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At 10/23/07 05:03 PM, 3tard wrote: Getting worked up here. If you kept your reserve then you wouldnt be swearing.

No, if I was being dismissive and condescending I would be swearing.

Cunt.

What you are doing here is generalizing about religion.

Maybe you should point out some examples. Although I suppose I know what you mean, since the next bit is a diatribe about how not all religious people are nutjobs.

While I am not a religious person, I am have very good friends who are, and while I dont agree with their metaphysical views, I can't prove them wrong and I can't legitimately bash them for what they believe. While I do not believe in it, I see its value in a society and I defend it for several reasons.

It is a value in a more stupid and less human time; Western society has definitely improved drastically since science became an overriding force - no burning at the stake, torture, cruel and unusual punishment, no slavery - I propose that this is evidence that religion has no place in modern society.

First of all, you aren't holding individual people accountable for their actions. The terrorists aren't religious extremists as much as they are political extremists, so they are doing their bombings in the name of Allah because it is their religion.

When you've got Sunnis bombing Shi'ites over who controls Iraq, that's evidence that it's the religion that is causing the division, not some political reason. One only needs to delve into the history books to see other atrocities committed in the name of religion. Now, you can come back shouting about Communism, but I have yet to see any flaws in a secular or irreligious rational democracy, the kind of which I am proposing.

Also, not all muslims are towel heads with bombs strapped to their chests. One of my friends is an exchange student from Afghanistan and he is a very nice person with amazing intelligence.

Wow, amazing, I know countless intelligent Muslims, where the fuck did I say Muslims were towelheads? Easy to argue against a straw man.

It is, however, the reverence for the holy book that moderate Muslims have that would compel people to actually read the Qu'ran and follow the more extremist scholars when it comes to the matter of the law. The moderates are still reading from the same book, and it's not really a very pretty book when it comes down to it.

I do not think religion sucks for these reasons.

It brings together society in many cases. In America it doesnt because separation of church and state, but America wouldn't even exist as it does today if it werent for religion.

I think there are countless things that bring society together, like national anthems, reverence for freedoms and institutions, football games, television shows, beloved celebrities, history... I think religion is more of a divisive thing than a 'bringing together thing', at least nowadays. At work, or even at school, you might have noticed that some of the 'cliques' are built on race and religion.

It benefits community on a local scale, offering friendship and community service.

Plenty of things could do that, and there'd be something to fill its place if it went.

There are many others.

Also, you aren't taking into account the eastern religions which have never done anything wrong to my knowledge.

There have been wars fought between Muslims and Hindus, and Hindus and Buddhists. And by saying that, you're acknowledging that in your mind Western religions have done something wrong, anyway, or are at least worse than Eastern ones.

So why did you make a place where people can spew ignorance and think theyre better than anyone else?

What ignorance? We're just not the religious apologists you'd rather us be.

At 10/23/07 03:02 PM, chocolate-penguin wrote:

At 10/22/07 02:28 PM, Brick-top wrote: I've just noticed something.

chocolate-penguin asked what was the point in this club. And I've noticed that this club is only alive when assholes come here shuving their beliefs or idea's down our throats.

So I have an answer chocolate-penguin.

It's so tempered assholes like you can piss and moan while thinking you're right about everything.

Oh yes, play victim. I'm just one of those evil guys trying to convert you all to Christianity.

I'm not even religious. All I have said is that I just do not see the point of this crew. I don't get what your huge problem is. You're the one that can't stand people's personal views and therefore has to bitch and moan about it for 40+ pages.

We're bitching? Read the fucking pages, we get hate mail almost weekly. It's even on the first page.

So you can't see the point of this website? So does that mean that we should just shut up and not have a club at all? For the simply reason that we believe in nothing? Dude, GTFO if we want to bitch about religion or talk utter bullshit it's our fucking choice.

My second point was that this thread centers on Christianity, except in broad statements like "all religion is pointless."

LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING!!!

It is an AMERICAN website, with the vast majority of users being AMERICAN and therefor it's going to be centered around christianity because America is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY! For fuck sake I've said that more than once. And you're still generalizing that we're all out to get Chrisitans.

