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At 3/9/07 03:44 PM, green-day-fan1 wrote:

At 3/8/07 06:07 PM, RedGlare wrote:

I thought I tried to stop this flamming before. I perfer peace, not flame.

Well you thought wrong, first i'll think you'll find making personal attacks and dissmissing people as "Catholic zealots" is more akin to throwing petrol instead of water to flames.

Second its not flaming its debating. If you prefer peace then calling peole "assface" isn't the best way to go about it.

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At 3/6/07 04:39 PM, green-day-fan1 wrote:
I don't want this to turn into a flame war so I'm just gunna laugh to myself at how piss we both got =).

That was what I meant by "I tied to stop this flame before," but I forgot to reread it and I forgot the apology part of this post, so here it is: I'm sorry if I hurt you in anyway, or offend you/your religion. If we could put this behind us I'd appreciate it.

How did I miss that?

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If believing in God because it hasn't been disproved is what keeps you going, go and take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Spagh etti_Monster

Also, I'd like to hear about this scientific evidence that points to the existence of a higher power. I'm sceptical, but even if this is so, existence of a higher power does not in any way, shape, or form point to Christianity being right.

Because you see, for whatever reason this evidence points to the existence of a deity, there is far more evidence found in science that disproves many of Christianity's teachings. It's not the only religion, and it's not "normal" to be Christian. It's about time this was realised by the Christian majority of America.

Religions and prophets have come and gone since the dawn of humanity. Jesus was by no means the first man to "rise from the dead" having spent his life teaching a certain belief. Some, such as Christiany and Islam, have grown far beyond their competition, and it is these that many today still base their lives around. Which is not to say that they obey the word of the holy book they so vigilantly protect; I challenge any Christian to tell me truly that they have always turned the other cheek, and have never spilt a drop of semen or been jealous of their neighbour.

I am an atheist not because I was raised to be one, not because I am trying to make some rebelious statement, and not because I think it's cool. I am an aetheist because I can see so little evidence of any religion and so much evidence to the contrary. It's a simple, logical decision and one that I think any logical thinking person should also make.

It just means that you can live out your life, for all you can see the only one you will get, without fearing that each action you make is going to be judged and scrutinised by this all-loving creator who is somehow content to send the majority of his children to burn forever in hell.

gasps for breath.

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At 3/8/07 06:07 PM, RedGlare wrote: Then don't get all pissed because i think Atheism is stupid. Besides i thought i made it quite clear i have nothing against atheism if they would actually find Concrete proof that God does not exist and stop pretending that Darwin has done it for them.

In the above post, this is what I was referring to. FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER fool.
Also, I should damn well hope if concrete evidence against God was found you'd have nothing against atheism, if you did you really would be stupid, eh?

Not that I'm implying you're not or anything.

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One more thing.

RedGlare, you have Commuinism splashed all over your profile. Would it surprise you to know that Communism includes a strict policiy of atheism?

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At 3/11/07 12:55 PM, RedZip wrote: One more thing.

RedGlare, you have Commuinism splashed all over your profile. Would it surprise you to know that Communism includes a strict policiy of atheism?

Nice one, man.

Burned...

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At 3/11/07 12:47 PM, RedZip wrote:
Also, I'd like to hear about this scientific evidence that points to the existence of a higher power.

The Cosmological arguement? or howabout its inpossible for life and matter to just exit without somthing before it. Therefore logcaly there must of been somthing outsude of our plain of existence which started of the chain, since everything had to have a smaller more basic stage before it.

I'm sceptical, but even if this is so, existence of a higher power does not in any way, shape, or form point to Christianity being right.

I never said it did. I said i follow Jesus teachings because in my opinion its proberbly the most flexible and open minded moral guideline we have.

Because you see, for whatever reason this evidence points to the existence of a deity, there is far more evidence found in science that disproves many of Christianity's teachings.

What you mean, be peacefull, look after the poor, and treat everyone regardless of differences as if they where your brother. Because thats Christianities teachings.

