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At 8/10/05 02:40 AM, capn_g wrote:

At 8/10/05 01:07 AM, _FLAGG wrote: People don't decide to get addicted...addiction just manifests after prolonged exposure.

If you decided to try crack and (since you say not everyone gets addicted right away and I have no reason to doubt it) you decide to keep using it, then I say you just decided to get addicted because you decided to be an arrogant, ignorant, weakling and go for cheap thrills. Unless someone put a gun to your head and demanded you smoke up, it's all on you and there's no point bitching about it later when it's out of control.

You've hit the nail on the head. Good job.
There's two extremes on this spectrum. One is people who think certain drugs get you addicted immediately. The other side thinks that 'I can't get addicted!"

Both sides are retarded. It's all a choice, but habitual drug use leads to addiction.
It's really simple, actually.

drugs are bad mmmkay

Addiction depends on a number of factors. Obviously it depends on the drug. It also depends on the eprson, some people are just naturally more easily addicted than others. So where you may be able to snort coke 3 times before you get addicted, Johny may be addicted the first time and Sally the 7th time. And naturally something like heroine is more addictive than coffee (I've heard that heronie is the only drug that addicts everyone the first or second time and is the hardest to break).

At 8/10/05 04:20 PM, _FLAGG wrote: Both sides are retarded. It's all a choice, but habitual drug use leads to addiction.
It's really simple, actually.

I don't get people who try drugs (espescially hard drugs) in the first place. Have they been living under a rock or something? Or are they just so deluded that they honestly either a) don't believe they will become addicted or b) don't care?

To me, saying to yourself "Hey, why don't I try this highly addictive substance and see if I actually become addicted" is like saying "Hey, why don't I step out in front of this bus to see if it actually kills me." Some things in life don't actually have to be experienced to be understood.

At 8/10/05 08:50 PM, capn_g wrote:

I don't get people who try drugs (espescially hard drugs) in the first place.

There are psychiratrists, psychologists, and other educated professionals who are more qualified than we are who are just as baffled.

To me, saying to yourself "Hey, why don't I try this highly addictive substance and see if I actually become addicted" is like saying "Hey, why don't I step out in front of this bus to see if it actually kills me." Some things in life don't actually have to be experienced to be understood.

More often like, "Hey, I wanna be 'cool" around my 'cool friends'" and dumbshit stuff like that.

I've been around some people who were habitual meth users, and probably addicts, but I've never been around hardcore fiends for the stuff. All the mall rats I know are meth heads and they're all really big losers. None of the cool kids I know mess with that shit. I actually almost tried it once, and probably would have if I hadn't had to go home.

I think part of the reason that meth is so widespread is a) the cost and b) the fact that it doesn't require big suppliers from far away like other drugs. It can be manufactured almost anywhere, so it can pop up almost anywhere.

At 8/10/05 12:48 AM, Maus wrote: discuss =/= debate.

posting =/= worthwhile topic

Not every thread in this forum has to have 'sides.' I'm sure FLAGG and I could actually impart some real-world experiences and knowledge to those that have only read about things like this.

My, aren't we filled with self-importance?

At 8/10/05 07:03 PM, JusticeofSarcasm wrote: (I've heard that heronie is the only drug that addicts everyone the first or second time and is the hardest to break).

There is nothing that will automatically make everyone addicted the first or second time they do it.

And capng, you seem to be under the impression that drugs are the only things people can become addicted to. A person can become addicted to anything. Remember that. Many illicit drugs can be controlled and used recreationally - given the person who is doing it knows what they're doing. But most people, I would say, don't get into drugs thinking about what they're doing. You don't understand why someone would use drugs? Fine. I don't understand the furry collection you hide under your bed. Different people, different hobbies (or escapes).

At 8/11/05 10:35 AM, red_skunk wrote: My, aren't we filled with self-importance?

Perhaps. People ask questions about things they've only read about, and in some instances, it helps to have a person share their experiences. Especially in cases like this, where the experience is vastly different depending on the person.

We don't need to fight about it. ;)

At 8/10/05 08:50 PM, capn_g wrote: To me, saying to yourself "Hey, why don't I try this highly addictive substance and see if I actually become addicted" is like saying "Hey, why don't I step out in front of this bus to see if it actually kills me." Some things in life don't actually have to be experienced to be understood.

