~§ Pc Too Far? Seminole Debacle §~

[IllustriousPotentate]

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) -- Gov. Jeb Bush criticized NCAA officials on Tuesday for their decision to penalize Florida State for using an American Indian nickname and symbols, saying they instead insulted the university and a proud Seminole Tribe of Florida.

The NCAA's finding that the school's Seminoles nickname is "hostile and offensive," instead of honoring American Indians has the opposite effect, the governor said, because the tribe supports the school's use of its name.

"I think it's offensive to native Americans ... the Seminole Indian tribe who support the traditions of FSU," Bush said on his way into a Cabinet meeting. "I think they insult those people by telling them, 'No, no, you're not smart enough to understand this. You should be feeling really horrible about this.' It's ridiculous."

What do you think? Sure, you can come up with lots of other things that the NCAA can be focusing on. However, since these schools are partly government funded, unlike professional sports leagues, shouldn't they avoid the use of racial and/or ethnic mascots and team names, in case there are people who are offended by the use of them?

[Memorize]

I dont see what the big deal is with using tribal/indian names. Im an american indian i think it's pretty cool that they use those names.

[seventy-one]

As I said in another thread, I don't see how the seminoles or the utes are offensive, I do see how the savages and redskins are offensive. Is the NCAA really that afraid of being sued? I understand some names must be changed, but seminoles, c'mon. The NCAA is going downhill, ratings are slipping, there's less talented basketball players in college because they all go to the pros. Sad attempt by the NCAA to save face.

[Jimsween]

Alot of the stuff in America is named after the Natives. Its part of our culture really.

[GorillaUnit485]

I don't agree with racial-based sports teams, but it seems like the Seminoles is one of the most harmless.

But if Native Americans (Only the Seminoles, in this case) are offended by the name then the school SHOULD be fined. I'd be pretty pissed if there were teams like the Redskins about my heritage.

"The New York Kikes drove 90 yards today only to settle for a fieldgoal"
"Yea, but that's just because the San Diego Crackers have an amazing defence"
"If I were the Kikes, I'd be worried about the Tampa Bay Degos stealing the AFC title away from them."

I made these comparisons because Redskin is considered a slur. If Redskin weren't a slur, it wouldn't be as offensive. That's why I'm so confused that of all teams, FSU was fined.

[LazyDrunk]

At 8/10/05 07:54 PM, Jimsween wrote: Alot of the stuff in America is named after the Natives. Its part of our culture really.

I'm offended that we've let actual American states be named after Native American tribes. Montana, Missouri . . . all states with American Indian tribal names should be changed. It's disrespectful and offensive that we as conquerers rub it in the faces of Native Americans, and even fund them with the federal government's money!

But yeah.

The NCAA is only doing this because of the increasing amount of rich white prick college students parading around the fences at university football games, demanding the names be changed. It's fucking pathetic, especially when some of the schools have direct endorsement from the tribes themselves. Not to turn this into a partisan issue, but also peculiar is the lack of conservatives marching against the injustice or tribal mascots.

[bradford1]

At 8/10/05 04:05 PM, TimeFrame wrote: I dont see what the big deal is with using tribal/indian names. Im an american indian i think it's pretty cool that they use those names.

I'm basically full-blooded European, except for a chunk of Wabanaki, and personally, I disagree. (I am not a big football fan, just to be clarified.) On Indian Reservations, the poverty rate is over 40% social problems and crime are rampant, and the U.S. government just sits back and trims the borders of the reservations. The Wabanakis are not the lucky ones who have a reservation. They live under tarps in New England junkyards. I hate Jeb Bush, he is an asshole to mock the plight of the Native Americans. His desicion to continue those names for his own benefit (redneck football fan) instead of for that of the people, the Native Americans. Even those who aren't American citizens, on reservations, or god forbid, junkyards and gutters.

[bradford1]

At 8/10/05 07:54 PM, Jimsween wrote: Alot of the stuff in America is named after the Natives. Its part of our culture really.

I know that the NCAA is basketball, that football comment shows how much I care for sports.

Now in response, Jimsween, I'll create a team racist towards African-Americans. It's part of my culture. Hypathetically, if I did such a thing my team's name would be changed, and I would be sued instantly. (As a matter of fact, if I heard someone do something like this I'd HELP sue the fucking team) But my point is that it is hateful, and it is a 'part' of our culture that is in need of change, and by the way, I seem to get the impression that you believe that there are tribes that are called 'Redskins' or 'Savages'. Nevermind fucktwat, go back to your NASCAR and beer.

[ReiperX]

Seminoles isn't offensive. But I'm not much into college sports so I really could care less.

