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Hey Guys, i'm an Atheist too, and i kinda wanted somewhere that I can fit in. Then i found this!

EarFetish, although you're name's kinda creepy, i love that you've gone to the effort of supporting our beliefs. Thank you!!!
Also, can I join, because i don't know how exactly

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

"Millions of people have been killed by atheism, the entire 20th century was fought because of atheism, Stalin and Mao respectively have directly killed more than 90 million people, and where not even counting the nazis.

Hitler was an active member of paganism. An ancient religion

"Millions of people have been killed by atheism"

"Hitler was an active member of paganism. An ancient religion"

Classic.

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

I facepalmed so hard my hand ripped out the back of my skull.
Why do people insist hitler was an atheist yet it's very clear he was christian?

At 5/22/11 03:40 PM, 1916 wrote: I received this message from Lumber-Jax12, and I had to share it with you all.

I can top that. This little gem came off my youtube channel:

"Accepting EVIL EVIL-utionism is an example of an open mind that lets rubbish in since it is purely metaphysical and pseudoscience thereby. However, a superior being, God, that created all things requires and open mind that examines the evidence of the created world without being able to witness the creative act or God in%uFEFF action. This requires a belief in God's word which has been handed down by eyewitnesses and his spokespersons."

Before you ask, this isn't a troll. This asshole ACTUALLY believes it.

I didn't think Jesus could've done it until I saw this thread's resurrection.

At 5/29/11 02:18 PM, Earfetish wrote: I didn't think Jesus could've done it until I saw this thread's resurrection.

Haven't you been saying that for about 4 years?

Since you all seemed to have fun with the first one, here, have a few more. Straight from the head of Lumber-Jax12.

At 5/21/11 7:08 PM, 1916 wrote

No, millions of people have not been killed by atheism, nor have wars been fought because of it. You're a fool, the people were killed, and the wars started, by atheists. Atheists do not kill for atheism because atheism has nothing for which they must kill for. Stalin and Mao are psychopaths first, atheists second.

This is just idiocy, I was going to respond to you whole post, but after reading this I now know you're just as zealous about atheism as you think we are with religion. You are also ignorant if you think any of the major Religion teaches the death of thousands you are mistaken. The catholic church teaches to love one another. "Love your enemies" ring a bell? Ofourse not why would you, its all mind control, Im not responding to your next reply. Your an ignorant and blatant troll.

Even Islam condemns death, but you only buy into what CNN or Dawkins tells you is true, the religion is sound, its all about how people in power use to manipulate the masses. I also think its great you feel that communism isn't atheistic and isn't responsible for the deaths of millions.

Have fun in denial.

At 5 hours ago, 1916 wrote

P.S. I've posted your first message to me in the Atheist Army.

I don't even know or care what that is. Your last post clearly saw how angry and less concise you were.

At 7 hours ago, 1916 wrote:

At 5/22/11 9:29 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote:

At 5 hours ago, 1916 wrote: P.S. I've posted your first message to me in the Atheist Army.

I don't even know or care what that is. Your last post clearly saw how angry and less concise you were.

It's a club full of people far more intelligent than you.

O child, I am far from angry. You didn't even give a proper response to the first time, am I expected to continue putting everything out there in hopes you'll stop acting like you're autistic? I don't think so, and you've done it again, you've ignored my entire other post.

hahahha, you mean the same thread where no-on responded to your post.

Classic Macgruber.

Fuck, my copypaste failed a bit there. I'm so ashamed, I don't think I can go on...

This thread, it's like a flamethrower next to a gasoline company.

At 5/29/11 11:48 PM, 1916 wrote: Since you all seemed to have fun with the first one, here, have a few more. Straight from the head of Lumber-Jax12.

I think you two are getting out of hand.

1916 and Lumberjax are both fucking idiots, don't fucking do that shit and link it back to this thread, grow the fuck up, you're just internet arguing about religion

if you can't post itt sensibly then don't fucking post in it

So uh...
Can I join??

1916 is now banned from this club.

For this whole thread basically but his comment to me was the icing. We really don't need people like that here. I'd much prefer it was a dead thread than it to be full of idiotic flames.

At 6/20/11 01:59 PM, thetoker wrote: So uh...
Can I join??

And yes, read the first page.

The Christian God is right because the Christian holy book says so.

Harry Potter is also right.

I tried talking to my christian friend about scientology and other religions how they are linked to homophobia and well..I didn't come out as the victor.

