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Question: Why don't you guys just pretend to believe in something so like if there is some sort of 'afterlife' you'll be welcomed?

At 9/6/09 10:59 PM, aSquared94 wrote: Question: Why don't you guys just pretend to believe in something so like if there is some sort of 'afterlife' you'll be welcomed?

Better to live your life the way you want without being blackmailed then to die in shame. I follow my conscience and do what I know is right, and if "God" doesn't respect that, then fuck him, I'd rather be in hell than bow to something like that.

There is this fantastic comedian called Jim Jeffries and he does this bit on God, Hell, etc. Sadly its no longer on YouTube but I pretty much no it off by heart anyway.

He's Australian, drunk and vulgar... its recommend that you adopt the accent :D.

Jim: "... you've lied and cheated your whole life! The devil isn't gonna punish ya, you're one of his boys, he's gonna fucking dig you! The Bible is God's book, as far as I know the Devil hasn't released a book. And he's being the bigger man cause God's just writing shit about him and the Devil's going 'I'm not even gonna fucking comment son'."

Obviously it lacks the funny like that, but its a funny idea to contemplate nonetheless :).

At 9/6/09 07:43 PM, michelinman wrote:

It could exist outside the realms of time and space, or perhaps not at all.

My vote is for the latter. :)

And you have no proof to support this.

Me - How come god hasn't given us any blatant signs of his existence?

He does not intervene.

John 20:24 - 20:30

I'm not going to look that up, but I will assume that it says something about God showing Himself to someone, and in that case, there is a possibility that He has intervened.

Me - Why is it that although god spoke freely to people thousands of years ago, that he complete ignores us today?

Perhaps the Bible is false, and all the people claiming to hear him are crazies.

Perhaps. Studies show that the religious tend to have lower IQ's then atheists, so this may very well be the case.

I'm sure.

Me - The only thing driving modern man into these religions is fear of punishment for not doing so, and we refuse to be blackmailed into believing in things that aren't as likely the answer as some other theories.

Logic drove me to Religion.

Oh please do explain!

I find it interesting how Atheists always want Religious folk to keep their Religion to themselves, but once we say something like that, they are always more than happy to climb off their high horse. Anyway, what created our Universe?

Me - The atheist goal isn't to disprove god though, it's to find out the truth.

The Religious folks goal is to show you the truth.

No, the religious goal is to get into heaven, as expressed by the suicide bombers who would rather blow up a deli full of souls that could be converted and saved for personal gain instead of trying to do the right thing.

Heaven may or may not really exist.

Me - If god blatantly exposed himself, every person in this thread would renounce their ways and believe that he is what created the universe.

I disagree, most Atheists have already made up their mind that God is false and illogical and that there is absolutely no chance that He exists.

You REALLY think if a huge zeus-like figure dropped out of the sky and said I am your lord God, obey me, that we would all put our hands over our eyes and scream NUH UH NUH UH? My friend, you really need to stop being so biased against nonbelievers. I understand that the only way you can explain for our existence via your religion is that we are all either sinners or completely ignorant, but for real dude. We've got sense.

Not all of you, but I'm sure most of you would blame video trickery, smoke effects, mirrors, hallucinogenic substances, etc., etc. All of you are ignorant. I have sense, you do not.

Me - It isn't that we're terrible people who refuse to accept the truth, we're just accepting what we know as the most likely answer to our questions

Explain to me exactly why you feel God is unlikely.

I've never seen him, and he's never shown any existence of himself to me. It says in the bible that God is always with us, and it also says that anything we ask in prayer shall be ours. So since god is already right here, and anything I ask shall be received, why when I pray for God to show himself does he ignore me? I'm not going to post the scriptures because I don't want to look them up, but if you say I'm lying, I'll be more than happy to show you.

I have never seen Bulgaria, Bulgaria have never shown me that it exists, following your logic, odds are Bulgaria isn't real. The Bible is most likely a crock of shit. Studies have shown that prayer doesn't work, also why would He bother to answer an Atheist?

Me - simply because, based off of modern science, odds are we're right.

Tell me about these odds.

Would it really matter if I did? We both know that men know a good bit about this universe, and nowhere in it have we seen evidence that could be put on CNN and everyone in the world would instantly without doubt know God was real. You know exactly what odds I'm talking about. I hope...

There are no odds against God.

At 9/5/09 05:37 PM, HighJack wrote: Nev - The Bible doesn't explain. It makes things up.

Prove it.

The picture is for this post.

