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At 9/5/05 08:21 PM, fli wrote: (Cause the blessing sure do come in for me.)

Just for the sake of being contrary, then what about Job? God loved Job and allowed Satan to, basically, shit all over him.

You'll have to excuse me if I haven't read all the comments in this thread. I've seen so many "gay rights" issues fly through the Politics board that reading the same arguments over and over get's tiring. For anyone who cares about my opinion after saying that, go ahead and read the reasons I'm about to list that are for gay marriage:

1) Disease. Many people argue that diseases are more rampant in the gay community than in the heterosexual circles. IF this is true, take a second to consider that perhaps if we allowed two homosexuals to marry, the chances of being promiscuous and sleeping with multiple partners would probably be reduced, thus, reducing the spread of disease.

2) Religion. Allowing homosexuals to marry does NOT mean that the church is obligated to marry homosexuals. What it means is, that if the gay couple are able to find a church that does support gay marriage, then they will be free to get married in that church. In no way, state, or form does it mean that Religions who do not support gay rights will be forced to make the union. The state will have to accept the marriage, not the churches.

3) Demeans the sanctity of marriage. Untrue. Why is it that a relationship between a man and a man or a woman and a woman takes away from how much you love or cherish the one you are with? When there is abuse in a straight couple's marriage, does it demean or take away from the bond that you share with your own spouse? The point of marriage is to strengthen the bond between two people, and has no influence on any other relationship but their own.

4) Gays make the choice. The opposite argument could be stated just as strongly, if not, moreso, given that the scientific evidence that we have on homosexuals so far suggests that the biology of gays is different from straights. This would indicate that it is their biology that is determining their sexual preference and is not a concious decision. However, the point is mute seeing as there is no 100% concrete evidence that supports either side of the argument.

5) Gays shouldn't have rights. Frankly, it goes against human rights to deny someone equality based on personal beliefs, religion, sex, etc if those circumstances do not pose any physical or psychological harms onto others. Given that there is no concrete evidence to support a claim of harm, there is no justification in denying gays the right to marriage.

These are the main reasons why homosexuals should have the right to marriage (there are more, but listing them all would go beyond the character allowance).

So, even though I am heterosexual, I say yes to gay marriage.

At 9/5/05 06:48 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

At 9/5/05 03:51 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 9/5/05 02:48 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

You know what, if you want to go to the effort of tracking me down and coming all the way HERE, go ahead. Everyone's fucking sick and tired of the "HEY MAN Y DON U PROVE UR SO TUFF" argument, because everyone knows that it's completely illogical to assume that a person isn't going to go somewhere and get into a bareknuckle boxing match with you over something that got said on the fucking internet just because they're SCARED. There's a myriad of other reasons that would take precedent over that anyway.

Tell you what. You send me your name, address, phone number, a few thousand dollars to cover travel and other miscellaneous expenses, hire a travel agent to arrange the trip, and schedule it so I won't be busy at the time doing ANYTHING ELSE over those few days, and I'll come and fight you.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up about this.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha omg omg ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha hah dear jesus make it end ha ha ha ha ha ah ha ah ha!!!!!! ohh ohh dear ha ha ha a hah ha ha ha!!! ok ok seriously seems like i touched a nerve, you gonna be ok? question have you ever even been in a fight before? you dont have to answer that just think about it.

Doesn't disasters cause insurances rates to go up? And isn't the actual reason why insurance rates are going is because of the insurance companies making them go up so they can gain more money off you, by using aids as an excuse?

Draggula has completely lossed it. Draggula welcome to mental limbo, you are free to stay here all you like.

Elfer, Fli, I don't think Draggula's brain is working, do you think we should try to fix that problem. I say, "don't bother, he wasn't really here to begin with",

Drugs are batter for you, Druggula. Would you like a warm bath and a hot cup of coffee?

Note to self, do not tell Druggula the true reason behind why gays are no different from normal people. He wouldn't understand, since he isn't a normal person himself.

