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At 9/26/09 12:03 AM, HighJack wrote:

At 9/13/09 06:53 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: I can infer this because according to the Bible,

That's where I stopped reading. It is illogical to treat the Bible as fact or fiction.

So you ignored my entire post because you don't agree with the premise? Really now? Do you treat it as fact or fiction? I know you believe, and I also know that you said the following:

At 9/7/09 04:24 PM, HighJack wrote:

That's just the thing, you won't die, you'll burn forever.

So how do you treat it?

Interesting.

I believe that God is merely a ramification of the human mind. I believe that any Representation of all religions are simply idealisms created for man to have something to believe in. A something that is greater than ordinary man, to give people the reason to stride for greater things. Religion is based on the human need for meaning, or purpose in life. these needs for purpose, or reason to live, or even to continue living, are what drive the very foundations of Religion. Even still, Society would not be able to function without religion of some kind. There may be those who believe that Religion is pointless, and can be cast out along with their ideals, but in theory, it is a very important part of society.

Imagine the scenario of a Pick pocket. He owns no car, house, or wife or children, and fears no punishment by a higher being. So without much to live for, he kills someone whom he has despised. this escalates and he kills one more, followed by many others until he eventually dies. all because he believed that after he died he would just rot in the ground with the bugs,rather than suffer an eternity in Hell. There might even be others who will follow in this thief's footsteps, those who throw off the veils of Religion and Do as they please.

Now, I'm not implying that all humans are bloodthirsty animals without the supervision of a god, but I'm saying that Religion has often been the mental outline of "Good" and "Evil"

Religion is not a plague upon society , or a senseless hoax, but merely a mental guideline that has lead many people to do "Good" things in the eyes of God, or Allah, or even Zeus. God is not a floating man on a cloud that shoots lighting at those who oppose him, but an image created by humans, and seen in the eyes of humans that drives people to do better things.

Those who have decided that God does not exist, those who have found refuge in one's own mind, have accomplished a great task. These people are able to sustain ones own actions based on what they believe as a human being, rather than base them on the judgment of a "Greater being". They think in the present, rather than what lies ahead for them. They do not worry about what lies beyond the grave, but merely worry about what happens before it.

This is a truly Magnificent accomplishment. But it does not merit the attempted conversion of those who have found faith in a religion. You should not try to change the beliefs of others simply because you believe differently. There will never be a point where everyones beliefs are unified. People are Diverse, and so Is religion. People whom have found religion are content. And people who have chosen not to believe are content as well. There should be no attempt to change this.

But even with all that being said, there is one religion in particular that is most interesting. Buddhism is an exception to everything I've said. Buddhism is more a Philosophy, than it is a religion. This Religion's Meaning is to find inner peace with ones self, and ultimately archive Nirvana. This probably is the one religion that makes the most sense.

With that being said, I Bid you a due.

Just in case you would want to know, it's adieu. French for good bye. Honestly though, thank you.

At 9/26/09 12:11 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: So you ignored my entire post because you don't agree with the premise? Really now? Do you treat it as fact or fiction? I know you believe, and I also know that you said the following:

I treat the Bible as a book, because there is no way to tell if it is indeed the word of God or not.

At 9/7/09 04:24 PM, HighJack wrote:

That's just the thing, you won't die, you'll burn forever.

So how do you treat it?

That was a scenario.

At 9/26/09 04:20 PM, TheFreedMan wrote: Stuff.

Religion is the only logical way to explain the Universe's existence.

So wait, HighJack, what exactly DO you believe?

At 9/27/09 01:17 PM, HighJack wrote:

At 9/26/09 04:20 PM, TheFreedMan wrote: Stuff.

Religion is the only logical way to explain the Universe's existence.

Yeah, because the conclusion you've come to is the only one that could possibly be right.

At 9/26/09 04:20 PM, TheFreedMan wrote: I believe that God is merely a ramification of the human mind. I believe that any Representation of all religions are simply idealisms created for man to have something to believe in. A something that is greater than ordinary man, to give people the reason to stride for greater things. Religion is based on the human need for meaning, or purpose in life. these needs for purpose, or reason to live, or even to continue living, are what drive the very foundations of Religion.