It's not the only religion, and it's not "normal" to be Christian.

Where did i say it was?

It's about time this was realised by the Christian majority of America.

I'm not American, if anything i dislike indoctrination just as much as mindless rebellion.
thats twice on this page ive seen people blame religion for your american national issues.

Religions and prophets have come and gone since the dawn of humanity. Jesus was by no means the first man to "rise from the dead" having spent his life teaching a certain belief.

Have you never heard "don't judge a book by its cover" are you so ingraitiated by the stories that you don't even bother to look at its message?

Some, such as Christiany and Islam, have grown far beyond their competition, and it is these that many today still base their lives around. Which is not to say that they obey the word of the holy book they so vigilantly protect;

Say what?

I challenge any Christian to tell me truly that they have always turned the other cheek, and have never spilt a drop of semen or been jealous of their neighbour.

Not every Christian believes all of that to be a sin or "evil"

I am an atheist not because I was raised to be one,

So you claim to hate those who mindless follow doctrine, yet admit you yourself where indoctrinated? i was not raised a Christian nor did i rebel i came to the conclusion off a higher power after years of thought, then joined Christianity because of Jesus teachings which i agree with mostly.

not because I am trying to make some rebelious statement,

So? that just means your like the religous bible belt of america you claim to be delusional, you where indoctrinated into atheism the same way most experience religion.

and not because I think it's cool.

Doesn't matter what you think your upbringing made sure of that.

I am an aetheist because I can see so little evidence of any religion

No you said you were brought up an Atheist so you have an atheist point of View which equals indoctrination.

and so much evidence to the contrary.

Member there is but theres a difference between a religion and GOD. an Atheist doesn't believe in God but you seem to base your arguements on religion.

It's a simple, logical decision

No its called indoctrination. Its not Logical atall to go "religion is wrong therefore Goddoes not exist " for it to be a logical decision you would hae to base it on evidence or atleast a theory which goes directly aganst the God entity not Religion.

and one that I think any logical thinking person should also make.

Well this is a perfect example of your a mirror image of what you hate most. "everyone should think like me because i says so" That somes up the one hundred percent in doctrinated mindset, be it religious, atheist or ideaological.

Also for every logical person to make that conclusion which factored in every view point on each scenario it would have to be backed up with a vast amount of clear precise imperical evidence.

It just means that you can live out your life, for all you can see the only one you will get, without fearing that each action you make is going to be judged and scrutinised by this all-loving creator who is somehow content to send the majority of his children to burn forever in hell.

Oooh really enlightened there, yep you sir have convinced me your not as narrowminded as the rest of us.

At 3/11/07 12:55 PM, RedZip wrote: One more thing.

RedGlare, you have Commuinism splashed all over your profile.

Technicaly its Soviet insignia. I like the Hammer and Sickle, And have done for years before i even bothered forming my political opinnions.

Would it surprise you to know that Communism includes a strict policiy of atheism?

Wrong.
Its true Traditional Marxism saw religion as part of the Hegemonic pillar of the Beurgiosie (never could spell that) and that it kept the masses content with a hope of a better afterlife. "It is easier to thread a camel through an eye of a needle then for a rich man to enter heaven" is the qoute used to justify this.

However i look at it another way. If a rich man can't get into Heaven then that must mean it is a sin to be rich(or atleast hoard your riches when theres poor and suffering) so therefore the rich are evil. Now thats an oversimplification but if you look at the new testament there are many examples of Jesus in particular taking this line of thought. For example (i forget the passage title) however their was a time when various rich men donated large sums of money to charity.

Then an old poor woman donates 2 copper coins, the rich sneer but Jesus was humbled saying that the old woman had given more up to help those even less fortunate then herself then the rich men. Or words to that effect. Of course he mean't proportionatly not physically, which is a very similar line of thinking to the Socialist "to each according to his need, to each according to his ability to pay". (give what you can,take what you need)

plus traditionalist Marxism is just one form of Marxism which is just a form of Socialism. By trying to discredit me by saying i folllow somthing i hate you have just shown your own ignorance of the diversity of the left wing.

