A Solution to Preventing Terrorism

[JMHX]

In this time of train bombings and the threat of racial profiling eroding our rights, people all over the world are looking for an effective way to prevent terrorists from wreaking havoc on innocent civilians. Governments from the United States to Great Britain to China have searched far and wide for a safe, effective, respectful way to combat the threat of global terrorism. Until now, they have made relatively little progress in the face of such a daunting enemy. However, I come to you today to say I have discovered an effective, racial profiling-free method of protecting our airlines, ports, buses and citizens from the specter of terrorism.

Ladies and gentlemen, may I present Operation Love.

Step 1: Any foreign citizen entering the United States as either a visitor or resident will provide U.S. Customs with information already gathered - name, age, nation of origin, gender - with one new addition: religion. They will then be given an armband bearing their nation's flag as well as their name, nation of origin and gender. This will help to detect at a glance where someone is from. In the event of any infraction with U.S. Law, a processing number will also be on the armband to speed up identification.

Step 2: The information gathered on the visitor's religion will be transferred to a second counter at Customs, which will distribute a patch displaying the emblem of said religion. The visitor, as a requirement for entry into the United States, will be required to wear this patch on their left breast pocket at all times. For those who do not know sewing, a uniform is generously provided thanks to the support of the fine people at Nike.

Step 3: Depending on the religious emblem displayed and the information available from the armband system, visitors will be given a set are a of 'permissable' travel and living areas. Certain 'high risk' groups will be discouraged from seeking residence in metropolitan areas or areas of importance to the functioning of city, state or federal government. Also, a curfew system will be enforced depending on the religious emblem. This will allow for members of one religious group to only be housed or surrounded by members of his or her own religious group to minimize conflict and encourage LOVE for all.

Using these safe and respectful steps will help to monitor the traffic coming into and leaving the United States, and allow for law enforcement to better identify high risk visitors. If the program works well, after a year it may be expanded to encompass everything from employment to marriage, and create a society which is truly respectful to ALL groups by providing a constant supply of that person's own ethnic and religious group with which to associate.

You'll love Operation Love.

[IllustriousPotentate]

Sure. This approach has been tried at least one other time that I know of, and it is very effective in terms of identifing a relgious sect whom the general populace feels is problematic and troubling, and using that identification to give those people special treatment.

[Werewolf91]

At 8/5/05 08:42 PM, -Illustrious- wrote: Sure. This approach has been tried at least one other time that I know of, and it is very effective in terms of identifing a relgious sect whom the general populace feels is problematic and troubling, and using that identification to give those people special treatment.

Are you refering to the Jews in Nazi territory who had to wear little stars of david on themselves?

If you aren't, I'm sure someone will bring that up.

>_>;;

[totalwar]

You know JMHX I'd like to think this would work but I've come up with some immediate problems the system would have:

1) The emblems will make hate crimes much easier to perpetrate as the red necks who commit them won't have to try and have their one neuron fire, a daunting task for such a group, to be able to discern if a given person should be hated.

2) The patches could be easily removed. And seeing as how this country is quite well mixed picking a non-citizen out of a crowd to check and see if he has removed the patches would be a hassle, if not impossible in most cases.

3) The seperation you described is exactly what is letting the terrorism problem get as bad as it has. With people on both sides of the terrorism conflict seperated by hundreds of thousands of miles they learn little about one another, and what they do learn is mostly the bad (ie what makes the news).

The terrorists don't learn about the real Americans who only want to live a peacful life, they see the frothy mouthed, Bible thumping, warmongering, extremists in the West; and we in turn see only the Jihad crazy, ass backwards, intolerant extremists over there. I mean we still have problems with hicks in the backwoods of the South trying to lynch a black person who they feel is inferior because that's what they were raised on and have seen no counter examples to. And they're only seperated by a few thousand miles at best.

4) Because of the fore mentioned problems this system would be a great breach of a persons rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I mean why not just draw a nice big cross-hair on their foreheads and backs and hand out rifles to the local yokels?

The best way to fight terrorism, and I'll admit it sucks, is to do absolutely nothing. They fight to correct what they fell are greavious injustices. If we attack them we only add to the list of reasons to blow up the ten story high rise in the middle of the city. Whereas if we take it like a five dollar slut, eventually the common populus of those hate ridden countries will come to see the good things. They'll have nothing else to look at.