At 6/21/11 03:27 PM, Earfetish wrote: The Christian God is right because the Christian holy book says so.

Harry Potter is also right.

I really hope I don't start something that leads to internet arguing techniques and/or trolling, but isn't it circular logic to say that God wrote the Bible, and to use the Bible as evidence for Gods existence?

"How do you know God exists?"
"I would cite the Bible as evidence of that."
"Who wrote the Bible?"
"God."
"..."

I consider myself to be agnostic, in the fact that I believe there is SOME sort of God, or whatever you choose to call it, but beyond that, I follow no religion. I believe in evolution, and I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible. Perhaps God created the universe and just let things take their course, and so the big bang and evolution took place.

I'm not sure what I believe as far as the afterlife. I want to believe that there is one, but I think that is just fear talking. I see no reason for an afterlife to exist, but I see no reason for one to not exist either.

I'm just confused as fuck, I suppose. Just ignore my ramblings, I was just wondering aloud what any of you thought about my beliefs.

If you're curious, I was raised Catholic, but finding my sexuality to be....unsatisfactory to the standards I'm held at......shattered that belief.

At 6/23/11 12:03 AM, Scarface wrote: I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible.

What's wrong with the big bang theory?

As far as maybe beliving in some kind of distant trigger god but not saying he cares about us, well it's pretty far from religion but I don't know why you'd find it necessary to believe that either.

I see no reason for an afterlife to exist, but I see no reason for one to not exist either.

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few reasons why it wouldn't, If you believe fully in evolution then we're evolved mammals. Where does the line get drawn as to entry for 'the afterlife', whatever this place would consist of? Neanderthal man? Early hominids? Rats? Sea sponges? Carrots?

Another little issue is that we know quite a bit about the brain and death and how, when you die, your braincells die, and if they revive you after a while then every part of 'you' is gone for good and you're basically a body with none of what made you 'you' still there.

We also know that if someone loses the right bit of brain matter then they will lose things like memory (including of loved ones that you allegedly see in the afterlife), or personality, or sense of morality, or creative instinct, or anything that, or maybe a combination of all of them if their brain gets totally fucked over.

What, exactly, goes to the afterlife? It seems like everything that makes me 'me' is hopelessly stuck here in the physical realms, bound to earth, and when I die, I decompose. Along with anything that was in me. Just like a jellyfish.

I'm just confused as fuck, I suppose. Just ignore my ramblings, I was just wondering aloud what any of you thought about my beliefs.

I've no problem with them as far as seeing them as particulaly illogical or harmful to society but I'm sure you came in here to be challenged.

If you're curious, I was raised Catholic, but finding my sexuality to be....unsatisfactory to the standards I'm held at......shattered that belief.

Catholicism I see as particularly illogical and harmful to society.

Can I ask what you mean by this? It's the internet, you may as well tell the entire world why you disengaged with the church.

At 6/21/11 03:27 PM, Earfetish wrote: The Christian God is right because the Christian holy book says so.

I hate when people use circular reasoning and the appeal to authority to try to win arguments; it is obviously illogical and makes you look like a fool in the presence of others. If your religion can withstand scrutiny, then it shouldn't need to rely on logical fallacies(Pathetically so) in order to justify itself. Logical fallacies are ERRORS IN REASONING AND LOGIC. That's a fact.

At 6/23/11 01:43 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 6/23/11 12:03 AM, Scarface wrote: I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible.

What's wrong with the big bang theory?

Nothing at all. There's no proof, though. Not that there's any proof of God, either.

As far as maybe beliving in some kind of distant trigger god but not saying he cares about us, well it's pretty far from religion but I don't know why you'd find it necessary to believe that either.

I see no reason for an afterlife to exist, but I see no reason for one to not exist either.

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few reasons why it wouldn't, If you believe fully in evolution then we're evolved mammals. Where does the line get drawn as to entry for 'the afterlife', whatever this place would consist of? Neanderthal man? Early hominids? Rats? Sea sponges? Carrots?

I suppose everything that lived would be in this afterlife. I don't know. Perhaps there isn't one. Again, my fear of nothingness has me wishing for some sort of afterlife.

Another little issue is that we know quite a bit about the brain and death and how, when you die, your braincells die, and if they revive you after a while then every part of 'you' is gone for good and you're basically a body with none of what made you 'you' still there.

We also know that if someone loses the right bit of brain matter then they will lose things like memory (including of loved ones that you allegedly see in the afterlife), or personality, or sense of morality, or creative instinct, or anything that, or maybe a combination of all of them if their brain gets totally fucked over.

