U.S.-Canada relations

[Yoogle]

I just wanted an opinion from everyone on the relation between canucks and yanks

Everyone knows that US/Canada relation is a strange one.

We were enemy (War of 1812,War Plan Red, the latter was a plan from the US army to invade canada in the mid 30's) We also were allies (WW2, Korean war,and so many others)
and we also have our difference (Vietnam war, Iraq war 2003)

Also not all battle were true war but economic ones

But pass all the insult we throw at each others (Americans calling us Liberal Hippies,
and we calling them, Gun fanatic, warmonger)

We live in symbiotic relation with each other in a kind of a little/big brother thing

So id like to know did the relation between our two country soured or strengthen in the last decade?

[capn-g]

It goes back and forth. Certainly there have been many issues highlighting the relationship in recent years (soft lumber, drugs, border security, beef, etc) but I think they're just inevitable bumps in the road. We're joined at the hip in one of the longest standing and most successful trade relationships in history, so apart from the occasional social disagreement and friendly barbs, I think it would take alot to seriously damage the way we get along.

[BigBlueBalls]

I'd say our relations has weakened mostly because of Bush. He seems to have that way of pissing other countries off, that not many other presidents have had before him. Their media try to protray Canada as being uncooperative in the war on terror, even though we were the first to step in on 9/11 and not only let the planes land in our airports, we also had citizens volunteer to open up their homes to stranded Americans. Also, we sent thousands of firefighters and rescue workers from all over Canada to New York city. We supported the war in Afghanistan and sent thousands of troops there.

Then all of a sudden, Bush decides to go after Iraq for some odd reason and expect the world to cooperate. Canada said that we won't do it without world support and without sufficient evidence. So the U.S. invades anyway and acts like Canada doesn't do anything to help them in the war on terror, even though we actually are the ones focusing on chasing after those who caused 9/11. IMO if the U.S. filled up Afghanistan with the amount of troops in Iraq, we'd probably have Osama bin Laden and his deputy by now. Instead they're off trying to secure a country for no reason except a big dumb mistake by the U.S. thinking they had WMDs.

Ever since then, U.S. media protrays Canada as being this country that snubs the U.S. or a terrorist haven, which is funny considering none of the 9/11 terrorists came from Canada. Most of the anger from Canada comes from the fact most of us hate Bush and we realize there are many Americans who share our view. They did polls in Canada to test how well Bush would do in an election in Canada and something like 15% of Canadians would vote for him. That's how little support he has in Canada, so it's expected to cause some tension.

[madzakk]

There will always be differences between neighboring countries wherever you go. The US- Canada relations actually should be a model for many other nations. Despite minor differences, they are about as good as they get on the international stage. I have been in Canada, and I have to think about it to realize I am in another country (Except for Quebec, only because they speak French, primarily, but most do speak English. They've always been nice to me.).

[SEXY-FETUS]

Canada and US will always remain friends. Canada will always want US trade and US will always welcome canadian money (except those damn quarters always cloggin up our vending machines).
Ofcourse US will always be in control of the relationship and will let canada know that, a while back canadians were complaining too much in public and canada wasn't supporting our decisions globaly, boom we buy less canadian lumber, US owners of canadian businesses mess with things a bit and the US shows just a tiny bit how much we can actually effect your economy without any inconvinience to us and things start runnin smoothly again.

[jimbowales]

I also call americans "mexican touchers".

[madzakk]

At 8/5/05 04:32 PM, bilgin wrote: I also call americans "mexican touchers".

WHY?

[Yoogle]

At 8/5/05 05:46 PM, madzakk wrote:

At 8/5/05 04:32 PM, bilgin wrote: I also call americans "mexican touchers".

WHY?

Maybe because the US is just beside mexico.

[Buckdich]

Politically, americans and canadians are getting along just fine.

[Werewolf91]

I think relations are quite good between the US and Canada when I can look through my wallet and find about 3-7 canadian quarters at the very least.

[JoS]

Think of Canada and the US as an old married couple. Sure they fight occasionally, and often squable with eachother, but at the end of the day they stillg o to bed with eachother. Neither can make it without the other. The US relies on our power, water and our security to the north. We need there economy.

[TheReveiwer]

the US hates them claiming it's a broder issue we have a border witht hemt aht we can watch if that's a problem the real problem is perscreiptions they cost less there which hearts the right wings precious coperation friends

Bill Orily even called for a canadian boycott

and Southpark had ana ward winning song "Blame Canada" ((I heard it won a grammy or something like that))

[Camarohusky]

At 8/5/05 07:21 PM, TheReveiwer wrote: the US hates them claiming it's a broder issue we have a border witht hemt aht we can watch if that's a problem the real problem is perscreiptions they cost less there which hearts the right wings precious coperation friends

What? Border issue? What are you talking about?

Bill Orily even called for a canadian boycott

Yeah, but when has he ever said anything useful?

and Southpark had ana ward winning song "Blame Canada" ((I heard it won a grammy or something like that))

It actually won an oscar.