That's a great way of summing it up, but even so, why should people need a "higher purpose"? Can't people just enjoy life without worrying about, "What it all means?"

Even still, Society would not be able to function without religion of some kind.

Very untrue. I don't see the Atheist population having any trouble functioning in society.

There may be those who believe that Religion is pointless

It truly is. For those who say, "Religion is what keeps people good and honest." But why should people need a false deity to be good people? That only shows a failure of character. It shows that you aren't mature enough to admit you have morals, and those morals come from your personal beliefs (not beliefs in a deity), and that you didn't get those morals as an "Added Bonus" with your god.

By the way, that counts as me joining the Atheist Army, does it not?

At 9/26/09 10:04 PM, Patton3 wrote: Just in case you would want to know, it's adieu. French for good bye. Honestly though, thank you.

oh my, Now I feel like an idiot! lol, thanks for correcting me man

At 9/27/09 09:52 PM, Archon68 wrote:

At 9/26/09 04:20 PM, TheFreedMan wrote: I believe that God is merely a ramification of the human mind. I believe that any Representation of all religions are simply idealisms created for man to have something to believe in. A something that is greater than ordinary man, to give people the reason to stride for greater things. Religion is based on the human need for meaning, or purpose in life. these needs for purpose, or reason to live, or even to continue living, are what drive the very foundations of Religion.

That's a great way of summing it up, but even so, why should people need a "higher purpose"? Can't people just enjoy life without worrying about, "What it all means?"

Perhaps it may seem silly to you, but some people might need reassurance that what they're doing has purpose

Even still, Society would not be able to function without religion of some kind.

Very untrue. I don't see the Atheist population having any trouble functioning in society.

Well, In my opinion, Atheism is a form of religion. Not one that does dances around a camp fire, or reads from a text once a week, but it is a belief. A religion that chooses not to believe that there is a floating man in the sky or a man with six arms. A religion that chooses to believe in Humanity, rather than spirituality. In my eyes, that is Atheism.

There may be those who believe that Religion is pointless

It truly is. For those who say, "Religion is what keeps people good and honest." But why should people need a false deity to be good people? That only shows a failure of character. It shows that you aren't mature enough to admit you have morals, and those morals come from your personal beliefs (not beliefs in a deity), and that you didn't get those morals as an "Added Bonus" with your god.

well, once again, this has to do with the question of what you define Religion as. The answer is basically the same as my above statement. and those who have chosen to believe in religion have not forsaken their humanity, but have given a portion of their

well, once again, this has to do with the question of what you define Religion as. The answer is basically the same as my above statement. and those who have chosen to believe in religion have not forsaken their humanity, but have given a portion of their

oops, I hit the post it button a bit early...good god, I'm tired... but, back to the point.

people who believe in a religion have only given a portion of their ability to decide for themselves out of fear of making the wrong decision. they believe that through faith, they will choose what is "right" or what was meant to happen to them, regardless if it is ever truly justified. Religion acts as a form of reassurance to one's actions to those who want it. This does not symbolize weakness, but it means that they are uncertain of what is to come, Just as all humans are.

Those who have acted upon desire, rather than faith, have greater freedom to choose the "correct" path, but have lost the reassurance a faith offers, even if it is not justified. The actions taken by these people are solely based on them as people, rather than the ideals set for those with a faith. In theory it seems it seems simple, but to many it is a scary thing. To move on without guidance, to delve into the unknown. Almost as if being lost in the dark without a light.

But even so, the actions of a Christian Don't entirely differ from those of an Atheist. A faith does not define what one does, or says, or what baseball team they cheer for. But perhaps that is a topic for another place and time.

Until next time, adieu

At 9/28/09 12:55 AM, TheFreedMan wrote: Well, In my opinion, Atheism is a form of religion. Not one that does dances around a camp fire, or reads from a text once a week, but it is a belief. A religion that chooses not to believe that there is a floating man in the sky or a man with six arms. A religion that chooses to believe in Humanity, rather than spirituality. In my eyes, that is Atheism.