I could say the very same thing about people that BASE jump, that fly home-made planes, that drive racecars, that hangglide, that surf huge waves, that do ANYTHING with a high chance of injury/death. None of those things have to be experienced.

At 8/11/05 12:43 PM, Maus wrote: I could say the very same thing about people that BASE jump, that fly home-made planes, that drive racecars, that hangglide, that surf huge waves, that do ANYTHING with a high chance of injury/death. None of those things have to be experienced.

True but none of those things are likely to affect crime rates, destroy families, burden society or kill anyone else but you. Which also ties into what red_skunk just said. I am in no way claiming drugs are the ONLY form of addictive behaviour but I think it's safe to say they are the most destructive form.

Crystal Meth, yum yum

but moving on, at my friends highschool you can by meth in the halls, my school ain't that bad, i think like the biggest drugh problem is weed, thats it

Hey, I'm going to go against the grain here. Partially for the hell of it.

Meth isn't that bad. The city my school is in, which is right next to my city, is full of meth. I've heard people talk about meth in our city as if it was a family trade, I even heard someone say people came up from Mexico and Colombia to learn how to make meth here. There are plenty of people who go through thier entire lives as meth addicts. They live practically the same, except for the fact that they do meth sometimes. They're poor and for lack of a better term, dirty, but mostly everyone else is too so nobody notices.

A friend of mine started doing meth. He got thinner, other then that he is the same.

It's all well and good for us to look down on them, but for alot of people it is not going to make a difference. They had no future to begin with, meth didn't ruin anything. Theyre going to go on fixing your car and doing meth until they die.

Meth is alot like alcohol. Except one happens to be legal.

its the fact that meth addiction, as with many other drug addictions often leads the addict to criminal activity to fund his/her habbit. thats the bad thing, i dont care if they smoke their lives away or shoot up in their room, as long as its not infront of me and they dont steal my car to pay for it i dont care

Okay, I have seen the whole thread, this may not be relevent but,whatever.
#1: thanks to you dipshits, i know how to make the stuff now.
#2:OLD topic
#3: why not just un-ban drugs?
Think: if the government legalized hemp and coke and whatnot,
crime would drop HUGELY.
no more people shooting each other for 'sale' territory;
no more bank robberies just to pay for the stuff;
And I know sure a HELL that the government (can and will) will tax you for the stuff.
then again, all the all the assholes trying to fight the impossible will try to kill me for saying this so goodbye!

runs like hell

At 8/11/05 03:33 PM, capn_g wrote: True but none of those things are likely to affect crime rates, destroy families, burden society or kill anyone else but you. Which also ties into what red_skunk just said. I am in no way claiming drugs are the ONLY form of addictive behaviour but I think it's safe to say they are the most destructive form.

I was going by your statement 'I don't know why anyone would TRY hard drugs.' That's all. People try things for the experience. Sometimes, it's not so smart.

At 8/11/05 04:03 PM, radioheaded wrote: #1: thanks to you dipshits, i know how to make the stuff now.

haha, no you don't. All you know is that cleaners and OTC drugs are components. People blow their houses up all the time trying to make it.

#2:OLD topic

Like the oh-so-fresh topics elsewhere in this forum...okay.

#3: why not just un-ban drugs?

Now THERE's an old topic.

Think: if the government legalized hemp and coke and whatnot,
crime would drop HUGELY.
no more people shooting each other for 'sale' territory;
no more bank robberies just to pay for the stuff;

I really don't see how legalising drugs will change any of that, except for the crime rate dropping in regards to 'drug dealing.' Robberies would probably increase, so that Junkhead McMeth could afford to go to the store and get his legal fix. :o

At 8/11/05 04:30 PM, Maus wrote:

At 8/11/05 04:03 PM, radioheaded wrote: #1: thanks to you dipshits, i know how to make the stuff now.

haha, no you don't. All you know is that cleaners and OTC drugs are components. People blow their houses up all the time trying to make it.

yea, its not like makin some moonshine in ur basement, its proper scientist shit, thats why its called a meth lab and not "meth bedroom".