[TheReveiwer]

At 8/5/05 07:24 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 8/5/05 07:21 PM, TheReveiwer wrote: the US hates them claiming it's a broder issue we have a border witht hemt aht we can watch if that's a problem the real problem is perscreiptions they cost less there which hearts the right wings precious coperation friends

What? Border issue? What are you talking about?

Supposidly Canada lets nayone in even possible terrorists ((Note I said suposidly))

Bill Orily even called for a canadian boycott

Yeah, but when has he ever said anything useful?

Uhhh when he said his own name now we know his name

and Southpark had ana ward winning song "Blame Canada" ((I heard it won a grammy or something like that))

It actually won an oscar.

Oh my bad
hut I would of prefered if "Uncle Fucka" won that one was hilarious ((theys houdl release a full version because it says during the song soething like 2 hours later or something))

[JoS]

At 8/5/05 07:35 PM, TheReveiwer wrote:

At 8/5/05 07:24 PM, Camarohusky wrote: What? Border issue? What are you talking about?

Supposidly Canada lets nayone in even possible terrorists ((Note I said suposidly))

I assume you are refering ot the fact 4 of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. Which also then means 15 got into the US without going through Canada and you let them in, not to mention the 4 from Canada still had to pass through US Customs checkpoints before they got in. So we may have mroe liberal immigration policy, plenty of people have been rejected so don't get all high and mighty, you let in terrorists too, probally far more than we do.

So you can't really say supposedly lets in terrorists and claim this is a reason for friction. Its a reason for friction becasue the administartion wants to use it as a scapegoat for why these terrorists are getting in.

And why don't I mention how you let in a man who literaly showed up to the border after killing several family members, and the clothes he was wearing were covered in blood, he had a chainsaw with blood on it, knives and other weapons including brass knuckles, plus he was due in court 25 miles away in 12 hours in Canada, and you let him in.

[TheReveiwer]

At 8/5/05 07:24 PM, Camarohusky wrote: What? Border issue? What are you talking about?

Supposidly Canada lets nayone in even possible terrorists ((Note I said suposidly))

I assume you are refering ot the fact 4 of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. Which also then means 15 got into the US without going through Canada and you let them in, not to mention the 4 from Canada still had to pass through US Customs checkpoints before they got in. So we may have mroe liberal immigration policy, plenty of people have been rejected so don't get all high and mighty, you let in terrorists too, probally far more than we do.

I said supposidly as in that wasnt the true reason and yes they are using it as a scapegoat

the real problem the extreme right has is the pharmacuticles Canada has a fair price yet the far right beleaves their price caps cause higher prices here ((it's really conglomerates greed they couyld lower it here too)) so they use the borde rissue as a lame excuse one t hat I see through

So you can't really say supposedly lets in terrorists and claim this is a reason for friction. Its a reason for friction becasue the administartion wants to use it as a scapegoat for why these terrorists are getting in.

I did just say it's a lame scapegoat and the real reason the right hates canida is because of the meds I have no problem with Canada

And why don't I mention how you let in a man who literaly showed up to the border after killing several family members, and the clothes he was wearing were covered in blood, he had a chainsaw with blood on it, knives and other weapons including brass knuckles, plus he was due in court 25 miles away in 12 hours in Canada, and you let him in.

That story I didnt hear of but dont doubt it's trueness for a second

[Solthiel]

At 8/5/05 11:28 PM, TheReveiwer wrote: That story I didnt hear of but dont doubt it's trueness for a second

Unfortunately, it is true. Even though I'm not supporting his side of the argument, I saw the news report on it awhile back.

[TheReveiwer]

At 8/6/05 12:08 AM, Solthiel wrote:

At 8/5/05 11:28 PM, TheReveiwer wrote: That story I didnt hear of but dont doubt it's trueness for a second

Unfortunately, it is true. Even though I'm not supporting his side of the argument, I saw the news report on it awhile back.

I must of missed it but I was right not to doubt it's trueness

[capn-g]

It's 100% true. The guy was literally carrying a chainsaw with BLOOD on it amongst other things, including a crude, home-made sword.

And about the meds thing, here's a tid-bit you might want to consider: alot of those pharmaceuticals come from american companies. They sell them to us wholesale because they have to. So maybe, instead of griping about us redistributing cheap meds to you, you should be up in arms over the outlandish mark up you guys pay on medication manufactured in your own country.

[JoS]

You can buy almost anything on-line, why not prescription meds. I mean if its the only way for a senior citizen to get their heart medication then why not do it?

[Jimsween]

At 8/5/05 01:50 PM, The_Light wrote: We were enemy (War Plan Red, the latter was a plan from the US army to invade canada in the mid 30's)

I hear this so much from Canadians it's laughable. Find me a country we didn't make an invasion plan for.

http://en.wikipedia...olor-coded_War_Plans

[capn-g]

According to this, all Asian war plans were classified "yellow"

RACISM!!!!

;P

[Amway]

At 8/6/05 01:54 AM, capn_g wrote: alot of those pharmaceuticals come from american companies. They sell them to us wholesale because they have to. So maybe, instead of griping about us redistributing cheap meds to you, you should be up in arms over the outlandish mark up you guys pay on medication manufactured in your own country.

