the front page, along with other current NG issues? I question the appropriateness of it all.

I believe the idea of giving certain people front page access was to allow them a way to further promote their submissions and Flash work, not push their personal agendas.

During a slow time it wouldn't be a big deal, but Will Stamper understood NG is going through a lot of upgrades and we have been posting a lot of updates lately. He took the time to contact me and ask it if was okay to make a post. I gave him the go ahead since it was about a big Flash project that is close to being finished. I just feel bad his post was knocked out of the spot light after only being there a short time. Maybe we should have something that restricts users from posting to soon after a post as been made, as I'm sure this wasn't intentional.

[blindeyes]

I've never really had first hand experience with being the outcast in school, but I deffinantly dont think that because none of the so called "cool kids" want to hang out with you that it gives you the right to even think about shooting them. Afterall, to quote what some kid in my math class said today "I've never fit in because of my appearance, but that was my choice." those "trench coat mafia types" or whatever you want to call them don't fit in because they choose not to. if your decision in the early stages of your life, the most confusing time of your life, the time where who you decide to be will shape you for the rest of your life, is to be a misfit, then you should be respectful of other peoples decision to exclude you.
In todays society we have enough problems with terrorists both foriegn and local to have to worry about little danny shooting the popular kids because his lifestyle doesnt fit into there definition of cool. I dont want to ramble on, I guess what I am trying to say is that sometime in your life you reach a point where your parents no longer decide who you are, you do. Your decision will affect your social status until you reach the next turning point in your life when its time to give up your right to 24 hour a day self expression and make a living and play at night. So dispite the beatings, or the teasing, in reality, you bring it on yourself. so dont take it out on others.

[Kairaega]

I know where this guy is coming from. I went through the same thing. If it wasn't for the small "Dungeons and dragons nerd" group I found myself accepted into (Heck, I never even LIKED D&D, but we were all treated like sh*t, so...) I would have done the same as Klebold and Harris..absolutely. I remember in my senior year writing class (1993) I wrote a series of short stories for a class project...all of which focusing on how I would blow up the school and torture and kill everyone. My creative writing teacher took it as a joke, gave me an A, and I went on to becoming a real writer...but little did she know...it almost became a reality.

Only, my being "left out" wasn't because I was a poor kid in a rich town...rather, it was because I was a rich kid in a dirt poor town. I was intelligent, well mannered, and morally correct...whereas my schoolmates were inbred bumpkins who could never hope to attain the understanding of the world that I possess. As such, they decided to spread rumors of me being gay, among other things.

Though, I got them in the end. At 26, I bought my own house, a new 2002 cavalier in my garage, and the woman of my dreams. Whereas the valedictorian was picked up for smoking pot out in front of a 7-11 and most of the football team works at wal-mart on the week ends. Whose laughing now? ROFLMAO!!!!

[HardcoreChristmas]

At 10/16/02 11:03 PM, blindeyes wrote: I've never really had first hand experience with being the outcast in school, but I deffinantly dont think that because none of the so called "cool kids" want to hang out with you that it gives you the right to even think about shooting them. Afterall, to quote what some kid in my math class said today "I've never fit in because of my appearance, but that was my choice." those "trench coat mafia types" or whatever you want to call them don't fit in because they choose not to. if your decision in the early stages of your life, the most confusing time of your life, the time where who you decide to be will shape you for the rest of your life, is to be a misfit, then you should be respectful of other peoples decision to exclude you.
In todays society we have enough problems with terrorists both foriegn and local to have to worry about little danny shooting the popular kids because his lifestyle doesnt fit into there definition of cool. I dont want to ramble on, I guess what I am trying to say is that sometime in your life you reach a point where your parents no longer decide who you are, you do. Your decision will affect your social status until you reach the next turning point in your life when its time to give up your right to 24 hour a day self expression and make a living and play at night. So dispite the beatings, or the teasing, in reality, you bring it on yourself. so dont take it out on others.

You don't even know what it's like........

[Haos]

Quit your bitchin and if you dont want to get picked on dont give them a reason.

