Bin Laden's reason for hating...

[revolutionx]

The U.S?

I refer to Bin Laden directly, but I am really talking about anybody who falls in line with him. Call them terrorists, extremists, fundamentalists, ect. I will just say Bin Laden and hope you all know which group or groups of people I am refering.

Anyway...

Has anybody actually looked into Bin Laden's complains against the US and it's allies? Or is everybody pretty much on the "He attacked the US and killed 3000+ people..we don't care what the reason is!" mentality?

Are any of Bin Laden's points valid?

Does the US belong sticking our noses in other peoples issues? Should we intervene when two second-world countries have a civil war on holy land...that just happens to be oil rich? Why does the US not step into areas that the same things are happening, just not happening on rich soil..or where money can be made?

Why are US contractors brought into rebuild the contries we destroy? Why do US companies get richer when they are hired to repair destroyed power facilities, water plants, and other utilities, only after the US destroys them?

Why does the US invade a country, destroy the political system, install OUR political system, then stick around to make sure that OUR system works? Why not give the people the power and simply walk away and let them do with their new "freedom" as they wish? If we are liberating them, let THEM decide what is in their best interests...instead of waiting around to make sure that they buy into OUR system before leaving them alone?

Why is there a McDonalds on holy land?

We, by in large, are an unholy, immoral, violent, destructive, impatient, fat, lazy, stupid, GREEDY, society that believes in one thing and one thing only...MONEY! We don't care how we get it, as long as we get it all. We will never stop trying to get more. Ask someone what they would do if they won $100 million dollars, 9 out of 10 times the first thing they will say is "Invest half of it". No need, $100 million will EASILY take care of you for the rest of your life...but people want more.

We love money, and that is all. As a society that is.

That is how the rest of the world sees us. We are not the envy of the rest of the world, like we would like to believe. Especially in religious areas, such as the middle east. An area that is the birth place of man, where every religion started, where Jesus himself called home.

Bin Laden and his "terrorists" killed 3000 people during their attack on the US. If you take the LOWEST number, the US has killed over 40,000 in Iraq alone between 03 and now.
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While you remove your panties from your recetnly puckered butt, allow me a few more words...

I am in no way making light of the attacks on 9-11. I am in no way saing that Bin Laden is a good guy, or that what he is doing/has done is in any way justified. I do not agree at all with what he did, plans to do, or will do. He is a coward who hides in a cave, while he manipulates his minions into dying for his cause. I am just asking a question. I am curious as to how many people looked deeper into his accusations, and what your reply to them would be.

[gary-percival]

I agree with you (a lame insignificant post after all of that)

[seventy-one]

No, he's just using those reasons as excuses to recruit more terrorists, he's looking for flat-out world domination.

[ReiperX]

At 8/5/05 02:01 AM, RevolutionX wrote: The U.S?

Many reasons

I refer to Bin Laden ......

Has anybody actually looked into Bin Laden's complains against the US and it's allies?

Yes

Or is everybody pretty much on the "He attacked the US and killed 3000+ people..we don't care what the reason is!" mentality?

Many are

Are any of Bin Laden's points valid?

Yes, does it make the attacks on the US right, no. Neither side is innocent, and neither side is entirly evil either. As much as people who bash the US or people who bash Al Queda want it to be, neither side is totally good or evil both have their merits and flaws.

Does the US belong sticking our noses in other peoples issues?

We have a lot of problems at home that I feel need to be dealt with before getting our noses all into other people's businesses without being asked. Now if they are asking for assistance and we can offer it to them, then by all means. But a civil war we should stay out of all together for the most part. There are situations where it could be warrented.

; Should we intervene when two second-world countries have a civil war on holy land...that just happens to be oil rich?

Nope

Why does the US not step into areas that the same things are happening, just not happening on rich soil..or where money can be made?

It wouldn't effect the US so people tend to not care unfortunately.

Why are US contractors brought into rebuild the contries we destroy?

You do need to help rebuild after you invade, especially if you want to attempt to earn the people's trust.

Why do US companies get richer when they are hired to repair destroyed power facilities, water plants, and other utilities, only after the US destroys them?

Because they are the ones doing the work.