Well in my opinion, the sky is red.

Atheism is lack of religion. Those religious people just gave it a name.

And even so, if it is a religion, if you define all beliefs as a religion, then of course, people can't function without beliefs. But most people, when they think about religion, think of gods and prophets, and all that nonsense. And society can function just fine without that.

I'm atheist. =D
There's nothing wrong with having religion, 'cause everyone's different.
But i just know that there is no god.

Go Science! =P

At 9/28/09 12:11 PM, Joeyy957 wrote:

But i just know that there is no god.

Go Science! =P

Be careful, it's actually considered bad science to say anything is absolute. The correct exclaimation would be "There may be a God, but there probably isn't."

Anyway, welcome :3.

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote: And society can function just fine without that.

I'm seeing it like the classic athletics movie scenario where the hero thinks he sucks, then takes steroids and wins... but, oh, those were just sugar pills. It was you all along! Yeeey :D.

Morality is the race and the bible is a sugar pill.

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote: But most people, when they think about religion, think of gods and prophets, and all that nonsense. And society can function just fine without that.

I really don't see what religion has to do with society "functioning badly". Religious people, including me, have nothing againist atheists, so why are you people gathering in a stupid thread like this flaming religion? Atheist Army my ass, you people are simply religion haters, that's what you are. Atheists aren't supposed to hate religion, they're supposed to not believe in religion, but always be nice to people no matter what they believe in. Well, that's what all the humans should do.

Too lazy; didn't read? Everybody believe in what they believe in, and keep it quiet. I was thinking of saying "shut the fuck up" instead but I don't want to be rude, especially to you Archon. Stop arguing over religion, people. Religion arguments have the power to destroy friendships, they are that strong, mainly because if the participiants believe in even the slightest different thing, they will NEVER come to an agreement and usually, become enemies.

At 9/29/09 10:25 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote:

I really don't see what religion has to do with society "functioning badly".

It doesn't. Religion becomes a problem when it interferes with how society is run. Society can function perfectly with it's citizens being religious, but if said citizens or religion prevent the positive progression of society, such as prohibiting certain theories or sciences based on facts or seek to deny other citizens basic civil liberties and rights, there's a problem.

Religious people, including me, have nothing againist atheists, so why are you people gathering in a stupid thread like this flaming religion?

I'm a Theist, and we don't gather in here to bash religion, we discuss it.

Atheist Army my ass, you people are simply religion haters, that's what you are. Atheists aren't supposed to hate religion, they're supposed to not believe in religion, but always be nice to people no matter what they believe in. Well, that's what all the humans should do.

Atheists don't hate religion, they just don't like it when religious people try to force their beliefs. They also don't like it when someone comes in here with your attitude throwing around generalized, unsubstantiated accusations.

Stop arguing over religion, people. Religion arguments have the power to destroy friendships, they are that strong, mainly because if the participiants believe in even the slightest different thing, they will NEVER come to an agreement and usually, become enemies.

This is why we discuss, to prevent becoming enemies. Only when either side feels threatened they become enemies. There's no need to avoid discussion, because there's no need to feel as if you're under attack. Emotions run high, but it comes with the territory.

At 9/29/09 11:44 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 9/29/09 10:25 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote:

I really don't see what religion has to do with society "functioning badly".

It doesn't. Religion becomes a problem when it interferes with how society is run. Society can function perfectly with it's citizens being religious, but if said citizens or religion prevent the positive progression of society, such as prohibiting certain theories or sciences based on facts or seek to deny other citizens basic civil liberties and rights, there's a problem.

This is what always confuses me. I'm a muslim, I believe in God, but I don't reject big bang either, for an example. Atheists have a wrong impression on theists: theists aren't ignorant, science-rejecting cunts, they do support science but they also have their own beliefs.

Religious people, including me, have nothing againist atheists, so why are you people gathering in a stupid thread like this flaming religion?