Besides overall Belief in a God is perfectly execptable with the Socialist Goal of equality Between mankind.

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At 3/15/07 09:25 PM, RedGlare wrote:

At 3/11/07 12:47 PM, RedZip wrote:
Also, I'd like to hear about this scientific evidence that points to the existence of a higher power.

The Cosmological arguement? or howabout its inpossible for life and matter to just exit without somthing before it. Therefore logcaly there must of been somthing outsude of our plain of existence which started of the chain, since everything had to have a smaller more basic stage before it.

Hmmm pretty poor spelling lets fix it up.
The Cosmological arguement? or howabout its impossible for life and matter to just exist without somthing on a lower level to come before it. Therefore logicaly there must of been somthing outside of our plain of existence which started of the chain, ofcreation since everything had to have a smaller more basic stage before it.

Basicaly its evolution in reverse.

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With advances in science, namely the internet, to spread factual information, and for scientists to share findings in academia, namely biologlical information. What will be the impact be on religion in 30 years. or even 5 years? Korea still studies genetics, such as stem cell research. With new cures comming out, and perhaps studying "demon possesions" as being a symptom of having bad nurons (that perhaps haven form properly, due to having a bad draw in the "Genetics lottery". Will the church lose more of it's already changing flock?

With Mormonism, the religion I joined. no Semetic gene markers could be found in any of the aborginal people's DNA. NONE. However, there are slight traces of Mongolid DNA in aborginal populations. This has a very strong impact on Mormons who were considering to quit! That the scentific evidence disproves their religion's claims! (that the Aborginals of Pre Columbian America were decendants of Isrealites).

There is also archelogical evidence that also disproves many Mormon claims!

So with Europe leading the way with science, which would increase the human life expectancy for many countries, will the next 10 years (since Science is evolving), disprove superstition? Especially in 3rd world countries that are recovering from war, or economic troubles or corruption, and their standard of living goes up. And they can afford more resources like the internet. More will become enlightened of course, but please describe?

The Catholic church for example is suffering from shrinking masses, who leave because of emotional traumas, sexual abuse, churches were closed, but they tend to stay alive in economically disadvantaged places. Like Africa or Asia. But with more people more preoocupied and have access to contradicting information, as these places grow more ecnomically stable. Will this be one of the nails in the coffin of Christianity?

I think with more cures and reasonable explinations why children may get sick, and thus cured, people would rely less on faith based healing. esepcially once we master DNA, and can begin to rewire our heads. Instead of relying on Fung Shui. or explaining that accupuncture is not about water Chi, and fire Chi and other silly Chi, but just nureal pathways blocked with toxins, or stress, or something, thus blocking a certain signal.

Or instead of praying to the clouds for rain, use engineering to pipe water from water sources or something. Like lots of money used to donate to churches, could be used on engineering projects that could bring clean water for people in war torn Africa or somewhere. or Leperosy medication, so we can contain this disease, instead of treating infected people as dirty sinners.

I'm very excited for the next 10 years. Maybe life expectancy will jump to 90! compared to 45 in the early 1907?

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At 4/15/07 11:21 PM, hongkongexpress wrote: With advances in science, namely the internet, to spread factual information, and for scientists to share findings in academia, namely biologlical information. What will be the impact be on religion in 30 years. or even 5 years? Korea still studies genetics,

So do most countries.

such as stem cell research. With new cures comming out, and perhaps studying
"demon possesions"

Demon posseions? what studies are these Koreans up to?

as being a symptom of having bad nurons (that perhaps haven form properly, due to having a bad draw in the "Genetics lottery".

Oh so stress isn't a factor then? or depression? or i need for attention? or severe post trauma? Or chemical posioning?

Will the church lose more of it's already changing flock?

I'll think you'll find the number of religions is on the rise sonny.