It's civil disobedience, a la MLK, on a national scale. Many will suffer and die, but like in all conflicts the goal isn't to prevent all death, this is a goal none but a god could accomplish, instead the goal is to limit the casualties so that eventually a generation may be raised without fear.

JMHX I know you can do better than this. This is a plan that Bush would support. It is short sighted and ill-concieved. You disappoint me tonight. :|

[capn-g]

At 8/5/05 09:08 PM, Werewolf91 wrote: Are you refering to the Jews in Nazi territory who had to wear little stars of david on themselves?

If you aren't, I'm sure someone will bring that up.

>_>;;

I would have but since you brought it up, I don't need to. I think the implication is clear enough.

[ReiperX]

Wonder how long before they realize that he wasn't being serious.

[JMHX]

At 8/6/05 03:38 AM, ReiperX wrote: Wonder how long before they realize that he wasn't being serious.

Long enough for me to ram it through Congress like the bent over woman it is.

[poxpower]

At 8/6/05 03:38 AM, ReiperX wrote: Wonder how long before they realize that he wasn't being serious.

if you had posted this after the 15th reply, no one would have ever gotten to it before replying with a lenghty point-by-point counter-argument.
<3 politics

btw here's my 100% serious solution: bomb every place except canada.

[TehHazard]

fro out de muslims frum ur cuntrys dey juts cum tu us cuz dey suk

[Jimsween]

At 8/6/05 04:35 AM, JMHX wrote: Long enough for me to ram it through Congress like the bent over woman it is.

Why would you ram a bent over woman through congress?

:-/

[Werewolf91]

At 8/6/05 05:45 AM, Jimsween wrote:

At 8/6/05 04:35 AM, JMHX wrote: Long enough for me to ram it through Congress like the bent over woman it is.

Why would you ram a bent over woman through congress?

-/

Because she's probably kinky like that. >_>

[SuperRico]

well thats somewhat promoting racial seperation, the whole purpose of america is so that foreginers can come here to be equal in all respects, it seems like a good idea, but with the armband, wouldn't you take it off? i think we should take some agressive tactics and nuke somebody, somebody who desevvers it for once

[Proteas]

At 8/6/05 05:04 AM, -poxpower- wrote: btw here's my 100% serious solution: bomb every place except canada.

I still am quite fond of the "Bomb Mecca" theory, but that's just me....

[Yoogle]

At 8/6/05 12:30 PM, Proteas wrote:

At 8/6/05 05:04 AM, -poxpower- wrote: btw here's my 100% serious solution: bomb every place except canada.

I still am quite fond of the "Bomb Mecca" theory, but that's just me....

Bomb Mecca...check
Bomb Jerusalem...check
Bomb the Vatican...check

Showing the world your an asshole by destroying religious sites...priceless

[StarvedIntelligence]

OH yes! That is such a wanderfull idea... wait i think i have heard something similar. Yeah like sixty years ago or something i think they did something similar in europe. It involve yellow stars. And to make sure the populace was "safe" they restricted the rights of said people. Well it didn't work for them did it? They decided to use gas chambers. Re think your idea, though i believe you were being sarcastic...

No such program should ever be implemented in the united states and if it was i would leave

[ReThink]

At 8/5/05 08:32 PM, JMHX wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, may I present Operation Love.

Nice satire man, really, that's a real nice piece of work. Right up there with "a modest proposal" in my opinion.

What's freaky tho is that if this wasn't ousted as satire there would probably be people who support this kind of plan. I've been noticing a frightening movement towards facism in the US administration and culture. Nothing blatantly facist yet but the inclination is there.

Right now I'm listening to "Holiday" by Green Day and a particular verse stands out:

Zieg heil to the president gasman,
Bombs away is your punishment,
Pulverize the Eiffel Towers,
Who criticize your government,
Bang bang goes the broken glass,
Kill all the fags that don't agree

I love satirical political criticism

[ReiperX]

At 8/6/05 05:04 AM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 8/6/05 03:38 AM, ReiperX wrote: Wonder how long before they realize that he wasn't being serious.

if you had posted this after the 15th reply, no one would have ever gotten to it before replying with a lenghty point-by-point counter-argument.
<3 politics

btw here's my 100% serious solution: bomb every place except canada.