I'm a Theist, and we don't gather in here to bash religion, we discuss it.

Most of the posts I see here are either "Religion is stupid." or "Religion is pointless. Let me in." These people ARE bashing religion, and the people who try to prove them wrong. There is no point in arguing over religion, why do you argue? The point of an argument is to convince the opposite side(s), right? Well, nobody is stupid enough to convert their religion because of a dumb internet argument... or any argument for that matter.

Atheist Army my ass, you people are simply religion haters, that's what you are. Atheists aren't supposed to hate religion, they're supposed to not believe in religion, but always be nice to people no matter what they believe in. Well, that's what all the humans should do.

Atheists don't hate religion, they just don't like it when religious people try to force their beliefs. They also don't like it when someone comes in here with your attitude throwing around generalized, unsubstantiated accusations.

Personally, I'm not one of the people who try to convince atheists, and none of the people I know are. Well, I don't know any atheists in real life, but it wouldn't make any difference even if I did. Apparently, whenever religious people comes to the mind of atheists, they think of us as "dumb people forcing us." Atheists are stereotyping, that's the problem.

I'm trying to be smart and even-handed, I don't mean to "throw around generalized accusations."

Stop arguing over religion, people. Religion arguments have the power to destroy friendships, they are that strong, mainly because if the participiants believe in even the slightest different thing, they will NEVER come to an agreement and usually, become enemies.

This is why we discuss, to prevent becoming enemies. Only when either side feels threatened they become enemies. There's no need to avoid discussion, because there's no need to feel as if you're under attack. Emotions run high, but it comes with the territory.

Of course. I'm actually having fun having this argument, and I hope you feel the same. BUT, there are two subjects that never should be argued over too much: religion and politics. Speaking of politics, did you know that the founders of Adidas and Puma are actually brothers, but they parted ways because they had different views in politics and other stuff? And they have been mad at eachother since well over 60 years?

Sorry, just trying to say that science makes sence and god isn't.
Thanks btw for correcting me =P

Sorry to double post! but...

i don't think relgion is stuipd but i don't believe in god.

Man, im bad at spelling. Addias and Puma founders are brother 0_o wow.

At 9/29/09 01:05 PM, mrty wrote:

At 9/29/09 11:44 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 9/29/09 10:25 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote:

Atheists have a wrong impression on theists: theists aren't ignorant, science-rejecting cunts, they do support science but they also have their own beliefs.

Unfortunately, the Theists that garner the most attention are the ones people such as you and I want to disassociate ourselves from.

Most of the posts I see here are either "Religion is stupid." or "Religion is pointless. Let me in." These people ARE bashing religion, and the people who try to prove them wrong.

This is true, but understand that such posts are are a result of frustration towards the people I've mentioned above.

There is no point in arguing over religion, why do you argue? The point of an argument is to convince the opposite side(s), right?

The point of an argument should be the exchange of ideas, beliefs, and information so that either side understands the other with minimal misunderstanding interfering. To focus on "winning" or "converting" the other side detracts from and derails the original purpose and intent.

Well, nobody is stupid enough to convert their religion because of a dumb internet argument... or any argument for that matter.

If they do, it's simply because they've reached a conclusion that makes more sense than the one they held before the discussion.

Personally, I'm not one of the people who try to convince atheists, and none of the people I know are. Well, I don't know any atheists in real life, but it wouldn't make any difference even if I did.

Good to know.

Apparently, whenever religious people comes to the mind of atheists, they think of us as "dumb people forcing us." Atheists are stereotyping, that's the problem.

As long as the extremists receive attention and the sane ones are silenced or ignored, progress will be slow.

I'm trying to be smart and even-handed, I don't mean to "throw around generalized accusations."

Ok.

Of course. I'm actually having fun having this argument, and I hope you feel the same.

I am.

BUT, there are two subjects that never should be argued over too much: religion and politics.

Agreed.

Speaking of politics, did you know that the founders of Adidas and Puma are actually brothers, but they parted ways because they had different views in politics and other stuff? And they have been mad at eachother since well over 60 years?