Bear in mind that alcohol is just another drug. I know I'm going to hear some shit on that.

A friend of mine started doing meth. He got thinner, other then that he is the same.

But its not only short term damage than can be caused, the topic starter claimed memory loss which is a pretty big issue if your only in your mid 30s or so

At 8/11/05 04:35 PM, madzakk wrote: Bear in mind that alcohol is just another drug. I know I'm going to hear some shit on that.

Yes it is and legal too but that's not the point. Are alcohol and meth both drugs? Yes. Does meth = alcohol? I doubt it. It's kinda like saying crack = weed.

At 8/11/05 05:51 PM, capn_g wrote:

Yes it is and legal too but that's not the point. Are alcohol and meth both drugs? Yes. Does meth = alcohol? I doubt it. It's kinda like saying crack = weed.

With alcohol and weed, the key word is "moderation". Overindulgence on any is harmful.

I believe it is only drugs (not just hard or illegal) can make you physically addicted. Everything else is for ther most part mental (except perhaps adrenalin junkies). There has to be some biological change to makew you physically addicted. But mental addictions can be just as ahrd to break. Things like gambling, sex, TV, chocolate (still a drug thought becasue of its contents), porn, exersize are just a few of the different kinds of addictions people get.

At 8/11/05 05:00 PM, krama89 wrote: But its not only short term damage than can be caused, the topic starter claimed memory loss which is a pretty big issue if your only in your mid 30s or so

Not if thier stupid already. Which alot of people are. And not if theyre just doing manual labor. Which alot of people are.

Another reason meth has to be stopped is because for every pound of it produced, FIVE pounds of toxic waste is produced. And with meth become so huge, there is a lot of toxic waste being produced. I think we should put all the toxic waste and trash we can fit into a spaceship and send it flying out of our solar system, or at least to Venus, where the sulfuric atmosphere will destroy it.

At 8/9/05 03:55 PM, ReiperX wrote:

At 8/9/05 03:53 PM, Maus wrote: Meth is poor man's coke, and it's way more addictive too. Until they ban the sale of ether in all 50 states, it'll still be cooked. Smells like butt when it's being made, too. x_X

Smells like butt you say Mause.... well um how do you know what butt smells like?

Have you ever been to used bathroom before? If you have well that is what Butt smells like.

I've been to used bathrooms many times and some of them smell quite refreshing.

At 8/10/05 08:50 PM, capn_g wrote: I don't get people who try drugs (espescially hard drugs) in the first place. Have they been living under a rock or something? Or are they just so deluded that they honestly either a) don't believe they will become addicted or b) don't care?

Curiosity. It's natural for people to try new things. Many people that have never been addicted can't comrehend the concept of addiction.

To me, saying to yourself "Hey, why don't I try this highly addictive substance and see if I actually become addicted" is like saying "Hey, why don't I step out in front of this bus to see if it actually kills me."

A seemingly week metaphor. People try drugs for the new experience, people stand infront of busses to die. When someone trys their first hard drug they're not thinking about dieing, they're thinking about getting high

Some things in life don't actually have to be experienced to be understood.

Drugs are not one of those things. It is impossible to understand the thought process you obtain on a deep shroom trip without ever tripping on shrooms.

Final thoughts: Know your limits. User can become abusers in a short period of time. If you have and addictive personality, stay away from methanphetamens.

At 8/17/05 03:46 PM, TCStyle wrote:

At 8/10/05 08:50 PM, capn_g wrote: To me, saying to yourself "Hey, why don't I try this highly addictive substance and see if I actually become addicted" is like saying "Hey, why don't I step out in front of this bus to see if it actually kills me."

A seemingly week metaphor. People try drugs for the new experience, people stand infront of busses to die. When someone trys their first hard drug they're not thinking about dieing, they're thinking about getting high

Its actually a good one, since some people get high off of the feeling of death. They stand and play chicken with a bus or train till the last second for that rush of adrenalin. Probally one of the most dangerous addictions if you do it for an extended period of time, because one of those times you wont get out of the way in time.

Thats a sick way to get an adrenaline rush, but then again, what way to get an adrenaline rush is there without doing someting crazy?