BUT TRYING TO TELL SOME WHINNY TEENAGERS THIS IS LIEK YELLING INTO A BRICK WALL

Just go to school, make a few friends (because there are other losers just like me to hang out with!), and do your work. High school is not the end of your life! But oh well

Time to go beat up some goths. /going to hell :)

[EarthCrisis]

At 10/16/02 08:59 PM, fire wrote: .
hey SeanI hate to hear of school shootings there really fucked up sure so kids get real pissed and the world but shooting up your school is not the way to go, and It's really sad blowing for Columbine was cool. though

Yeah i get pissed at school all the time all these people have to do is calmly stab the people fucking with them in the chest only a little blood would be comeing out so be wearing a paint shirt and hug the guy like he was your buddy or something. Then if the teacer asks whats going on just make up an excuse. Don't let the guy you stabbed die, just let them know who theyre fucking with. Do not help the person you stabbed either. just CALMLY tell the person to ask the teacher if they could go to the nurses office.

[Tequila]

First off, for the guy who said we have terrorists to worry about, it's all the more important that you see Bowling for Columbine, because it'll make you realize our society is creating home-grown terrorists which the government can use to justify the status quo which creates an even wider schism between the have and the have-nots. We've created a country of alienated people who either surround themselves with the latest technology(i.e. SUV's, cell phones, and other useless consumer crap) to prove their status, or people who are living hand-to-mouth
in an effort to survive. The people who are well-to-do don't want to share or work with others, and it trickles down to their children, who physically or verbally abuse anyone, for the purpose of showing off their status. Meanwhile, the people at the top say, "Violence isn't the solution", but they don't (or choose not to) realize that the competitive society they've created has helped generate the violence.

As for me, yes I hated high school as well. (In fact, that's why I made fun of the people in h.s. through a thinly veiled allegory which is called "Humanity in Times of Crisis", conveniently posted at http://www.newgrounds.com/frames.php?location=/lit/site_info.html under "Contributions".) And I have gotten into a couple fights in the past. But I learned that neither fitting in nor fighting back work. Just avoid the people who give you misery, even if it means being alone.

But also respect other people's views, even if they're the ones who are popular, because if you show conceit for their favorite styles or tastes in media, you end up being just as narrow-minded as them. I'm not saying you have to like Britney Spears or NSYNC, but calling the people who do like them "stupid" or "inferior" just puts you in the same boat.

Though if you have to lash out, look for an alternate outlet. Box, masturbate, draw! Choosing to be angry will only you lead to a mistake which will help you lose any support for your cause.

[MAXIMINA]

At 10/16/02 08:25 PM, seanbonner wrote: I went to see Michael Moore's new film Bowling For Columbine this weekend and I have to agree with the reviews I've been hearing, it's the best thing he's ever done.

&#65279;I haven’t been much of a fan of Michael Moore, but I must say this film looks very good. It
brings about a lot of points that I have been considered insane for bringing up in the past.

I was not surprised in any way by the Columbine attack. I come from South Africa, where the
homicide rate is over double that of the US. I’ve been in a couple minor school riots, and for me
they are expected. Shocking, hardly... It was just a matter of time.

I’m actually going to go out of my way to see this film. I love low budget films that overcome
the high-budget in either fun or sense. I guess I root for the underdogs.

As for all the little ignorant Americans out there... You have no idea how bad Columbine could
have been... It was bad, yes... But get over it, and don’t forget it.

I will be leaving this world soon, much like they did but not in a blaze of glory... So feel free to forget what I say, as if they were the words of a dead man.

[Coraxus]

(Coraxus begins to try to take a big-ass dump in the crapper. Defication is hard, farting and spraying rants all over the bowl)

They don't bother me, and I don't bother them. It's kind of my favorite phrase. Do you think that sounds a little bit cold to any of you guys? Oh well.

At what point can we draw a limit on both sides to force people not to do things that could get them into alot of shithole mess of trouble?

It's like what was said. The mother complains about her son being attacked but the principals tell her that her son shouldn't have done the shit that got him slammed against the glass wall in the first place. (To me it sounds like they told her to fuck off or something).

Question is, did the kid do anything illegal in the first place? Did he do anything unethical at school?

Now then, assuming that he didn't do any of the above questions.

WHO IN THE FUCK GIVES THE PRINCIPALS THE RIGHT TO TELL THE KID'S MOTHER THAT HE HAS DONE SOMETHING WRONG WHEN THEY KNOW VERY FUCKING DAMN WELL HE HAD NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING??!!

If the kid didn't do anything to break the law, why in the fucking hell does he have to pay the price, is he a criminal because he was born? The only one who should pay for the crime is the jock. Common sense people, duh! I would not even give a fuck what the pricipals had to say, nor would I even hear a fucking lecture from the teachers teachers about moral, or give a double mutha fucka with cheese about the students who are simply scared of the kid's appearance (if that is the case).