That's very unfortunate, as different views shouldn't separate people to such a degree, especially brothers. But just because this happened doesn't mean people can't talk about religion and/or politics.

At 9/30/09 02:17 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Atheists have a wrong impression on theists: theists aren't ignorant, science-rejecting cunts, they do support science but they also have their own beliefs.

Unfortunately, the Theists that garner the most attention are the ones people such as you and I want to disassociate ourselves from.

Everything else you said is OK, but I don't get what you mean by "the ones such as you".

At 9/30/09 04:34 PM, mrty wrote:

At 9/30/09 02:17 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Atheists have a wrong impression on theists: theists aren't ignorant, science-rejecting cunts, they do support science but they also have their own beliefs.

Unfortunately, the Theists that garner the most attention are the ones people such as you and I want to disassociate ourselves from.

Everything else you said is OK, but I don't get what you mean by "the ones such as you".

What I meant was that me, you, and other moderate Theists are different from other believers that aren't as moderate as us. The ones that make Theists look stupid are the types that me, you, and other moderates don't want to be lumped as.

At 9/30/09 09:01 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: What I meant was that me, you, and other moderate Theists are different from other believers that aren't as moderate as us. The ones that make Theists look stupid are the types that me, you, and other moderates don't want to be lumped as.

I really don't understand why we would make theists look stupid.

At 10/1/09 09:53 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/30/09 09:01 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

I really don't understand why we would make theists look stupid.

Not us.

At 10/1/09 11:37 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/1/09 09:53 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/30/09 09:01 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

I really don't understand why we would make theists look stupid.

Not us.

Who then? Can you be more clear?

At 10/1/09 12:25 PM, mrty wrote:

At 10/1/09 11:37 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/1/09 09:53 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/30/09 09:01 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Who then? Can you be more clear?

The "who" that I'm talking about are the extremists of every religion that has God at it's core. Those people are the ones that make reasonable believers such as you and I look crazy.

At 10/1/09 03:13 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/1/09 12:25 PM, mrty wrote:

At 10/1/09 11:37 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

At 10/1/09 09:53 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/30/09 09:01 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote:

Who then? Can you be more clear?

The "who" that I'm talking about are the extremists of every religion that has God at it's core. Those people are the ones that make reasonable believers such as you and I look crazy.

To tell you the truth, the way you wrote your statements earlier were confusing me. I understand now, though. Which religion do you believe in, by the way? Christianity, I'm guessing.

At 9/29/09 10:25 AM, mrty wrote:

At 9/28/09 09:24 AM, Archon68 wrote: But most people, when they think about religion, think of gods and prophets, and all that nonsense. And society can function just fine without that.

I really don't see what religion has to do with society "functioning badly".

When it affects everyday life and our government, it does. And what's with some of those extremists? Much prejudice comes from religion, and interferes with the lives of everyone else. For example, Christians/Catholics are some of the most intolerant people I know. NO homosexuality, NO other religion is right, etc. etc.

Religious people, including me, have nothing againist atheists, so why are you people gathering in a stupid thread like this flaming religion?

We aren't flaming it, we're discussing it. Do you see me yelling?

Atheist Army my ass, you people are simply religion haters, that's what you are. Atheists aren't supposed to hate religion, they're supposed to not believe in religion, but always be nice to people no matter what they believe in. Well, that's what all the humans should do.

I agree with you. I'm not screaming at you for being religious, I'm discussing things in a mature and civilized manner. I'm a nice person, and so are most of the people in this thread.

Too lazy; didn't read? Everybody believe in what they believe in, and keep it quiet.

That's not necessarily a good thing. Where would the world be if everyone in history had kept their opinions, ideas, and beliefs to themself? We'd still be stuck with FORCED religion with punishment of DEATH for atheists/nonbelievers. It's a great thing that people can have any religion they want to, and it's even better that we can argue and discuss them freely.

I was thinking of saying "shut the fuck up" instead but I don't want to be rude,

That'd contradict your "Everyone should be nice" idea. :D

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