You're calling me ignorant for no real reason. You're the one saying I'm...right about everything? I mean you must have at least been implying it. I didn't say anything about always being right.

Also, I would not want to say "In Allah We Trust" as Islam is the worlds most violent and malevolent religion.

Dude, WE DON'T CARE!!! WE DON'T CARE ABOUT MUSLIMS OR ISLAM!!!!!!!

Why don't you go and talk to this happy chap. he's saying what you're saying but with more scarcasm, satire and entertainment. Or you could just fuck off to the politics forum.

Can i join?

I have been cristian for like 2/3 of my life. Just about 2 years ago i have lost all faith in de gawd. From then on, i am an ATHEIST and i'm proud of it!

So can i join or not?

At 10/24/07 11:31 AM, katfleas wrote: So can i join or not?

It depends. You must complete 3 challenges............

lol look at previous posts.

At 10/24/07 11:36 AM, Brick-top wrote:

At 10/24/07 11:31 AM, katfleas wrote: So can i join or not?

It depends. You must complete 3 challenges............

lol look at previous posts.

Umm, i can't find any post with challenges, can you just tell me?

At 10/24/07 11:40 AM, katfleas wrote: Umm, i can't find any post with challenges, can you just tell me?

At 10/23/07 01:00 PM, Brick-top wrote:

At 10/23/07 12:21 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 10/23/07 06:36 AM, stinkychops wrote: How do I join?

You already have.

You should've fucked around with him

"You must complete 3 challenges...........

This is what he said and what I said.

Now go and complete 3 challenges!

AWW man! Your makin me crazy! I Have no idea what challenges u are talking about, i just can't find them!
Dude, just tell me what to do an i'll do it (i guess...), k?

At 10/24/07 11:53 AM, katfleas wrote: AWW man! Your makin me crazy! I Have no idea what challenges u are talking about, i just can't find them!
Dude, just tell me what to do an i'll do it (i guess...), k?

I'm messing with you man.

SHEER RELIGION THREAD DOMINANCE by me

At 10/24/07 07:55 PM, Earfetish wrote: SHEER RELIGION THREAD DOMINANCE by me

Already posted.

i completely agree with your views, earfetish. i dont dislike anyone solely based on religioin, but i do think its pointless, impossible, and overall, pretty much dumb

From what I've read, I guess I don't need to ask to join, but what the heck, I'll be formal:

Can I join?

I am a diehard Atheist, which makes it hard since my parents are diehard christians. Some of the crap they come up with is amazing.

also: If I am accepteed, do I just put a link into my sig?

At 10/22/07 01:35 PM, Earfetish wrote: how would Christians like it if atheists slipped in 'there is no God' into any of the proclamations, or if 'under God' was replaced by 'more important than any religion' or even 'under no Gods'?

nicely said

At 10/23/07 06:31 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 10/23/07 05:03 PM, 3tard wrote: Getting worked up here. If you kept your reserve then you wouldnt be swearing.

No, if I was being dismissive and condescending I would be swearing.

Cunt.

Swearing is a social crutch for people too unintellegent to use proper words, if you want credibility you won't swear.

Maybe you should point out some examples. Although I suppose I know what you mean, since the next bit is a diatribe about how not all religious people are nutjobs.

drastically since science became an overriding force - no burning at the stake, torture, cruel and unusual punishment, no slavery - I propose that this is evidence that religion has no place in modern society.

Science does not have anything to do with religion except explain the natural phenomenon that a god was believed to be responsible for. Religion is by no means obsolete, and I doubt it will be. People find peace and spiritual tranquility from religion (if theyre doing it right).

When you've got Sunnis bombing Shi'ites over who controls Iraq, that's evidence that it's the religion that is causing the division, not some political reason. One only needs to delve into the history books to see other atrocities committed in the name of religion. Now, you can come back shouting about Communism, but I have yet to see any flaws in a secular or irreligious rational democracy, the kind of which I am proposing.

There is always a political reason to war. The grunts out there fighting believe it is for salvation in the afterlife or whatever, but the higherups are telling them that to push forward their own goals. I hate to sound paranoid, but there is always a hidden agenda behind any action.

Wow, amazing, I know countless intelligent Muslims, where the fuck did I say Muslims were towelheads? Easy to argue against a straw man.