Yeah but as we saw on the outlawing masterbation thread even after you point out that its fake some people still take it seriously.

[seventy-one]

At 8/6/05 12:30 PM, Proteas wrote:.

I still am quite fond of the "Bomb Mecca" theory, but that's just me....

Why? What good could that possibly do? The idea was made on the wrong assumption that all muslims have contacts to terrorists and can call them at any time and say "Stop Blowing people up!"
Seriously, what logic could possibly make you uphold that theory? If a nuke is dropped in Mecca, (which by the way is in Saudi Arabia) then every middle eastern nation will declare war on the US and there allies, and they won't stop until you and your family is blown to pieces.

[totalwar]

At 8/7/05 03:00 AM, ReiperX wrote: Yeah but as we saw on the outlawing masterbation thread even after you point out that its fake some people still take it seriously.

Let us not forget the I don't believe in Gravity thread. Took all my mad physics skills to shut those idiots up. (shudder) Good that's a bad memory; I mean you think that they'd at least know that gravity is a law.

At 8/7/05 03:16 AM, seventy-one wrote: Why? What good could that possibly do? The idea was made on the wrong assumption that all muslims have contacts to terrorists and can call them at any time and say "Stop Blowing people up!"
Seriously, what logic could possibly make you uphold that theory? If a nuke is dropped in Mecca, (which by the way is in Saudi Arabia) then every middle eastern nation will declare war on the US and there allies, and they won't stop until you and your family is blown to pieces.

You're just playing along, right? Oh please tell me you're playing along!

[seventy-one]

At 8/7/05 10:31 PM, totalwar wrote:
You're just playing along, right? Oh please tell me you're playing along!

Should I be?

[Proteas]

At 8/7/05 03:16 AM, seventy-one wrote: Why? What good could that possibly do?

Destroying it destroys their religion and any thought of ever entering paradise... it also places the thought in their mind that Allah has forsaken them. You want to see a bunch of suicide bombers say "fuckit" and give up all hope of ever winning? BOMB MECCA.

[seventy-one]

At 8/8/05 04:14 PM, Proteas wrote:
Destroying it destroys their religion and any thought of ever entering paradise... it also places the thought in their mind that Allah has forsaken them. You want to see a bunch of suicide bombers say "fuckit" and give up all hope of ever winning? BOMB MECCA.

Well that makes sense, destroy an entire religion to which billions of peace-loving people worldwide practice, because some assholes decide to use a religion and twist it for their own personal gain. Osama Bin Laden isn't doing what he's doing because of Islam, he just wants world domination, and bombing mecca will help him get more, recruits. Why don't we just bomb the vatican every time a priest is charged with molesting a child? This fear of terrorism is going far out of hand.

[Proteas]

At 8/8/05 04:19 PM, seventy-one wrote: Well that makes sense, destroy an entire religion to which billions of peace-loving people worldwide practice, because some assholes decide to use a religion and twist it for their own personal gain.

Peace loving? Where is all this "peace loving" bullshit coming from? If they are such peace loving people, why isn't any member of the Muslim faith standing up to denounce the actions of the suicide bombers? Where was the public outcry the general Muslim population against the hijackers on 9/11? Where was it during the Madrid train bombings? Where is it now in the aftermath of the London train bombings?!

[seventy-one]

At 8/8/05 04:57 PM, Proteas wrote:
Peace loving? Where is all this "peace loving" bullshit coming from? If they are such peace loving people, why isn't any member of the Muslim faith standing up to denounce the actions of the suicide bombers?

Most muslims have, you just have to google "muslims agains terrorism" and you will find a bunch of muslim blogs and websites that denounce terrorism.

Where was the public outcry the general Muslim population against the hijackers on 9/11?

It was everywhere, but the western media didn't show it. There were a bunch of marches of Muslims condemning terror, but they only might have got a couple of seconds on the news.

Where was it during the Madrid train bombings?

http://www.cnn.com/2../madrid.anniversary/

Where is it now in the aftermath of the London train bombings?!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8740980/

Muslims scholars around the world have denounced terrorism, muslim groups have been formed to denounce terrorism, and muslim individuals have created websites, blogs etc., denouncing terrorism.