With Mormonism, the religion I joined. no Semetic gene markers could be found in any of the aborginal people's DNA. NONE. However, there are slight traces of Mongolid DNA in aborginal populations. This has a very strong impact on Mormons who were considering to quit! That the scentific evidence disproves their religion's claims! (that the Aborginals of Pre Columbian America were decendants of Isrealites).

You know geneticly every man is related to one African man and all women are related to same African women, The geneticists who discovered this named the gene Adam and Gene Eve.

So techniquely the Native american population did emigrate. But from Russia not Israel.

There is also archelogical evidence that also disproves many Mormon claims!

Mormons aren't the only religion out there you know.

So with Europe leading the way with science, which would increase the human life expectancy for many countries,

Which is a badthing and will lead to a higher retirement age and overcrowding.

will the next 10 years (since Science is evolving), disprove superstition?

No idiot it never will. In my country its considered goodluck on a journey to say "good day magpie" when seeing one tc. There part of customs etc.

Especially in 3rd world countries that are recovering from war, or economic troubles or corruption, and their standard of living goes up.

Not with third world debt,corrupt Dictatorships, unfair trade laws and corporate greed they won't.

And they can afford more resources like the internet. More will become enlightened of course, but please describe?

How about you please describe where you got these piss poor ideas from?

The Catholic church for example is suffering from shrinking masses, who leave because of emotional traumas, sexual abuse,

How many cases of sexual abuse by priests are there out of what is 500 million Catholics?

churches were closed, but they tend to stay alive in economically disadvantaged places. Like Africa or Asia.

What are you moronic? the capitol of Catholicism is Western Europe and the Med.

But with more people more preoocupied and have access to contradicting information,

as these places grow more ecnomically stable.

The worlds getting poorer not richer.

Will this be one of the nails in the coffin of Christianity?

Coffin? what Coffin? Christianity is one of the worlds biggest most practicised religions and still going strong. So me information that contradicts the concept of "God" show me these economicly stable third world country that are leaving the church to go to and science lecture.

I think with more cures and reasonable explinations why children may get sick, and thus cured, people would rely less on faith based healing.

Who relies on faith based healing? this isn't A.D 1357.

epcially once we master DNA,

Such reserch regarding the human genome is banned.

and an begin to rewire our heads.

So your saying yourfavouring physical brainwashing? idiot.

Instead of relying on Fung Shui.

Fung Shei is a post modern furniture fad.

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Or instead of praying to the clouds for rain, use engineering to pipe water from water sources or something.

Are you seriously suggesting that Prayer is preventing and end to drought?

Like lots of money used to donate to churches, could be used on engineering projects that could bring clean water for people in war torn Africa or somewhere.

Church donates vast sums of money to the Third world. Ever hear of Christian Aid week or CAFOD, Or the Salvation Army? Or Hospices they were started by Christians,

or Leperosy medication, so we can contain this disease, instead of treating infected people as dirty sinners.

Leoprosy was never seen as a sin it was seen as contagious so they where quarantined. Often the only people to visit plaque victims where Monks or Clergy.

I'm very excited for the next 10 years. Maybe life expectancy will jump to 90! compared to 45 in the early 1907?

Which is unbeliveably bad, i mean how can you not see the negative of such thing?

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While I don't agree with your method of persuasion, Red, I do concede to your logical analysis. Religion really isn't going anywhere. Numbers may fluctuate, but, on average, they should remain the same. Science can't prove or disprove religion based on faith. Creationism and geo-centric theory, those are parts of a religion that claims to be based on science. Lots of Christians believe in evolution and I don't know too many people on the fucking planet that think the solar system revolves around it. The point I'm making is this: Just because science finds things that contradict some of the things in religion, doesn't mean religion is going away. Most people that are religious are religious because of the teachings of their religion. Religion can offer good things to those that want them. I'm an atheist. I believe that people should come to their own conclusions when it comes to religion. That's what I did. I was raised as a Baptist, but after some study on my own, I decided that religion wasn't for me and I concluded that there is no god. Just because I think that doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks that. And I wouldn't want them to. I fucking hate joiners. They see where most of the people go, so they follow, never once analyzing the issues and consequences surrounding their actions. It is wholly naive to think that religion will be wiped out completely, especially within the next few decades.