I didn't say you did call them towelheads, I was using a euphemism.

It is, however, the reverence for the holy book that moderate Muslims have that would compel people to actually read the Qu'ran and follow the more extremist scholars when it comes to the matter of the law. The moderates are still reading from the same book, and it's not really a very pretty book when it comes down to it.

I've yet to read it because I havent gotten to middle-eastern language yet (working on mediterranean and eastern language first), but I have heard its beautiful.

I think there are countless things that bring society together, like national anthems, reverence for freedoms and institutions, football games, television shows, beloved celebrities, history... I think religion is more of a divisive thing than a 'bringing together thing', at least nowadays. At work, or even at school, you might have noticed that some of the 'cliques' are built on race and religion.

Cliques are based on everything. People naturally form cliques anyway and they aren't necessarily a bad thing.
Religion also in part brought the pilgrims over here in the first place, and without religion uniting the Greek city-states, Xerxes would have flattened them before Athens brought on their golden age from which we base our way of thought, education, and archetecture.

It benefits community on a local scale, offering friendship and community service.

Plenty of things could do that, and there'd be something to fill its place if it went.

There are many others.

Also, you aren't taking into account the eastern religions which have never done anything wrong to my knowledge.

There have been wars fought between Muslims and Hindus, and Hindus and Buddhists. And by saying that, you're acknowledging that in your mind Western religions have done something wrong, anyway, or are at least worse than Eastern ones.

Between Muslims and Hindus? The really ancient muslims took over the hindu cities because the hindus didn't fight back. The hindus had an ideal called ahimsa, meaning non-violence. The buddhists have a similar principal. Name one war or battle between the Buddhists and the Hindus. Just one. I am saying that the western religions have been abused by the people in charge of them in the past, not that they are bad.

So why did you make a place where people can spew ignorance and think theyre better than anyone else?

What ignorance? We're just not the religious apologists you'd rather us be.

Typical new poster:
:Hi guiz im new to this. I think all religon is pointless I dont kno why its her

I would prefer to have a thread with intellegent philosophical and theosophical discussions from the viewpoint of atheists, rather than a place where new users come to troll and go religion bashing.

Fucking hell the weathers gone cold.

I want the sun back dammit!

Sorry for the double post.

I've just watched 1408 and resident evil: Extinction on the INTERNEZ. I thought they would be cheap flicks that get their 15 minutes of fame and be forgotton.

They're not bad. Both big of a drag in places and slightly boring but I wouldn't feel bad watching them again.

At 10/24/07 09:14 PM, 3tard wrote:

Science does not have anything to do with religion except explain the natural phenomenon that a god was believed to be responsible for.

The only source of Religion-specific religious beliefs literally disagree with the accepted theory of the origin of the universe.

Religion is by no means obsolete, and I doubt it will be.

Consider the fact that religious influence has seen the cutting of funding for many avenues of scientific research such as stem cell therapy.
Also, many religious groups have stopped scientific theories such as evolution from being taught in schools.

There is always a political reason to war. The grunts out there fighting believe it is for salvation in the afterlife or whatever, but the higherups are telling them that to push forward their own goals.

This just demonstrates how lethally passionate some religious followers can become, and how it is so and easy and powerful to exploit this passion.

At 10/26/07 07:07 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 10/24/07 09:14 PM, 3tard wrote:

Science does not have anything to do with religion except explain the natural phenomenon that a god was believed to be responsible for.

The only source of Religion-specific religious beliefs literally disagree with the accepted theory of the origin of the universe.

Religion is by no means obsolete, and I doubt it will be.

Consider the fact that religious influence has seen the cutting of funding for many avenues of scientific research such as stem cell therapy.
Also, many religious groups have stopped scientific theories such as evolution from being taught in schools.

There is always a political reason to war. The grunts out there fighting believe it is for salvation in the afterlife or whatever, but the higherups are telling them that to push forward their own goals.

This just demonstrates how lethally passionate some religious followers can become, and how it is so and easy and powerful to exploit this passion.

First off, science is the study of the physical world, while religion is a way to study the metaphysical (i.e. spiritual) world. I would say that metaphysical philosophy (the use of logic to contemplate the metaphysical world) is the opposite of religion. Science however is in a different (not necessarily better, but different) league.