What, exactly, goes to the afterlife? It seems like everything that makes me 'me' is hopelessly stuck here in the physical realms, bound to earth, and when I die, I decompose. Along with anything that was in me. Just like a jellyfish.

Supposedly, in the afterlife, your "soul" retains all these memories, feelings, personality, morality, and everything that made you 'you'. Do we really have souls? Do animals? Do plants? Who the hell knows. I hope we do, for the sake of continuous consciousness.

I'm just confused as fuck, I suppose. Just ignore my ramblings, I was just wondering aloud what any of you thought about my beliefs.

I've no problem with them as far as seeing them as particulaly illogical or harmful to society but I'm sure you came in here to be challenged.

No, not at all, I didn't think anything I said was challengeable, but here you are. I just wanted to discuss what other people believed, and if at all possible, leave the thread with a clearer perspective on what I believe. I was just sharing what I thought, and wondering what others wished to share with me.

If you're curious, I was raised Catholic, but finding my sexuality to be....unsatisfactory to the standards I'm held at......shattered that belief.

Catholicism I see as particularly illogical and harmful to society.

Can I ask what you mean by this? It's the internet, you may as well tell the entire world why you disengaged with the church.

I'm bisexual, and that's frowned upon by the Catholic church, which somewhat turned me off of religion, along with the fact that none of it really made sense to me. Perhaps I'm just too skeptical to be a Christian.

At 6/23/11 03:35 PM, Scarface wrote: Nothing at all. There's no proof, though. Not that there's any proof of God, either.

There's quite a lot of 'proof' about the big bang. Google 'evidence for the big bang'. Maybe a youtube video would be less boring.

On that topic, it's impossible to 'prove' that you're not having a hallucination in a mental hospital at the moment, or that our reality wasn't created four minutes ago by a beetle in another dimension daydreaming, but we know, really, that it's evidence that matters and you're not going to pay those ideas any credence. There's a lot of evidence for the big bang, and for the entire atheistic worldview really, not that atheist is synonymous with belief that the universe started as a singularity.

I suppose everything that lived would be in this afterlife. I don't know. Perhaps there isn't one. Again, my fear of nothingness has me wishing for some sort of afterlife.

It sounds like you know as a rational person that it's not actually there, but you still want to believe it. Death isn't something you should worry about. It gives life meaning. If there was an eternity afterwards it would be pointless doing anything with your decades here other than working for eternity.

However, I think my worldview leads to a greater appreciation about the value of moments and life as an experience. I made a nice thread about this once.

Can I ask what you mean by this? It's the internet, you may as well tell the entire world why you disengaged with the church.

I'm bisexual, and that's frowned upon by the Catholic church, which somewhat turned me off of religion, along with the fact that none of it really made sense to me. Perhaps I'm just too skeptical to be a Christian.

Yes. I think what matters most is that people have the ability to look at how a religious belief affects the world objectively and be able to condemn it if necessary, and for this not to be a big deal.

At 6/23/11 03:59 PM, Earfetish wrote: On that topic, it's impossible to 'prove' that you're not having a hallucination in a mental hospital at the moment, or that our reality wasn't created four minutes ago by a beetle in another dimension daydreaming, but we know, really, that it's evidence that matters and you're not going to pay those ideas any credence. There's a lot of evidence for the big bang, and for the entire atheistic worldview really, not that atheist is synonymous with belief that the universe started as a singularity.

I suppose everything that lived would be in this afterlife. I don't know. Perhaps there isn't one. Again, my fear of nothingness has me wishing for some sort of afterlife.

It sounds like you know as a rational person that it's not actually there, but you still want to believe it. Death isn't something you should worry about. It gives life meaning. If there was an eternity afterwards it would be pointless doing anything with your decades here other than working for eternity.

I was too stupid to understand most of the video lol, but a lot did make sense. I guess now I realize why so many people believe in it.

On a side note, I was just wondering, not trying to prove or disprove anything, but; is there any evidence that God doesn't exist, or any proof?

Yes. I think what matters most is that people have the ability to look at how a religious belief affects the world objectively and be able to condemn it if necessary, and for this not to be a big deal.

I just hate the whole "I"m right and everyone else is wrong" attitude most religions have.

At 6/21/11 01:25 PM, Earfetish wrote: 1916 is now banned from this club.

I've done nothing to warrant such action.