Hey night_watch_man18, you need to go public with that information. I think what you have just said was the key to stopping this injustice towards people with a sexuality difference.

At 9/5/05 08:21 PM, fli wrote: How so presumptous of you to believe what God knows--
And if there is something that can be said about God.

What homosexuals do is a perversion of what God created our bodies for. He calls our body a temple. I highley think that God supports the perversion of what he created. You really think God supports same-sex marriage?

God must like gays,
if there are already so many of us who are so happily married.

You don't have to have God's blessing to be happily married. God loves Gays just as he loves everyone else, but he loves them as PEOPLE while he may hate what they DO. The saying "Love the sinner hate the sin" same thing applies with what God does.

My life alone is testemony that God loves me.
Loving home and family.
Good food. Good friends.

God loves you theres no doubt about that, but he doesn't like what you do sexually. You can't honestly sit there and say God supports what homosexuals do sexually.

What god are you talking about, yours?

At 9/5/05 09:08 PM, Elfer wrote: What god are you talking about, yours?

Im assuming the Christian God.

At 9/5/05 09:10 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote: Im assuming the Christian God.

Well, you know what they say.

When you "assume" you make an "ass" out of yourself and nobody likes you.

At 9/5/05 08:47 PM, Dranigus wrote: Hey night_watch_man18, you need to go public with that information. I think what you have just said was the key to stopping this injustice towards people with a sexuality difference.

Well really it's a collection of many points from many minds... some of it is just common sense too. I just pieced it all together for people to read, if they choose to do so. I'm sure others have done the same.

But thanks anyways.
=)

At 9/5/05 09:12 PM, Elfer wrote:
Well, you know what they say.

When you "assume" you make an "ass" out of yourself and nobody likes you.

You said it wrong. When you "assume" you make an "ass" out of "u" and "me". If your going to say it say it right. Ya, alot of people don't like me. Thank you for pointing out the obvious jack ass ^^; Mabye you could also say why they don't like me, while your at it, you know just to add more to the insult

At 9/5/05 08:08 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 9/5/05 06:42 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

Yeah, I said AIDS, not gay marriage.

so people with aids getting insurance under gay marriage laws and insurance costs due to new people being covered arent related? dig a little deeper

Thank you, try again.

And as for the fight thing, sure, I'm totally willing to let you hire me to fight you. I'm not willing to actually fight someone over some lousy name-calling, especially on the internet, but if you're willing to pay me a good sum for my trouble, and take care of all the legal issues involved, then yes, you can hire me to fight you.

ha ha ha ha omg are you serious? ha ha ha ha this is really sad. why dont you and that dragon ball z guy just fly down here in his space ship and whip my ass? ha ha ha ha

At 9/5/05 09:07 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote::

You really think God supports same-sex marriage?

I have heard plenty of mis-uses of the Bible against homosexual relations (sex), but I have yet to hear one that actually relates to marriage. Many are relating to Sodom and Gomorrah, lying with a man as one does a woman, etc, but I have never actually read a bible passage stating "Thou shalt not exchange metals bands with a man as one does with a woman. It is an abomination."

Would you supply some documentation as to why God is against Same-Sex Marriage?
Leave sex out of it.

At 9/5/05 09:28 PM, DragTheWater wrote: so people with aids getting insurance under gay marriage laws and insurance costs due to new people being covered arent related? dig a little deeper

I mentioned this much earlier on. I explained in excruciating detail why the impact, if any, on insurance premiums would be negligible at most.

ha ha ha ha omg are you serious? ha ha ha ha this is really sad. why dont you and that dragon ball z guy just fly down here in his space ship and whip my ass? ha ha ha ha

Really sad? You said I was hiding beind an internet screen in some sort of clumsy ploy to attack my arguments, and I offered to let you hire me to fight you, if you really think it's that big of a deal to prove that I'm some sort of wuss, you can prove it by hiring me to fight you. I'm not trying to threaten you, I'm offering you an opportunity to test out your claims by buying my services.