Also, a good leader is able to rally their people with anything. Hitler took advantage of the economic crisis in Germany to get elected into his totalitarian position, which he used to start WW2, the same way that the leaders of the fighting muslims are taking advantage of the conflict to push forth their own plans.

Guys, guys. Calm down.

Can't we just get along?

Drops granade.

OH SHIT RUN!

I believe that it's bigoted for anyone to claim that they absolutely know that there IS or ISN'T a god of some kind. There's no way to know. There's a finite number of people on the face of the earth who will conceive a finite number of possibilities about the afterlife before the earth is obliterated by either the sun, global climate change, an asteroid, or nuclear war. Yet there is an infinite number of possibilities as to what is (or isn't) beyond this plain of existence. You bigoted slime are as bad as the very religious institutions that you oppose. There's only one way to go; agnosticism. Accept the fact that we have no idea of what is (or isn't) beyond our petty lives and there is no way to prove it either way. If you're really curious, you could attempt to develop a method to discover the truth. You're in my prayers. HA HA.

At 10/26/07 03:13 PM, 3tard wrote:
First off, science is the study of the physical world, while religion is a way to study the metaphysical (i.e. spiritual) world.

How in the fuck can you "study the metaphysical world"? The only alternate world religious people study is one in a book written by man.

At 10/24/07 09:14 PM, 3tard wrote: Swearing is a social crutch for people too unintellegent to use proper words, if you want credibility you won't swear.

Suck my balls. I've already got enough e-credibility as an atheist.

Science does not have anything to do with religion except explain the natural phenomenon that a god was believed to be responsible for.

You mean, both are methods of explaining the world, that contradict.

Religion is by no means obsolete, and I doubt it will be. People find peace and spiritual tranquility from religion (if theyre doing it right).

You mean, the purpose of religion has been marginalised to the point where, if anyone looked at it sensibly, they'd see every religion is as wrong as every other one and everyone who 'needed' religion for 'spiritual tranquillity' would get it from some universal deism.

There is always a political reason to war.

Which is often religiously motivated.

The grunts out there fighting believe it is for salvation in the afterlife or whatever, but the higherups are telling them that to push forward their own goals. I hate to sound paranoid, but there is always a hidden agenda behind any action.

And if religion is being used as a tool, if religion is the easiest thing ever to use to manipulate nice people, then religion is acting negatively.

I didn't say you did call them towelheads, I was using a euphemism.

No you weren't, you don't even know what a euphemism is; you were using a straw man.

I've yet to read it because I havent gotten to middle-eastern language yet (working on mediterranean and eastern language first), but I have heard its beautiful.

I've flicked through an English translation, and it's not. It's about as dull, meandering, and full of pointless rules as the Bible.

Cliques are based on everything. People naturally form cliques anyway and they aren't necessarily a bad thing.

They are if Sunnis are blowing up Shi'ites; even if there's some Sunni overlord and some Shi'ite overlord calling the shots cos they want to get rich, the suicide bombers are all being deeply devout.

Religion also in part brought the pilgrims over here in the first place, and without religion uniting the Greek city-states, Xerxes would have flattened them before Athens brought on their golden age from which we base our way of thought, education, and archetecture.

And that is relevant to the 21st century... how?

It benefits community on a local scale, offering friendship and community service.

Plenty of things could do that, and there'd be something to fill its place if it went.

Between Muslims and Hindus? The really ancient muslims took over the hindu cities because the hindus didn't fight back. The hindus had an ideal called ahimsa, meaning non-violence. The buddhists have a similar principal. Name one war or battle between the Buddhists and the Hindus.

Heard of the Tamil Tigers?

Just one. I am saying that the western religions have been abused by the people in charge of them in the past, not that they are bad.

If it's very easy to abuse an ideology to cause evil, then the ideology should be discarded. Like Eugenics has been.

Hi guiz im new to this. I think all religon is pointless I dont kno why its her

And they seem to stay around for ages, don't they? Get fucked, you're acting like you've not read any of this thread.

I would prefer to have a thread with intellegent philosophical and theosophical discussions from the viewpoint of atheists, rather than a place where new users come to troll and go religion bashing.