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Hey guys. It's been a while since I've last come here. Check out what the Wikipedia article of the day is! Link to main page

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do you athiests belive in anything? The whole idea of an athiest army just reaks of arrogance. Your no better than the synidcate scum that terrorizes newgrounds.

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I'm not really interested in joining but I just thought I'd leave a comment. I think people, under the name of religion get into war because as followers they tend to not stand up for the love and peace the religions promote, by turning away from their religion and resorting to human instincts. And somewhere in the mix they keep on bringing up the name of God to make whatever they do seem holy. This I think has lead to disbelief. Catholics are not the only Christians. Even though they are the majority, their teachings, practices and views arent held by all Christians.

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At 6/8/07 08:05 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: do you athiests belive in anything? The whole idea of an athiest army just reaks of arrogance. Your no better than the synidcate scum that terrorizes newgrounds.

you are an idiot

ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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At 6/8/07 08:05 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: do you athiests belive in anything? The whole idea of an athiest army just reaks of arrogance. Your no better than the synidcate scum that terrorizes newgrounds.

Onward christian soldiers.... marching of to waaar!

Ring a bell?

The crusades?

Hmmmm....?

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At 6/10/07 08:36 AM, DarkDepts wrote:

At 6/8/07 08:05 PM, AshfordGivens wrote:

Onward christian soldiers.... marching of to waaar!

Ring a bell?

The crusades?

Hmmmm....?

March forth comrades!

Remember anything?

The USSR

Hmmm?

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Re: I'm the idiot?

At 6/10/07 10:29 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: Your the stupid atheist here and your not only gambling with your soul but the souls of others.

I'm not taking any chances with my soul. and i make it to the afterlife.

I'll be the one laughing while you and your atheist army burn in hell.

lol atheist burger with fries.

you been pwned

-AshfordGivens

Jeez. Convincing. I didn't bother responding intelligently to this PM, as I'm not sure if Ashford is an alt account and I don't want to waste time telling one person who doesn't care and wont listen why they're wrong.

I've always thought that religious people are playing with their souls a lot more, because I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, but they are willing to throw their soul into some arbitary moral equation that God does, their willingness apparent every time they acknowledge their religion. I am not taking any chances with my soul, because I don't believe in any of it. And if Ashford is trying to use Pascal's wager, God wouldn't want me to pretend to believe in him because I'm afraid of Hell, nor do I believe things because I fear the consequences but because I care about the truth. True religious belief shows a willingness to play dice with the fate of your soul; despite how convinced you are that you'll go to Heaven for accepting Jesus, there are people who have read the Bible far harder than you who reckon you need to do a whole lot more.

Like, as if morality is that clear cut that it even makes sense, or as if it's really that fair to punish people with severe autism or whatever because they don't know how to act towards other people, or as if the morals from the Bible matter at all, as if what consentual people do with their genitals has any moral bearing on them - garbage.

And we know what happens when we die - we know enough about the human body to know that the brain is where the conciousness is; we even know enough to know that if you damage certain parts then memories or personality or whatever is altered, and we know that when blood stops going to the brain it dies. We also know that our brains are very similar to a dog's brain or a monkey's brain or a dinosaur's brain, and we don't assume they have a Heaven. Otherwise Hell would be crawling with dinosaurs and alligators and mosquitos, and you can't actually call those creatures 'immoral', they're just 'surviving'. Mosquitos don't think, "have I been a good mosquito today," or, "I could've been a better mosquito," they just live; society is what imposes such abstract concepts as complex morality upon us. Indeed, every animal pack has some kind of integral 'moral code'.

God is a dick if he knows all that was and will ever be, if he created Ted Bundy's personality and sociopathy and knew he'd cause a lot of grief on Earth to many families and would then burn in Hell for all eternity.