I don't remember the picture, but I do know that it does not disprove the Bible.

At 9/6/09 11:00 PM, michelinman wrote: Better to live your life the way you want without being blackmailed then to die in shame. I follow my conscience and do what I know is right, and if "God" doesn't respect that, then fuck him, I'd rather be in hell than bow to something like that.

I really doubt that when the time comes, you'd say that to God.

At 9/7/09 01:47 AM, HighJack wrote:
I really doubt that when the time comes, you'd say that to God.

I regularly tell some of the religious fuckheads I know to give my best to the benevolent fuck upstairs, so he can strike me down, since he's all powerful and all. Yep, three years and counting. By the way, I'll spell this out for you now, I'm just having fun with this. I won't waste my time trying to have an educated argument with you, as that would be like giving medicine to a dead man.

At 9/7/09 01:47 AM, HighJack wrote:

At 9/6/09 11:00 PM, michelinman wrote: Better to live your life the way you want without being blackmailed then to die in shame. I follow my conscience and do what I know is right, and if "God" doesn't respect that, then fuck him, I'd rather be in hell than bow to something like that.

I really doubt that when the time comes, you'd say that to God.

I promise you I would. I REFUSE to live in shame. I have honor. That's something you don't know the meaning of apparently. Would you suck dick for salvation? That's what it comes down to for me. And as for your long post above, the only one that raised a question was your bulgaria argument. My response is that thousands of people have written eyewitness accounts of seeing bulgaria. The only documented writings of Jesus were made 50 years after his death. You'd think that would have made a bigger mark in history.

You all would enjoy this.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Ha nd+of+the+Almighty&hl=en&client=firefox-
a&emb=0&aq=f#

Hey guys, can I join? I don't believe in God.

At 9/7/09 02:48 PM, Patton3 wrote: You all would enjoy this.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Ha nd+of+the+Almighty&hl=en&client=firefox-
a&emb=0&aq=f#

One day about a year ago I looked up fuck on limewire just for the hell of it, and I saw "The Hand of The Almighty (Will Fuck You Up.)" Needless to say, I was intrigued. It has since become one of my favorite songs, and my bobblehead Jesus on my dashboard rocks the fuck out to it. Very nice link Patton. Haha.

And XIII13, there isn't really "members" here anymore, if there ever was. We've just kinda been bullshitting about atheism and arguing with people who come in here trying to attack our beliefs. Feel free to jump in on the conversation.

At 9/7/09 12:23 PM, michelinman wrote: I promise you I would. I REFUSE to live in shame. I have honor. That's something you don't know the meaning of apparently. Would you suck dick for salvation?

Are you really telling me that you wouldn't sacrifice your honor to get into a magical place where you will always have everything you want, and that you would rather keep your honor and suffer for the rest of eternity? If you are really that stupid, I can guarantee that you would be begging God the moment you felt the pain of the flames.

That's what it comes down to for me. And as for your long post above, the only one that raised a question was your bulgaria argument. My response is that thousands of people have written eyewitness accounts of seeing bulgaria. The only documented writings of Jesus were made 50 years after his death. You'd think that would have made a bigger mark in history.

Thousands of people also claim to have seen/heard/felt God, why is that any different?

At 9/7/09 04:06 AM, Patton3 wrote: I regularly tell some of the religious fuckheads I know to give my best to the benevolent fuck upstairs, so he can strike me down, since he's all powerful and all. Yep, three years and counting.

You are quite ignorant, sir.

By the way, I'll spell this out for you now, I'm just having fun with this.

I'm glad to hear that it is fun for you to practice stupidity.

I won't waste my time trying to have an educated argument with you, as that would be like giving medicine to a dead man.

Well, it's nice to see that you don't lie, as you are making very uneducated arguments.

At 9/7/09 02:58 PM, XIII13 wrote: I don't believe in God.

Why? Give me one good reason to join Atheism.

At 9/7/09 04:24 PM, HighJack wrote: Are you really telling me that you wouldn't sacrifice your honor to get into a magical place where you will always have everything you want, and that you would rather keep your honor and suffer for the rest of eternity?

I bet that's how it feels when you're high on crack, but you don't see me down on my knees sucking dick for a rock. How could you live with yourself knowing full well you threw away all sense of dignity for personal gain? And do you really think that if there is a God, he created us so that he could punish those who wouldn't degrade themselves for him? I've heard some pretty piss poor arguments for religion before, but that one takes the cake.