I don't think you could afford me, though.

id say yes because if a man and another man wanna get married or a woman and another woman wanna get married then let them. bible thumpers shouldnt have no say in love if you are gay and you wanna marry then you should be allowed to marry what business of it of the american goverment to choose who someone should love or not its stupid for judging somebody for who they love and there lifestyles.

At 9/5/05 09:28 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

At 9/5/05 08:08 PM, Elfer wrote:

At 9/5/05 06:42 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

ha ha ha ha omg are you serious? ha ha ha ha this is really sad. why dont you and that dragon ball z guy just fly down here in his space ship and whip my ass? ha ha ha ha

Wow I didn't know you were gay... I am sorry I should have known better than to stick up for your own right to marry the man of your dreams... how I could I ever make it up to you....

At 9/5/05 09:33 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: At 9/5/05 09:07 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote::

You really think God supports same-sex marriage?

I have heard plenty of mis-uses of the Bible against homosexual relations (sex), but I have yet to hear one that actually relates to marriage. Many are relating to Sodom and Gomorrah, lying with a man as one does a woman, etc, but I have never actually read a bible passage stating "Thou shalt not exchange metals bands with a man as one does with a woman. It is an abomination."

Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

At 9/5/05 09:52 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:
Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

Well if god was agaisnt sexual acts then wouldn't he also be against heterosexuality?

At 9/5/05 10:01 PM, Dranigus wrote:

At 9/5/05 09:52 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:
Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

Well if god was agaisnt sexual acts then wouldn't he also be against heterosexuality?

super sayin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats definatly untrue, i mean i dont use religion as a factor because if you dont believe in it then it is pointless. however, if you want clear example where it says "this is unnatural and sinful" i can provide one for you.

At 9/5/05 10:01 PM, Dranigus wrote:

At 9/5/05 09:52 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:
Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

Well if god was agaisnt sexual acts then wouldn't he also be against heterosexuality?

...Please don't tell me your that stupid to where I have to explain this to you...
The sexual acts of homosexuals >.>

Don't worry, I've got this one.

Leviticus:

18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

In Corinthians it is stated that everything not forbidden is permissable. By this logic since God does not speak about the marriage of homosexuals, he does not forbid it. Is this point agreed on?

I won't speak of sex until this is settled.

Allow me to restate the second rule of Fight Club... I mean Gay Right to Marriage:

2) Religion. Allowing homosexuals to marry does NOT mean that the church is obligated to marry homosexuals. What it means is, that if the gay couple are able to find a church that does support gay marriage, then they will be free to get married in that church. In no way, state, or form does it mean that Religions who do not support gay rights will be forced to make the union. The state will have to accept the marriage, not the churches.

Therefore, all this religious debate is for nothing... NOTHING!

If we passed laws based on religious beliefs, it would be ridiculous. I wouldn't be allowed to eat pork if I desired to do so, because the Jewish faith forbids it. I wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol because many religious faiths are against it. I wouldn't be allowed to masturbate, because some religious faiths are against it. Can you imagine that??? Police busting down my door while I'm in the middle of Fapping and throwing me in prison!!

Is this what Democracy stands for now? Did I miss a memo?

At 9/5/05 10:08 PM, Elfer wrote: Don't worry, I've got this one.

I have read them. I was looking for some biblical justification against Same-sex marriage, not sex. I'm not even discussing sex right now.

Technically, in the Bible, lust, in general, is frowned upon, be it with a man or a woman.

At 9/5/05 10:13 PM, night_watch_man18 wrote: Allow me to restate the second rule of Fight Club... I mean Gay Right to Marriage:

2) Religion. Allowing homosexuals to marry does NOT mean that the church is obligated to marry homosexuals. What it means is, that if the gay couple are able to find a church that does support gay marriage, then they will be free to get married in that church. In no way, state, or form does it mean that Religions who do not support gay rights will be forced to make the union. The state will have to accept the marriage, not the churches.

Therefore, all this religious debate is for nothing... NOTHING!