[totalwar]

At 8/8/05 05:53 PM, seventy-one wrote: Muslims scholars around the world have denounced terrorism, muslim groups have been formed to denounce terrorism, and muslim individuals have created websites, blogs etc., denouncing terrorism.

Yeah that's all good and well, but what should be happening is loud, clear, HIGHLY public denounciations. Shit that would make the U.S. news services and not just Al Jahzerra(sp). If Fox ain't willing to carry it it's not public enough. In a day and age where most Americans think Islam IS a religion of hatred, those who practice and know otherwise should be making loud statements in a form where Americans can see it.

[ReiperX]

At 8/9/05 02:17 AM, totalwar wrote:

At 8/8/05 05:53 PM, seventy-one wrote: Muslims scholars around the world have denounced terrorism, muslim groups have been formed to denounce terrorism, and muslim individuals have created websites, blogs etc., denouncing terrorism.

Yeah that's all good and well, but what should be happening is loud, clear, HIGHLY public denounciations. Shit that would make the U.S. news services and not just Al Jahzerra(sp). If Fox ain't willing to carry it it's not public enough. In a day and age where most Americans think Islam IS a religion of hatred, those who practice and know otherwise should be making loud statements in a form where Americans can see it.

Ahh Proteas on his downward spiral to ignorance. Most Americans I know know better than to think that Islam is a religion of hatred. Most of the Muslims think that the terrorist attacks were the wrong thing. But then again what more can we expect from a hate filled christian?

[LazyDrunk]

Hey look! It's those crrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaazzzzy christians again! And this time they're dancing around Muslim corpses! What will they think of next!

maybe carbombing a local restaurant, obviously

[bcdemon]

At 8/9/05 02:17 AM, totalwar wrote: Yeah that's all good and well, but what should be happening is loud, clear, HIGHLY public denounciations. Shit that would make the U.S. news services and not just Al Jahzerra(sp). If Fox ain't willing to carry it it's not public enough. In a day and age where most Americans think Islam IS a religion of hatred, those who practice and know otherwise should be making loud statements in a form where Americans can see it.

The people voicing the opinion against terrorism aren't in charge of what makes US news and what doesn't. I know CBC carries stories of muslims denouncing the acts, try a different news agency. And FOX won't show anything like a major Muslim cleric denouncing terror acts, that would decrease the number of ignorant americans who think islam is a religion of hate.
American have internet, they can see these statements. But they prefer to watch FOX and go with whatever guys like O'reilly have to say.
Besides, lost blondes in Aruba are better ratings than some old muslim dood bitchin about terror attacks.

[totalwar]

At 8/9/05 08:33 AM, bcdemon wrote: The people voicing the opinion against terrorism aren't in charge of what makes US news and what doesn't. I know CBC carries stories of muslims denouncing the acts, try a different news agency. And FOX won't show anything like a major Muslim cleric denouncing terror acts, that would decrease the number of ignorant americans who think islam is a religion of hate.
American have internet, they can see these statements. But they prefer to watch FOX and go with whatever guys like O'reilly have to say.
Besides, lost blondes in Aruba are better ratings than some old muslim dood bitchin about terror attacks.

Sure they don't have control of what makes US news, but they do know what US news channels show. They can thus voice their opposition to terrorism in a way that will catch the news' attention. Like it or not the innocent MUST prove their innocence in the court of public opinion. And to do that effectively they have to been seen and heard by that court's jury, the common American. Which means getting on FOX and CBS news, not the internet. The people who get their news off the internet with enough regularity to notice such a denunciation are usually smart enough to already know that Islam doesn't preach hate.

It may not be right or fair, but that is life.

[Proteas]

At 8/9/05 05:53 AM, ReiperX wrote: Ahh Proteas on his downward spiral to ignorance.

Argumentum ad hominem.

Most Americans I know know better than to think that Islam is a religion of hatred.

Argumentum ad populum.

Most of the Muslims think that the terrorist attacks were the wrong thing.

Argumentum ad populum....... again.

But then again what more can we expect from a hate filled christian?

Argumentum ad hominem..... AGAIN. Is this all you can do? At least seventy-one put effort into proving me wrong, and he's half your age. Your slipping.