[IllustriousPotentate]

At 8/11/05 05:24 AM, bradford1 wrote: Now in response, Jimsween, I'll create a team racist towards African-Americans. It's part of my culture. Hypathetically, if I did such a thing my team's name would be changed, and I would be sued instantly. (As a matter of fact, if I heard someone do something like this I'd HELP sue the fucking team)

There's a big difference between using an ethnic slur as a team name and using, for example, a tribal name. If a team wanted to name itself the Berbers, the Turks, the Masaai, I don't see the problem with that, as long as it's not used in a disparaging way.

But my point is that it is hateful, and it is a 'part' of our culture that is in need of change, and by the way, I seem to get the impression that you believe that there are tribes that are called 'Redskins' or 'Savages'. Nevermind fucktwat, go back to your NASCAR and beer.

So we need to get rid of these hateful stereotypes so you can make hateful stereotypes that NASCAR fans are ignorant, stupid and racist.

[Demosthenez]

Maybe they missed the part where FSU had an agreement with the tribe to use all Seminole symbols as they wish. The Indian rider, face, name, and whatever the hell else and all.

And screw them. I love FSU. DOWN WITH UF!!

[MDayShakespeare]

At 8/10/05 08:03 PM, GorillaUnit485 wrote:

But if Native Americans (Only the Seminoles, in this case) are offended by the name then the school SHOULD be fined. I'd be pretty pissed if there were teams like the Redskins about my heritage.

"The New York Kikes drove 90 yards today only to settle for a fieldgoal"
"Yea, but that's just because the San Diego Crackers have an amazing defence"
"If I were the Kikes, I'd be worried about the Tampa Bay Degos stealing the AFC title away from them."

"The Fighting Irish defeated Duke today." Oh wait.
Not disagreeing with anything you said GorillaUnit, just continuing your examples to make a point. The Fighting Irish could be considered offensive but no one cares because the people who are offended are white. As for the Native American mascots, Redskins has got to go. Other mascots like the Seminoles, I believe those are okay because they are actually using a tribe name and not a derogatory term and in the case of the Seminoles, they're named after the tribe that was prominent in that area of Floride and the Seminole tribe has actually said they support Florida State's use of the name. In my opinion, our country has been way too politically correct for years.

[MDayShakespeare]

At 8/11/05 06:55 AM, -Illustrious- wrote:

At 8/11/05 05:24 AM, bradford1 wrote:

:: : But my point is that it is hateful, and it is a 'part' of our culture that is in need of change, and by the way, I seem to get the impression that you believe that there are tribes that are called 'Redskins' or 'Savages'. Nevermind fucktwat, go back to your NASCAR and beer.

So we need to get rid of these hateful stereotypes so you can make hateful stereotypes that NASCAR fans are ignorant, stupid and racist.

Ahh, illustrious you forget that to Northerners like bradford1, those aren't stereotypes. It's a given fact that every single Southerner is stupid, ignorant, racist, and we aren't nearly intelligent enough to use such clever words as "fucktwat."

[Jimsween]

At 8/11/05 05:24 AM, bradford1 wrote: Now in response, Jimsween, I'll create a team racist towards African-Americans. It's part of my culture. Hypathetically, if I did such a thing my team's name would be changed, and I would be sued instantly. (As a matter of fact, if I heard someone do something like this I'd HELP sue the fucking team) But my point is that it is hateful, and it is a 'part' of our culture that is in need of change, and by the way, I seem to get the impression that you believe that there are tribes that are called 'Redskins' or 'Savages'. Nevermind fucktwat, go back to your NASCAR and beer.

Waah wahh waahhhh.

Your the kind of bitch that complains when the history channel uses the world negro for some programs. None of it is done out of hate, not one bit of it. If you can find an example of it being done out of hate then please present it. They have those names because there was a time in our history where there were alot of natives still around, believe it or not, and they influenced our culture.

[Camarohusky]

Yay, another witch hunt by the NCAA. First it was lude conduct by coaches (which many times was found out to be wrong and blown out of proportion,) and now this.

I think the NCAA should be focusing on athletics and the quality of its piss poor referees rather than the PCness of its schools.

[Redbob86]

Okay, my high school's football team was, guess what, THE INDIANS! Nobody had a problem with it.

I mean, I understand where these PC people are comming from, but enough's enough. Most of the people that make these kind of claims don't have any Native American blood in them, they are just white guys feeling bad. Look, I know you want everybody to be happy and all, but nobody DID have a problem with this until you guys came along.

[JoS]

I thought you were refering to the currency used in the game The Sims.