Agreed. It would basically be the same thing the US government does when it buys paperclips: you're a big, important customer (IE you're millions of tax payers), and you're gonna buy a lot of drugs, so the company let's you negotiate prices. This would be a logical step to take in the US if the majority of the population actually mattered. But since this would hurt the insane profits of U.S pharmaceutical companies, the idea is basically ignored or propagandized away.

[Alkador]

Since I am not from there, I will try to give the best possible assumption we receive from over here.

Most people here cannot associate the US from Canadian and generalize everyone as US (though my dad can tell by accents). From our side, it seems like the two countries appear to have no close ties, but no dark ones either. It would just be like the relation between Australia and Canada for us.

Overall, I doubt I have really seen any hate between each other. But then again, that's what it feels like over here.

[Pyrrho]

At 8/6/05 02:57 AM, Jimsween wrote:

:Find me a country we didn't make an invasion plan for.

"You forgot Poland."

[TheReveiwer]

At 8/6/05 01:54 AM, capn_g wrote: It's 100% true. The guy was literally carrying a chainsaw with BLOOD on it amongst other things, including a crude, home-made sword.

Like I said I didnt dout it's trtuth I just said I didnt hear of it ((Sounds like something stupid they'll do))

And about the meds thing, here's a tid-bit you might want to consider: alot of those pharmaceuticals come from american companies. They sell them to us wholesale because they have to. So maybe, instead of griping about us redistributing cheap meds to you, you should be up in arms over the outlandish mark up you guys pay on medication manufactured in your own country.

I do get pissed they sell to you whole sale and we get pissed over what goes on in your sovergn nation ((I'm assuming your canadian so ifyour not I appoligize)) We SHOULD get pissed over their huge mark ups here every personw ho dies because they cant get the meds they need SHOULD sue the companies ((Or their families should it's hard to sue when your dead))

but I dont run this country if I did I would encourage my people to get their prescriptions cheaper and if that means go to canada then hey I'll pay for an easy way for them to do that ((Or buy them form Canada and ship them to their doorstep))

You know most of us think Bill Orily is a dickhead ((He called for the canadian boycott)) and we know the real reason the extreme right loves companys and corperations they dont care for theaverage joe

but I personaly have NO problem with Canada

in factg could you do me a favor and show me the lyrics to "Oh Canada" ((On Wrestling a tag team sang it but their voices were horrible O_O but I bet the Canadian anthem would rule if sung by me or a hot girl with a pritty voice))

Oh and while your at it the Japanese anthem too ((I like their open stance on sexuality))

If I could cut and paste cultures I'll put Japans openness toward porno and sexuality Canadas carig for people witht he US Democracy but I should make a seperate topic for that

((My Longest post ever))

[Redwrath]

At 8/5/05 01:50 PM, The_Light wrote: I just wanted an opinion from everyone on the relation between canucks and yanks

So id like to know did the relation between our two country soured or strengthen in the last decade?

You forgot that yanks only refers to the northern (and eastern) part of the US.
I'm a Southerner.

I think the relationship between the countries has become stronger. However, the political goals of the two countries are very different at times. Then again... politians are the only ones who truly push those goals.

[TheReveiwer]

I just wanted an opinion from everyone on the relation between canucks and yanks

So id like to know did the relation between our two country soured or strengthen in the last decade?

You forgot that yanks only refers to the northern (and eastern) part of the US.
I'm a Southerner.

I think the relationship between the countries has become stronger. However, the political goals of the two countries are very different at times. Then again... politians are the only ones who truly push those goals.

anbd I'll say it again I have no problem with Canada and their kindly ways

Screw the corperations PRICE CAP PHARMICUTICALS HERE ALSO IF YOU DOT LIKE HIGH PRICES!!!

[Vladumeas]

Well as a Canadian I can tell that the apparent political tensions between canada and us is about only caused by the fact that Bush triggered a war without the support of the U.N. another thing is that our borders had always been a bit easier to get through than in the states... i mean we all know that no one will blow a bomb in canada... the ratio people killed\cost of the operation wouldn't be advantageous at all lol

[TheReveiwer]

At 8/6/05 05:56 PM, Vladumeas wrote: Well as a Canadian I can tell that the apparent political tensions between canada and us is about only caused by the fact that Bush triggered a war without the support of the U.N. another thing is that our borders had always been a bit easier to get through than in the states... i mean we all know that no one will blow a bomb in canada... the ratio people killed\cost of the operation wouldn't be advantageous at all lol

So in all honesty your a sovergn nation so it's none of our bussiness nless your activly supporting terrorists which before you leap on me Id ont think you are ((reguardless of what the extreme right says))

in fact I've said this endlessly Canada is open nice phalanthropidic people as far as I know who care for the people over the companys

and oddly enough I bet the unemployment rate is lower then the average temp there

plus it isnt crowded!

Man oh Man does Canada sound cool ((Anyway how hot is the English speackers French Speakers rivalry? Is it overly intense or just calm?))