If you are really that stupid, I can guarantee that you would be begging God the moment you felt the pain of the flames.

Better to die in dignity then live in shame.

At 9/7/09 12:42 AM, Nev wrote: There is this fantastic comedian called Jim Jeffries

I watched something he did, he was an unfunny bitch, he spent half the time talking about an egg he stuffed up his ass.

At 9/7/09 04:34 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 9/7/09 04:24 PM, HighJack wrote: Are you really telling me that you wouldn't sacrifice your honor to get into a magical place where you will always have everything you want, and that you would rather keep your honor and suffer for the rest of eternity?

I bet that's how it feels when you're high on crack, but you don't see me down on my knees sucking dick for a rock. How could you live with yourself knowing full well you threw away all sense of dignity for personal gain?

What good is dignity if you can't use it?

And do you really think that if there is a God, he created us so that he could punish those who wouldn't degrade themselves for him? I've heard some pretty piss poor arguments for religion before, but that one takes the cake.

It's not an argument, so much as a scenario, what if you're wrong, and Hell exists, and God is mean, and He burns you for eternity.

If you are really that stupid, I can guarantee that you would be begging God the moment you felt the pain of the flames.

Better to die in dignity then live in shame.

That's just the thing, you won't die, you'll burn forever.

At 9/7/09 04:34 PM, HighJack wrote:

At 9/7/09 02:58 PM, XIII13 wrote: I don't believe in God.

Why? Give me one good reason to join Atheism.

You have to come up with your own reasons. Personally, it's because I've never had anything that screams"GOD EXISTS" to me, and I figure if god loves me so much, he'd prove it by telling me.

At 9/7/09 04:34 PM, HighJack wrote: Why? Give me one good reason to join Atheism.

If you believe in God there is no reason.
I don't believe in God for the simple reason that I don't. I don't feel his presence, and I don't feel that he exists. Nothing in my mind thinks 'Yes, maybe God is real'.
Therefore I don't believe.

Atheists aren't the ones who go around to peoples houses recruiting. We're not that desperate :).

At 9/7/09 04:37 PM, HighJack wrote: I watched something he did, he was an unfunny bitch, he spent half the time talking about an egg he stuffed up his ass.

Yeah, thats a good video too :).

how you join?

At 9/8/09 11:32 AM, gingivere wrote: how you join?

Well you post more than a three word post and get into the discussion. :) Explain your exact beliefs and if any of the posts earlier up on the page intrigue you, quote them and throw in your two cents about what they said. Don't get pissed off and start insulting people, but at the same time, don't be afraid to put out your opinion on a matter. And as far as people who say ridiculous arguments just to try and piss everyone off, do your best to ignore them. We've had a few hiccups with people like that along the way. Hope to see you around more often.

This has almost become a discussion whether or not god exists! OMG!
I don't believe in god either, so can i join =D

At 9/7/09 04:30 PM, HighJack wrote: You are quite ignorant, sir.

I just enjoy seeing the puzzled look on their face when I say that I would only believe in God if given a reasonable amount of proof. "What, you need proof to accept a theory as to how everything that is, has been, and ever will be was created? Holy fuck, that is incomprehensible".
By the way, I'm not even trying to argue with you. Medicine to a dead man.

I'm glad to hear that it is fun for you to practice stupidity.

Hey, I'm sure you enjoy going to church, amirite?

Well, it's nice to see that you don't lie, as you are making very uneducated arguments.

You'll catch more flies with a teaspoon of honey than with a gallon of vinegar.
Actually, let me put it even more clearly: If you want people to listen to you, don't call them ignorant ass holes, and then lose your shit when they don't take you seriously and draw you into flame wars where it is blatantly clear to everyone that said person is just reveling in dancing circles around you.

At 9/7/09 04:24 PM, HighJack wrote:

At 9/7/09 12:23 PM, michelinman wrote:

Are you really telling me that you wouldn't sacrifice your honor to get into a magical place where you will always have everything you want, and that you would rather keep your honor and suffer for the rest of eternity?

If you really believe that Heaven is nothing but ice cream mountains, butterscotch rivers, rainbows, unicorn, gnomes and other Wonka-esque attractions, you are sadly, sadly mistaken. God doesn't need worship. He doesn't need anything, really, because He has no Ego to satisfy and inflate.

Thousands of people also claim to have seen/heard/felt God, why is that any different?

I have no qualms with this.

At 9/8/09 04:51 PM, Patton3 wrote: By the way, I'm not even trying to argue with you. Medicine to a dead man.