If we passed laws based on religious beliefs, it would be ridiculous. I wouldn't be allowed to eat pork if I desired to do so, because the Jewish faith forbids it. I wouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol because many religious faiths are against it. I wouldn't be allowed to masturbate, because some religious faiths are against it. Can you imagine that??? Police busting down my door while I'm in the middle of Fapping and throwing me in prison!!

Is this what Democracy stands for now? Did I miss a memo?

If you actually read some of the stuff we were talking about, you would realize that Fli said that God supported homosexuality. Thats why we are on the religious debate. If this subject was really put up to democracy, it wouldn't be a subject. Lots of people have spoken out against this but its the liberals who have the view that "We know whats good for you, you don't"

At 9/5/05 10:21 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote: If you actually read some of the stuff we were talking about, you would realize that Fli said that God supported homosexuality. Thats why we are on the religious debate. If this subject was really put up to democracy, it wouldn't be a subject. Lots of people have spoken out against this but its the liberals who have the view that "We know whats good for you, you don't"

Than the thread is on a tangent of religious debate, not on Gay Marriage.
I decided to stick with the original intent of the thread. That's why I said the religious debate is all for nothing when discussing gay marriage.

If people want to debate if homosexuality is considered a sin or not according to Christianity, it really belongs in one of the MANY other threads addressing the issue, not here.

Actually, due to the way this topic was started, religious debate has a place in this topic.

It just doesn't have a place in debates about the legalisation of gay marriage.

And since fli said that he's been married "in the eyes of god" for some time, that's talk of a religious marriage, not a legal one, so it opens up that topic for debate.

I'm going to abstain from the reigious debate for the most part because frankly, it doesn't interest me, and is entirely dependant on what religion you believe in, and how you interpret the scriptures associated with it.

At 9/5/05 10:06 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:

At 9/5/05 10:01 PM, Dranigus wrote:

At 9/5/05 09:52 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:
Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

Well if god was agaisnt sexual acts then wouldn't he also be against heterosexuality?

...Please don't tell me your that stupid to where I have to explain this to you...
The sexual acts of homosexuals >.>

Actually it is just the sexual acts of gay men that are in the bible. Nothing about lesbians at all.

And in addition, according to god, sex it self is an evil that should only be done after an eternal union to present as one entity. However doesn't that mean sex in a marriage is equal to masterbation, since it is sex from an entity to its self? And masterbation is a sin.
And sex without marriage is a sin as well. Or maybe you don't bother to read what you preach, fake christian.

At 9/5/05 11:54 PM, Dranigus wrote:

Actually it is just the sexual acts of gay men that are in the bible. Nothing about lesbians at all.

I'd love for you to point that out.

At 9/5/05 10:05 PM, DragTheWater wrote:

At 9/5/05 10:01 PM, Dranigus wrote:

At 9/5/05 09:52 PM, lAkiyoshil wrote:
Ok lets look at it from you pov. If God is for Same-Sex marriage then why is he against the sexual acts?

Well if god was agaisnt sexual acts then wouldn't he also be against heterosexuality?

super sayin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats definatly untrue, i mean i dont use religion as a factor because if you dont believe in it then it is pointless. however, if you want clear example where it says "this is unnatural and sinful" i can provide one for you.

You are an idiot, to think I was talking to you while using the bible as a reference.

So STFU you sick freak.

And you definitely need some weed to calm that crack obsession of yours. By the way use a grammar check, you type like you are drunk and on crack with someone having a dildo up your ass. Sorry if that sounds funny or wrong, but uh hey it is my opinion. And that is what I see when I read your post. Some sort of druggy with an anal fetish from Georgia that is disrespectful to people of difference. I bet if insurance rates went up because of immigrants from Japan or China, you would want to kill them all of too as you would with homosexuals, hmm? Or atleast you wouldn't allow them to get married.

Well while you are looking for a verse that says it is sinful and unnatural, you'll need to go and get yourself one of the hebrew/greek translated bibles, the King James version is no good.