At 6/21/11 01:27 PM, Earfetish wrote: For this whole thread basically but his comment to me was the icing. We really don't need people like that here. I'd much prefer it was a dead thread than it to be full of idiotic flames.

I'm so sorry I didn't take too kindly to someone calling me a fucking idiot based on what you assume the private messages that we exchanged contained. I gave you the benefit of the doubt by calling you a troll, the alternative is raving mad idiot.

I didn't post his messages to insult him, in fact I tried my hardest not to. I posted them for humour, because they are so fucking ridiculous. And I've not been flaming anyone in this thread, I only did that to you because you instigated it. It's quite hypocritical to ban me because I didn't stand back and take your moronic insults.

At 6/23/11 01:43 PM, Earfetish wrote:

At 6/23/11 12:03 AM, Scarface wrote: I don't necessarily believe in the big bang theory, but I think it's plausible.

What's wrong with the big bang theory?

Well, there's the obvious that fundamental scientific theories are always shifting around and changing to fit the observation better. big Bang is still a lot of speculation and modelling. But i don't think this discussion needs to be played hard, because it doesn't really invalidate the theory, if you allow theories to reshape constantly. (I've lost track lately, do we now still say oscillating universe or Big Freeze or whatever?)

But I do think we often tend to take science for granted. we think, because we have some formulae and some observations that the scientific path is the obvious one and believing in an entity setting everything in motion is plain stupid. But I wonder if everyone here can grasp abstract theories as evident? I'm still struggling with concepts as relativity. You can throw all the theory and formulas at me, but I still wouldn't grasp the idea that if i move, time is slower and lengths become longer or shorter. I live my daily life not getting in touch with that. Or all the things about quantum theory and collapse of the wave function. Can you explain how it is that measurement is always indetermined until it occurs? That while an electron moves, it doesn't have any defined speed until we measure it? Or that measuring 1 electron automatically pushes another in a state, whereas you didn't do anything with it directly (EPR paradox). You can throw any amount of theory at this and talk about non-local hidden variables and whatever the scientific response is, I would have a hard time to even begin to fully understand it. Even the concept of infinity is for us finite beings quasi impossible to understand. We never see infinity in our daily experiences and you might even wonder whether infinity is real, or if it's just a concept we conjured up to make the maths work.

When it comes to the Big Bang, try to make good sense of the idea that some point exploded and that with all that time and space came to existence, or expanded. Even with vulgarised litterature it's easier to accept that some entity exists that magicked everything into existence. The science is not solid, but it's easier to conceptualise.

Now, not that this implies that a deity should exist, but just that it is not so stupid that people choose the existence of a deity over abstract theories. Overall, we tend to take science for granted way too easily.

random post that does not contribute to anything.

i used to be an agnostic. now i think i am an atheist because i believe in science more than anything else. the recent advancement in physics has led me to this thinking. we used to attribute things we cannot explain to the work of god, but as time evolves, we begin to discover more and more laws to explain those things, and it is very likely that humans will continue to make numerous scientific discoveries in the future. the pope once said that we cannot examine what was going on at the time of big bang because god will never allow us to, even with the general theory of relativity because of the singulary in space time that is not due to improper choice of coordiantes, but a real one. but there is evidence that by combining quantum field theory and general relativity, we can tell what's going on, and eventually discover the singulary is nothing more mysterious than the south pole of a sphere.

i think that our future has already been determined since the beginning of time. it just happens that it is impossible for us to predict our future because our knowledge is finite, resources are finite, and time is continous. there is no way of proving the theory though. just a belief. whether free will exists may remain a foverer mystery.

/useless post.

I'm curious--Does this club willingly admit agnostics? Not to say that I am one--I am an unabashed atheist--I just wonder.

Can I join? in return for admittance I can offer this interesting story :P

I got sick of the door-knockers trying to convert me so i decided that the next time they visited me, instead of instantly dismissing them, i would invite them in for coffee and 'light discussion'. She was kind of a sweet lady so i was nice to her and we debated religion. Didn't blow her out of the water right off the bat. instead, I made her like me and think she was somehow getting through to me. Anyway, after around the fourth visit I decided it was my turn to do the converting. After all, if they have the right to try convert me I have every right to do the same to them. The next time she visited we sat and had coffee, and I systematically broke down every argument she presented to me and presented my own logic and reason as to why she was wrong. After about an hour of debating, she renounced her god in my very living room!

I managed to break a Jehova's witness and I am proud lmao