The jock did it, he committed the crime! Simple as that, simple as 2 and 2 equalling 4. You can't get any simpler than that. If any of you think otherwise, it is apparently obvious that you people failed basic elementary mathematics, it's a crying shame, it really is.

(Coraxus finishes taking a dump, wipes his ass and flushes the toilet)

And yes Wade, I agree that something should be done about posting stuff in the news of the front page.

[Pulp-Fiction]

At 10/16/02 10:52 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Interesting stuff, but worth bumping Will Stamper's very recent announcement of Keeblur 2, an actual long awaited future Flash submission to NG, halfway down the front page, along with other current NG issues? I question the appropriateness of it all.

I believe the idea of giving certain people front page access was to allow them a way to further promote their submissions and Flash work, not push their personal agendas.

During a slow time it wouldn't be a big deal, but Will Stamper understood NG is going through a lot of upgrades and we have been posting a lot of updates lately. He took the time to contact me and ask it if was okay to make a post. I gave him the go ahead since it was about a big Flash project that is close to being finished. I just feel bad his post was knocked out of the spot light after only being there a short time. Maybe we should have something that restricts users from posting to soon after a post as been made, as I'm sure this wasn't intentional.

Jesus Wade, it's not like users are exactly going to miss Keeblur 2's post. They can scroll down atleast twice to read the damn thing. Besides, this topic is worth reading and just because it pushed down another one currently posted doesn't exactly mean anything. And about posting only being used to promote flash work, what are you talking about? I've seen many front pages posts not having any references to flash.

If you were to restrict certain postings, it wouldn't be that bad but too much heat was given on a simple (and larger than most postings) topic.

[mattymetro]

What I gotta say about it is that it was kids just feeling that it was the shit they needed to do.
No one knows what pressure that another gets put to.
And everyone werks on different levels of emotion to placement. Who really knows who would have smiled to see those children in torment torture or the fall of their lives.

[mattymetro]

At 10/17/02 12:26 AM, MAXIMINA wrote:

At 10/16/02 08:25 PM, seanbonner wrote: I went to see Michael Moore's new film Bowling For Columbine this weekend and I have to agree with the reviews I've been hearing, it's the best thing he's ever done.

&#65279;I haven’t been much of a fan of Michael Moore, but I must say this film looks very good. It
brings about a lot of points that I have been considered insane for bringing up in the past.

I was not surprised in any way by the Columbine attack. I come from South Africa, where the
homicide rate is over double that of the US. I’ve been in a couple minor school riots, and for me
they are expected. Shocking, hardly... It was just a matter of time.

I’m actually going to go out of my way to see this film. I love low budget films that overcome
the high-budget in either fun or sense. I guess I root for the underdogs.

As for all the little ignorant Americans out there... You have no idea how bad Columbine could
have been... It was bad, yes... But get over it, and don’t forget it.

I will be leaving this world soon, much like they did but not in a blaze of glory... So feel free to forget what I say, as if they were the words of a dead man.

YES!!.. he's gonna kill himself!1

[Reverend-Kyle]

Does anyone else agree with me that it is time to stop blaming video games and poiting fingers? I don't want to be a hypocrite for what I just said, but the finger has to be pointed at society. How can they be the "best years of your life" when you are treated like shit?

[WadeFulp]

At 10/17/02 01:51 AM, JackJacket18 wrote: Jesus Wade, it's not like users are exactly going to miss Keeblur 2's post. They can scroll down atleast twice to read the damn thing. Besides, this topic is worth reading and just because it pushed down another one currently posted doesn't exactly mean anything. And about posting only being used to promote flash work, what are you talking about? I've seen many front pages posts not having any references to flash.

If you were to restrict certain postings, it wouldn't be that bad but too much heat was given on a simple (and larger than most postings) topic.

What I have suggested is we make it so when certain people post it restricts them to 5-10 lines, then you have to click a link to view the rest of the article. This is how a lot of sites handle new posts. This way people could write even longer posts, but not take up so much space. What you fail to realize is front page space is very valuable and a lot of people don't scroll down. If it's not right in front of them they are going to miss it. I think just limiting how much is displayed on the main page would solve this issue.

[Pulp-Fiction]

At 10/17/02 07:01 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 10/17/02 01:51 AM, JackJacket18 wrote: Jesus Wade, it's not like users are exactly going to miss Keeblur 2's post. They can scroll down atleast twice to read the damn thing. Besides, this topic is worth reading and just because it pushed down another one currently posted doesn't exactly mean anything. And about posting only being used to promote flash work, what are you talking about? I've seen many front pages posts not having any references to flash.

