Music downloads and reviews.

[monkeybullman]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I would like to bring it to attention again.
If people are willing to download a NG artists music then they should have to leave a review of that particular trk. I for one have found that lots of my trx have a fair few downloads but not a representative amount of reviews. I'm sure I can speak collectively and say, as music makers reviews are what we are after, especially constructive critisism that can really benefit the development of our trx.
I'm sure this could be implemented relatively simply, a review prompt that appears when the user goes to download the trk.(true this might put some people of downloading, but a review is a small price to pay for an original piece of someones music/time and creativity). Most trx are of a relatively large filesize and take approximately a minute or so to download on the fastest computers, so why not use that downloading time as review time?

[DarKsidE555]

Simple, because only NG-Users can review and rate a trk. Guest can only download it!

[monkeybullman]

Don't get what u mean. Sure only NG members can rate and review music, but if Guests want to download the music then they should be made to join the site, benefitting both the Music makers and Newgrounds.

[DarKsidE555]

Well...ya know...people are lazy. ;)
For some it takes too much time to create an account and write a review, of course it would be better that way, but ya can't have all.

[B0UNC3]

Ok before anyone says a single word back to me lemme just say that i'mdrunk as fuck.

Ok this is NG!!When did you ever actually expect to get a signle constructive review?

the only thing u might get is

"omfg nice ur tha k1n6 pmfg wtff halalala a omfg omgopmg pimp n33b0r"

^^^^very constructive....i actually only have 1 or 2 reviews out of my whole review bank which actually is constructive...So i doubt that would happen on NG.

Now i gotta go find my lost runnaway beer

[NDP]

LOL haha you tard bouce lol!

[monkeybullman]

At 8/15/05 08:57 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: Ok this is NG!!When did you ever actually expect to get a signle constructive review?

Ok, fair enough, then scrub the constructive remark, reviews are good, whether they are good or bad, they are still better than none at all.
I try to give constructive reviews and there are others who do the same, but it is true that they are few and far between.
Man, the audio part of this site is frustrating, i've just had all my trx, both my Kingbastard and MBM audio zeroed, again!

[SpamWarrior]

Face it mate, if you dont make trance dnb or techno then you're a target. Speak out against 0 voters and crews, like i do, and you're a target. Complain to the ng staff some of whom are unscrupulous and in the crews, about 0 voters, and you become a target. If its bitin you that much mate then its time to move on, and go to somewhere where the owners actually give a shit about audio.

Redcircle says yeah yeah, it'll be better in the future, but they're too busy right now.

Wade himself says, nothing doing for a LONG time.

I dont think there'll be anything done for a long time, and any improvements will be marginal at best. Certainly nothing stopping anonymous 0 voting, who'd like to deny the wanker crews some influence? Not the NG staff, thats for certain... they'd say invasion of privacy, yeah, cos its such a serious matter if someone if 0 voting someone that they're going to cry if they're exposed... BS all the way.

Merry monday everyone.

[monkeybullman]

already have moved on, I have my audio on many sites, just voicing my opinions about this site.

[B0UNC3]

Ok first of all the whole thing about doing a certain genre to get known....That really is so complex to answer so i wont even do it in the BBS.

0 voters...Well this ain't heaven, and there is not a single place in the world were absolutely NO ONE doesn't want to get higher up the top and still have a golden heart.Look at schools and tell me there is a single school without any bullies.Do that...

Also 1 thing can be this, actually listen to whats on the top of the chart of your specific genre.Try to replicate but still make it ur own.That would give you a boost in the charts.
You Can't manipulate the listener, but you Can manipulate the music you create.

There are 2 main kinds of producers.The one doing it for fun, and wants to feel appreciated...

For fun Producers
Un-Constructive reviews do just fine for those

The serious producer
Then there is the kind of producers who actually try to make something out of it.
Constructive reviews pretty much are the only things wanted.

I do both to be honest, but i have never really seen anyone on here that actually does give constructive criticism.And those who actually gets it almost always bursts out in flmaes and call you retard or something.

Ok the alcohol is leaving my body and I just need a cup of coffee and i'll complete this post...

[NDP]

BOUNCE is right, unfortunetly, the reviews some ppl look cannot and will not be found by the mass on ng, because most ppl here dont know what there talking about. Theres always exeptions, personnaly, ive learned ALOT since ive arrived, you can tell by my progression. Thats because i choose to be open to everything and choose now to fall in between my ego and my fans. I want to get better, so i do. Personnaly, NO review has helped, only bounce has, and experimenting with fruity. Ng is more for the "fun" artist as bounces mentioned. Unfortunetly, i do not think ideserve to be anywehre else yet, so i choose to host my music for ppl and at the same time learn from myslef and the pros..

Nicolas..

[NDP]

SRY FOR DOUBLE POST, BU I AM A HORRIBLE SPELLER AND I MISSED TWO IMPORTANT WORDS LOL

BOUNCE is right, unfortunetly, the reviews some ppl look FOR cannot and will not be found by the mass on ng, because most ppl here dont know what there talking about. Theres always exeptions, personnaly, ive learned ALOT since ive arrived, you can tell by my progression. Thats because i choose to be open to everything and choose NOT to fall in between my ego and my fans. I want to get better, so i do. Personnaly, NO review has helped, only bounce has, and experimenting with fruity. Ng is more for the "fun" artist as bounces mentioned. Unfortunetly, i do not think ideserve to be anywehre else yet, so i choose to host my music for ppl and at the same time learn from myslef and the pros..

Nicolas..