Medicine to a dead man. Hehe. Made a mental note of that one. :)

where it is blatantly clear to everyone that said person is just reveling in dancing circles around you.

Guilty as charged. :)

At 9/8/09 05:42 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: He doesn't need anything, really, because He has no Ego to satisfy and inflate.

Actually he does. He's jealous, remember? How an omniscient being is capable of such a petty human emotion is beyond me, but hey! His word is infallible! And it's nice to see you back dude. It's been a while. You been busy with something?

At 9/8/09 06:36 PM, michelinman wrote: Actually he does. He's jealous, remember? How an omniscient being is capable of such a petty human emotion is beyond me, but hey!

But he's God. He's the most jealous person imaginable.
As well as being the least.

At 9/8/09 06:36 PM, michelinman wrote:

At 9/8/09 05:42 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: He doesn't need anything, really, because He has no Ego to satisfy and inflate.

And it's nice to see you back dude. It's been a while. You been busy with something?

I saw that this thread was, at the time, a troll fighting fest, so I backed off until things cooled down. That and I just got back from an almost week long stay in Vermont. It's nice to be back :3.

god: mans way of dealing with the fact that he DOESNT know how he got here, why he is here and what happens when he is no longer here. his need to create an omnipotent being that is all knowing (hmm like galactus) who has a herald....gabriel or the silver surfer whomever you wanna call him, to warn us of his "coming". he loves us but he has already 2 times murdered hundreds of thousands of people. sodom and gamorrah, and that whole waterworld thing. but he does love us UNCONDITIONALLY nonetheless....unless we break these ten rules he has...which in turn makes that CONDITIONAL love...and lets not forget what happens if we do break one of his little rules. we go to a place full of our worse nightmares and sadness and pain and suffering....but if we obey the rules which in itself is impossible, we go to heaven! sounds like a car salesman selling u a dream. then there is the god made man in his image....so god is essentially, albert einstein, martin luther king, john f kennedy, adolf hitler, benito mussolini, and charles manson. hmm ok, so i can see the argument of man is the best and worst of god, but why would a god that says he is so loving let so many people die and suffer? yet christians.....who are just as human as us and are more often then not freaks behind closed doors look at a person thats agnostic or athiest as crazy insane evil people.

i personally have a personal vendetta with their "GOD"! thats just the way it is, i have my reasons.

i think the bible is exactly what it says...the greatest STORY ever told!

Tell me what you think of this, guys:

I recently heard a refutation of the Cosmological argument, and the main point was, of course, who created God? He asked the question "What exists but has no cause? Energy." The first thing that came to mind was "If Energy has always existed, why can't God?" Anyway, what I thought isn't important, but what he stated about energy always existing is. This led me to the conclusion that Pantheism is, in fact, a more logical position over the usual three choices of Atheism, Agnosticism, and Theism.

The reason? If we classify "God" as Energy, and Energy has always existed, then BING, problem solved. Thoughts? Of course, this only works if you choose to define God as Energy. If not, never mind.

I was an athiest for about a year when I was a teenager. I started losing sleep, and wasdepressed all the time. I eventually got myself out of athiesm by presenting the logical argument that since science is being corrected on a nigh daily basis, we don't know nearly as much about the world as we think we do. It followed that if that's the case, it's quite possible there is a god that exists in some form we don't know. Now, I don't pretend to understand any such being's motives, benevolence, or even its sapience, as unless we can comprehend the existence of such a being there is no point in attempting to comprehend its motives or een its ability to have motives, and that attemptiung to understand it through the narrow scope of Judeo-Christian religious beliefs is like attempting to score a bullseye on a dartboard while facing away and throwing over your shoulder.

I pretty much accept that something non-human is out there (whether higher/lower being, alien, or what have you) and move on with my life knowing that I probably won't have any contact with it at least ntil I die. That said, I DO believe in karmic balance, which is practically newtonian in its application, so while religion doesn't keep me in line my karmic beliefs keep me on track.

At 9/9/09 12:47 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: The reason? If we classify "God" as Energy, and Energy has always existed, then BING, problem solved. Thoughts? Of course, this only works if you choose to define God as Energy. If not, never mind.

If you define God as my balls, then God also exists.

Energy hasn't necessarily always existed unless you understand cosmology better than I do.

Saying anything like 'theism is right because God is love' or 'God is energy' or 'God is a tree' doesn't work for me - call energy God all you like, but don't think energy is interested in you or cares about you or has any Godlike qualities at all.