If you were to restrict certain postings, it wouldn't be that bad but too much heat was given on a simple (and larger than most postings) topic.

What I have suggested is we make it so when certain people post it restricts them to 5-10 lines, then you have to click a link to view the rest of the article. This is how a lot of sites handle new posts. This way people could write even longer posts, but not take up so much space. What you fail to realize is front page space is very valuable and a lot of people don't scroll down. If it's not right in front of them they are going to miss it. I think just limiting how much is displayed on the main page would solve this issue.

If anyone was to read the Columbine topic, they would have surely noticed it halfthrough reading the article. The others? Won't.

[mattymetro]

At 10/17/02 07:01 AM, WadeFulp wrote: What I have suggested is we make it so when certain people post it restricts them to 5-10 lines, then you have to click a link to view the rest of the article. This is how a lot of sites handle new posts. This way people could write even longer posts, but not take up so much space. What you fail to realize is front page space is very valuable and a lot of people don't scroll down. If it's not right in front of them they are going to miss it. I think just limiting how much is displayed on the main page would solve this issue.

Yeah... to bad it would take the page forever to load though.. Wade.. ya'll should play the lottery to get more server monies!

[Mini3D]

At 10/17/02 07:01 AM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 10/17/02 01:51 AM, JackJacket18 wrote: Jesus Wade, it's not like users are exactly going to miss Keeblur 2's post. They can scroll down atleast twice to read the damn thing. Besides, this topic is worth reading and just because it pushed down another one currently posted doesn't exactly mean anything. And about posting only being used to promote flash work, what are you talking about? I've seen many front pages posts not having any references to flash.

If you were to restrict certain postings, it wouldn't be that bad but too much heat was given on a simple (and larger than most postings) topic.

What I have suggested is we make it so when certain people post it restricts them to 5-10 lines, then you have to click a link to view the rest of the article. This is how a lot of sites handle new posts. This way people could write even longer posts, but not take up so much space. What you fail to realize is front page space is very valuable and a lot of people don't scroll down. If it's not right in front of them they are going to miss it. I think just limiting how much is displayed on the main page would solve this issue.

That sounds like a really awsome idea. But wouldn't that slow down the load of the front page a bit longer? If i doesn't i think that's a great idea, plus it'll totally make the front page look a bit more organized. I also suggest if you do that clean up some of the page as well. Update some of the movies in the front page, like remove those Bin Laden games and the Create a Ride, Roof Skater, and Sim girl. You did say people sometimes won't scroll down, well then why put the new movies so low on the front page yet you put the movies that almost everyone seen way up top. I suggest you should do like you've always done with the front page and put up some more new movies on the front page.

[yurgenburgen]

Hi everyone, i just read the post and i have often wanted to shoot everyone in my school because we have to put up with so much shit from the townies (if your not english, a towny is one of these little wankers who beat up people who dont dress like them) ,i dont condone the annihilation of innocents though...but if the schools arent gonna stop people getting bullied (because, when it comes down to it, thats what it is) , then things like columbine are bound to happen.

[SumthinLikeApimp]

I don' t get it, I was a bully in school, the popular kid and sure I made life hell for the queers, degenerates, and basic outcasts of society. I still don' t see why we are still on the old subject of Columbine, hell the kids are still dead, the shooters are still dead and basically everyone who is dead will remain dead, so F Micheal Moore, maybe he can take 5 minutes and pull the left wing cock out his mouth and do a piece about how Clinton F'd up America for 8 years

Uno

[Coraxus]

At 10/17/02 06:00 AM, Kyle_22 wrote: Does anyone else agree with me that it is time to stop blaming video games and poiting fingers? I don't want to be a hypocrite for what I just said, but the finger has to be pointed at society. How can they be the "best years of your life" when you are treated like shit?

That's what I wanted to put in my post but I was limited to number of characters. Yes, it's is so very true, we must blame society because it is obvious that they have not done jack shit about anything. I suppose they're picking ignorama out of their noses deluding themselves that it won't happen to them. Well guess what WRONG ANSWER. Whether you people want to admit it or not, that is the kind of bullshit that has led to the Columbine shooting in the first place.