And then there's the constant argument against any religion which is, how do you know the Hindus aren't right, and every time you go to Church or praise Jesus, God gets a little more pissed off?

Ashfordgivens is retarded. As is religion.

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Not to sound too cocky, either, but if Ashfordgivens is actually one year older than me, it's very obvious who is, and always will be, stupider.

But I've always thought he appeared at a good time for the SS, and now he's in this thread making retarded flames, I think he's an alt. Like, "woooh, aren't I funny trying to wind up atheists lol atheists on newgrounds are all 13-year-old rebel idiots, I think, because I'm a Christian."

The religious do not believe in rational proof for God, they just believe that rational disproof does not exist, and therefore they have room to believe. And they believe because they believe. There are all sorts of sociological and psychological explanations for why one would want to believe in God.

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At 6/8/07 08:05 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: do you athiests belive in anything? The whole idea of an athiest army just reaks of arrogance. Your no better than the synidcate scum that terrorizes newgrounds.

*randomly jumps into topic*

How so? I don't see the arrogance in it. Atheism is just the absence of religion. If people want to be unified and discuss the reasons and purpose of being this way, let them. I think organization of Atheists is a good idea, considering Atheism is certainly not accepted generally among other groups of people. Saying your Atheist is these days like admitting you have some spreadable disease.

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At 6/11/07 11:41 AM, Earfetish wrote: Not to sound too cocky, either, but if Ashfordgivens is actually one year older than me, it's very obvious who is, and always will be, stupider.

You do sound a bit cocky. my extra year on this planet makes me automaticlly smarter than you.

But I've always thought he appeared at a good time for the SS, and now he's in this thread making retarded flames, I think he's an alt. Like, "woooh, aren't I funny trying to wind up atheists lol atheists on newgrounds are all 13-year-old rebel idiots, I think, because I'm a Christian."

I also believe in all the other religions too such as shinto , buddism and islam. Just so i'm covered in the after life.

The religious do not believe in rational proof for God, they just believe that rational disproof does not exist, and therefore they have room to believe. And they believe because they believe. There are all sorts of sociological and psychological explanations for why one would want to believe in God.

Next you'll tell me star syndicate movies are entertaining. you make me sick. Your syndicate atheist rat scum.

You been pwned again.

-AshfordGivens

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mr fetish check your next PM. I'll leave you guys alone from now but don't say i didn't warn you guys about playing with fire.

as for the star syndicate. they can play with fire all they want. I don't give a fuck. I wish em death for subjecting newgrounds to such shitty movies.

peace out

-ashfordGivens

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At 6/11/07 03:42 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: You do sound a bit cocky. my extra year on this planet makes me automaticlly smarter than you.

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I also believe in all the other religions too such as shinto , buddism and islam. Just so i'm covered in the after life.

Yeah definitely an alt.

btw, can I join? My philosophical position is an intricate balance of agnosticism and atheism, so I think I qualify. I've always said a healthy dose of scepticism keeps the brain oiled, particularly regarding religion.

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No, it was a joke jackass. I'm a good chirstain boy but i wanna make sure i'm covered in the after life just in case i might be wrong.

I only wanna make my god happy because i love that guy very much.

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My path to god is too complex for any of you to understand. whats wrong with believing in all the religions at once just to be safe?

Theres nothing in the bible that says you can't do that.

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If God is any kind of God he doesn't want you perverting many religions, picking the bits you like out of every religion you can just because you like how they sound - he'd view that as a great disrespect. All of the Bible is correct and none of it is about meditation or Vishnu or Mohammed, and if any of those guys are right the rest are not compatible.

I know that loads of people have a pick-and-mix attitude to religion, but the word for it is heresy.

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God wouldn't be such an ass just because i wanna make sure i got the right path to my lord.

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At 6/11/07 08:02 PM, AshfordGivens wrote: God wouldn't be such an ass just because i wanna make sure i got the right path to my lord.

and so what i take a few detours on my path to god?

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not to sound dumb or anything but whats heresy?