[Cold]

Audio reviews dont count towards your "review count," so I think that guests should be able to review.

But... how many guests do you really think visit the AP?

[NDP]

no one actually knows that i think... there should be a counter where you see how many ppl has went to your page, like when you make a flash

[LJCoffee]

At 8/15/05 01:17 PM, NDP wrote: like when you make a flash

Well... same as in the FP - guests can vote there as well but the vote doesn't have as much weight. Maybe it should be the same in the AP - guests can vote and download and whatever else but the votes are only worth 1pt and registered users votes are a little more powerful... I mean - we all have levels and experience and all of that -

I KNOW how difficult it would be and I'm not trying to turn this into another "revolution" thread - but maybe registered users should get an audio vote power as well - maybe a little algorithm that counts up your total audio submissions - averages your audio scores - whatever it need to so and comes up with an audio vote power... That way the artists who generally know what they're doing (who have higher average scores) will have more of an impact on a submission...

I don't know man... I'm just making this all up... disregard this entire post... damn.. too late to delete it as I've already hit the "Post it!" button

[Erkie]

Ever consider that they were fans and not other artists?

As monkeybullman, I've seen you go around and review other artists.

Half the time they say they're honored, and obviously they don't see themselves in the position to give musical criticism because they're not experienced enough.

Otherwise most of the people who download would just leave fanmail in place of an actual review.

[monkeybullman]

At 8/15/05 02:09 PM, Erkie wrote: Ever consider that they were fans and not other artists?

As monkeybullman, I've seen you go around and review other artists.

Half the time they say they're honored, and obviously they don't see themselves in the position to give musical criticism because they're not experienced enough.

Otherwise most of the people who download would just leave fanmail in place of an actual review.

Whether the people who download trx are fans of a persons music or other artists is irrelevent. The point here is that if someone downloads your music they should have to write a review, simple, no need to over complicate the matter.
As i mentioned before, scrap the constructive review part, just reviews is good enough and makes the effort that goes into producing music a little more satisfying.
I've never encountered anyone who says they're honored to receive a review from me, but i'll take that on your word, that's incredibly flattering.

[Rucklo]

First of, i´ve heard rumours that things are goin on in the AP, cant remember from where ive read it, but its not unlikley that the ng staff are working on improvements.
Secondly, why not create a "reviewers crew" or something similiar to that? Dunno how something like that would work out, but rules can be sorted out along the way. Myself, i´m too busy (lazy:) to start something like that. But ill join if anyone comes up with good ideas...

/rucklo

[RNR]

Hey Rucklo! did you read the review I gave you for your song Teknokrater? Please reply to it!

[Erkie]

They do have review crews, just not enough.

[RNR]

At 8/15/05 07:24 PM, Erkie wrote: They do have review crews, just not enough.

ya and not enough if them that actually help

[Chronamut]

allright I would just like to point out that I HAVE given out constructive reviews on occasion - and any good artist that reviews my stuff I have usu said that im honoured yada yada yada...

[RNR]

one of of my songs have about over 50 downloads and I don't see over 50 reviews for it!

[EckHart]

I am after mainly reviews, and downloads. Because votes don't really do anything for me now. Zero votes sort of unbalance the voting system. You don't really now if the track sucks for sure, or if people are just voting zero for the hell of it.

NOW, downloading. THAT'S different. People must like your music if they take their time to download it. But I think reviews should be a must as well. I realize that the chance of that happening are slim to none. So if no one reviews MY stuff why should I vote on theirs. People will download it, and NOT EVEN VOTE! What the hell man. I could care less what the vote, just vote to make me think it's worth your time?

I only really want, downloads, and reviews. That's it....

But such is life...

[Rucklo]

At 8/15/05 06:52 PM, Starsailor wrote: Hey Rucklo! did you read the review I gave you for your song Teknokrater? Please reply to it!

Sure I read it man! I read all my reviews. I´m just a lil lazy in replying :) I´ll get to it tomorrow, now i gotta go sleep. Soooo tired... :P

/Rucklo

[RNR]

I'm just happy some people are reviewing and downloading my stuff. That's all I really care about. Voting is always appreciated, too! Thanks!

[jarrydn]

At 8/15/05 10:15 AM, monkeybullman wrote:

At 8/15/05 08:57 AM, B0UNC3 wrote: Ok this is NG!!When did you ever actually expect to get a signle constructive review?

Ok, fair enough, then scrub the constructive remark, reviews are good, whether they are good or bad, they are still better than none at all.

Not neccesarily. What if someone left you a review saying "If you read this, I'm going to give you AIDS"?. Wouldn't you have rather not gotten that review.

And don't say if he tries to give you AIDS, you'll just beat him up. He's the Terminator and he cannot die or be beaten up.

[jarrydn]

At 8/15/05 08:57 PM, Starsailor wrote: one of of my songs have about over 50 downloads and I don't see over 50 reviews for it!

One of my songs has over 3500 downloads and I don't see over 3500 reviews for it.

Your point?

[RNR]

At 8/17/05 12:05 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 8/15/05 08:57 PM, Starsailor wrote: one of of my songs have about over 50 downloads and I don't see over 50 reviews for it!

One of my songs has over 3500 downloads and I don't see over 3500 reviews for it.

Your point?

lol

my point is some artists, like myself, don't get the recognition the deserve. Artists like you, ParagonX9, etc... get the proper recognition because your music has decent exposure. Especially in ParagonX9's case, his music is always being played at the Audio Portal homepage.

[jarrydn]

How does my music get more exposure than yours?