And me like the others in this posts, I don't condone shooting people in a rage of frenzy but fuck you all if you think that all the fingers are going to point only at the murderers. It is the jocks and bastards who think themselves higher than the others who also deserves the finger, literally, infact I might as well shove one up their assess and see how they like being slapped around like a BITCH. And if someone points a finger at ME, I will bite it off and shove it up their ass so hard and so deep, not even a thousand suppository pills will ever be enough to get it out.

So a message to all those who think they have control over the lesser ones, to those who think they are higher than those that don't meet their standards giving you the right to jizzing off hipocracy all over the place and giving you the right to beat them up, this does not only apply to students but to parents and other adults that they no doubt inherited their stanky ass atitude . FUCK YOU, do you really think you have CONTROL, do YOU? You must really be on acid to think that you are. Know what? You ain't in control, you are never in control, you never had, and never ever will. So you better take this FACT up your ASS cause this is REALITY and NOT your fucking wetdream fantasy.

If you think what I just said is cold, it gets worse, shit like the Columbine shooting didn't need to happen. And if you ever learn a term called "Common Sense" you better take that by heart cause you're gonna need it. When problem starts to rise up like it did in Littleton, even if it's in slow motion, ask yourself, "Is there a better way to handle this?" really is there? There better be unless you want to paint the school in red color AGAIN.

So if you push a person into a beserk mode, know this, once that person loses their humanity, NO ONE can stop it, it will be like trying to stop a nuclear explosion once it has gone off. What am I getting at? Simple, if you drive a person gun crazy, and you know you did and everybody knows you did it, and the person you picked on never had a grudge against the world in the first place, EXPECT NO SIMPATHY FROM ME!! I won't even shed a fucking molecule of it.

[RICHARD-RAMIREZ]

I THINK COLUMBINE WAS NOT A BAD THING.I THINK IT WAS GREAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BIGGER I WISH THE PROPANE BOMB THOSE HEROS LEFT WOULD HAVE GONE OFF.WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL I WAS FUCKED WITH ONCE.THIS JOCK WAS TALKING SHIT WITH HIS BUDDIES AND DECIDED TO TRY TO GANG UP ON ME THREE ON ONE.WHAT THEY DID NOT KNOW IS THAT I WAS A DIAGNOSED PSYCHOPATH WITH NO CONSCIENCE SO WHEN THE JOCKS TRIED RUSHING ME I WAS HOLDING A SHARP METAL COMPASS.CUT ONE GUYS' EAR ALMOST IN HALF ONE GOT STABBED IN THE GUT THE DUDE WHO STARTED IT?HE GOT A 10 INCH SCAR FROM CHEEK TO CHEEK.OF COURSE I GOT SUSPENDED EVEN THOUGH THOSE FAGS STARTED IT.AFTER THAT NO ONE FUCKED WITH ME AGAIN.TO ALL THOSE KIDS GETTING BULLIED I SAY GET THE MAIN ONE WHO IS FUCKING WITH YOU ALONE BY HIMSELF EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW HIM FOR DAYS AND GET SOMETHING AND BEAT HIM HALF TO DEATH AND RIGHT BEFORE HE PASSES OUT TELL HIM IF YOU OR ANY OF YOUR BOYS FUCK WITH ME AGAIN I WILL FINISH THE JOB TELL ANYBODY I WILL KILL YOU IN THE HOSPITAL.IT MAY SOUND BRUTAL BUT IT WORKS.I ADMIT I STILL SMILE WHEN I SEE THE GUY WHO FUCKED WITH ME.THAT TEN INCH SCAR ON HIS FACE WAS DEFINITELY WORTH THREE DAYS SUSPENSION AND 1 YEAR PROBATION.

[richardragon]

I wanted to let you all in on a little secret of mine. I enjoy this site so much it practically runs my life. I have some strange obsession with Newgrounds. I had to quit my job because I would constantly call in sick day after day. I don't care anymore though. I moved back in with my parents because I couldn't pay rent much less pay for my groceries. I was concerned about my health both mentally and physically for the first several months, but now I realize that there are plenty of 450-pound men out there that lead nearly "normal" lives - whatever "normal" is. I admit that I'm now afraid of the world, I have dreams of people being mean to me and it scares the hell out of me. I don't want my old self back though, I'm way more happy being on Newgrounds 12-14 hours a day watching movies and playing games. I'm starting to get lonely and would like some encouraging words from other members. I know I need to grow up and get on with my life. How do I go about doing this? I cant seem to stop being on here. Am I sick? Wow, I never thought it would come to this. Thanks in advance for any words of encouragement.