Seems more like a place where trolls like yourself can come and do some random atheist bashing.

At 10/27/07 03:38 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 10/26/07 03:13 PM, 3tard wrote:
First off, science is the study of the physical world, while religion is a way to study the metaphysical (i.e. spiritual) world.

How in the fuck can you "study the metaphysical world"? The only alternate world religious people study is one in a book written by man.

Aye, "reading the bible is serious study of the metaphysical world', lol. Real philosophical pondering =/= religion.

...

Samurais were Buddhists too.

At 10/26/07 10:46 PM, PieGraphGlock wrote: I believe that it's bigoted for anyone to claim that they absolutely know that there IS or ISN'T a god of some kind. There's no way to know.

I have accpeted that challenge and here it is.

There's a finite number of people on the face of the earth who will conceive a finite number of possibilities about the afterlife before the earth is obliterated by either the sun, global climate change, an asteroid, or nuclear war.

Don't forget disease as well.

Yet there is an infinite number of possibilities as to what is (or isn't) beyond this plain of existence. You bigoted slime are as bad as the very religious institutions that you oppose.

Wow, wow. Not all Atheists say "They know God doesn't exist"

There's only one way to go; agnosticism. Accept the fact that we have no idea of what is (or isn't) beyond our petty lives and there is no way to prove it either way.

Now that's just preaching.

If you're really curious, you could attempt to develop a method to discover the truth. You're in my prayers. HA HA.

Peace be with you my brother lol

At 10/26/07 10:46 PM, PieGraphGlock wrote: I believe that it's bigoted

Bigoted means intolerant and large headed. Like... hmmm... you.

for anyone to claim that they absolutely know that there IS or ISN'T a god of some kind.

So the only way to not be bigoted is to believe exactly what you believe. I see. Lol.

Yet there is an infinite number of possibilities as to what is (or isn't) beyond this plain of existence.

There are no married bachelors or square circles beyond this plain of existence. Likewise, there is no all-loving God who answers your prayers; it's not being bigoted to dismiss such notions.

You bigoted slime

WE'RE the bigoted slime here?

are as bad as the very religious institutions that you oppose.

How?

There's only one way to go; agnosticism.

lol bigot

Accept the fact that we have no idea of what is (or isn't) beyond our petty lives and there is no way to prove it either way.

Correct. I am an agnostic in that I am 99.999% sure that there is no overriding supernatural intelligence, and 99.99999999999999999% sure that it doesn't care about us. Satisfied?

Burden of proof is on the believer, obviously.

Fuck off you cocksucker.

il join, religion all just sounds completely stupid and pointless, it causes everything bad in this world, and frankly, all the prophets were racist.

"God didn't create Man... Man created God"

At 10/28/07 09:57 AM, FistOfBlood wrote: il join, religion all just sounds completely stupid and pointless, it causes everything bad in this world, and frankly, all the prophets were racist.

"God didn't create Man... Man created God."

"Profile at profile. Age: 14, Male, and Naruto obsessed."
"Begins to laughs his head off."

At 10/28/07 02:20 PM, JakeHero wrote: "Profile at profile. Age: 14, Male, and Naruto obsessed."
"Begins to laughs his head off."

His religious views are better than yours, and he's 14 and Naruto obsessed!

At some earlier time, this cock wrote:

Alot of it describes atheists perfectly. Especially how they're arrogant, whiney assholes that have to inject their prejudices into anything religious.

leave, take your far more flagrant prejudices with you, and don't come back please

In the very short time I've been here I've started to see a pattern which has brought up some issues.

It appears that the only time when this thread is alive is when some 13 year old has a hissy fit and ends up leaving even more pissed off thinking Atheists are aggressive assholes.

So my question is:
What's with all the hatin?

Can't we all just get along and just chat? We could talk about the weather, movies, relationships etc. I'm sure most other clubs do plenty of small talk.

It might relieve some tension.

So AA, how are you?

At 10/28/07 08:05 PM, Brick-top wrote: So AA, how are you?

Went to a party last night, got drunk, and apparently started arguing about religion. I only do it when I'm properly drunk. It's kinda embarrassing, although I was doing it with someone no-one liked and most of the guests were irreligious.