Why does the US invade a country, destroy the political system, install OUR political system, then stick around to make sure that OUR system works? Why not give the people the power and simply walk away and let them do with their new "freedom" as they wish

Because the country would be too unstable, and it would be too easy for a tyrant to just step back in power, and place the entire blame of their suffering on the US.

? If we are liberating them, let THEM decide what is in their best interests...instead of waiting around to make sure that they buy into OUR system before leaving them alone?

Its not entirely because we have to make our system work, we crippled a country we owe it to them to attempt to give them a better life and help them rebuild and help keep them safe until their country is stable to fend for itself.

Why is there a McDonalds on holy land?

Because its a job, and it makes money. Who cares.

We, by in large, are an unholy, immoral, violent, destructive, impatient, fat, lazy, stupid, GREEDY, society that believes in one thing and one thing only...MONEY! We don't care how we get it, as long as we get it all. We will never stop trying to get more. Ask someone what they would do if they won $100 million dollars, 9 out of 10 times the first thing they will say is "Invest half of it". No need, $100 million will EASILY take care of you for the rest of your life...but people want more.

100 million is a ton of money, but many people want to not only take care of themselves for the rest of their lives, but their families for generations to come. If I had 100 million, I'd invest 75 million for that purpose live off of the interest of 2.5 million <roughly 180k a year> and the rest would probally be given away to various people, or towards hiring people to do odd jobs for me for 70k a year. And opening a Hooters, a family restaraunt and a strip club.

We love money, and that is all. As a society that is.

That is how the rest of the world sees us. We are not the envy of the rest of the world, like we would like to believe. Especially in religious areas, such as the middle east. An area that is the birth place of man, where every religion started, where Jesus himself called home.

Umm not every religion started there. And personally I could care less what any people think of my country or myself. I live my life the way I see fit, don't really care if people like me or not, or think I am immoral or unholy.

Bin Laden and his "terrorists" killed 3000 people during their attack on the US. If you take the LOWEST number, the US has killed over 40,000 in Iraq alone between 03 and now.
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While you remove your panties from your recetnly puckered butt, allow me a few more words...

I am in no way making light of the attacks on 9-11. I am in no way saing that Bin Laden is a good guy, or that what he is doing/has done is in any way justified. I do not agree at all with what he did, plans to do, or will do. He is a coward who hides in a cave, while he manipulates his minions into dying for his cause. I am just asking a question. I am curious as to how many people looked deeper into his accusations, and what your reply to them would be.

I have, and posted my thoughts on your thoughts.

[holmzito]

Many of the points Bin Ladin make are quite possibly valid, that we a re a rich oil-hungry greedy country that will easily invade a foreign country for VERY bad reasons. American history books are pretty bad at representing the truth. if the history books said that we disolved the government of haiti and replaced it with a more compliant (and evil) government because they didn't do exactly what we wanted them to do, people would get upset. Or that we used to own most of central America, and exploited them for cheap labor for producing fruit, this would present a bad image of america.

But of course he make even more bad points. He says that our way of life is sinful (we do a lot of things the Koran says not to), and that we must die. Killing the innocent is never justified, and most of us can rest assured that his god will not applaude him for this. And he represents the extremists we see on tv, not islam itself. So get angry with him, not all arabs in general.

[Memorize]

At 8/5/05 02:01 AM, RevolutionX wrote:

Bin Laden and his "terrorists" killed 3000 people during their attack on the US. If you take the LOWEST number, the US has killed over 40,000 in Iraq alone between 03 and now.

That's if you put every iraqi death on the US.

[madzakk]

At 8/5/05 02:01 AM, RevolutionX wrote:

Does the US belong sticking our noses in other peoples issues? Should we intervene when two second-world countries have a civil war on holy land...that just happens to be oil rich? Why does the US not step into areas that the same things are happening, just not happening on rich soil..or where money can be made?

Civil war? Holy land? WTF?

Bin Laden and his "terrorists" killed 3000 people during their attack on the US. If you take the LOWEST number, the US has killed over 40,000 in Iraq alone between 03 and now.

1) Now Osama has a number his psycho ass can shoot for and 2) Paybacks are a MFer, anen't they.

[Yoogle]

You can train a dog to be a vicious fighter dont get suprised if one day he turns back on you.

Same thing happend with Bin Laden and the Mujahideen, and Irak, Iran too fits in there.

[AbstractVagabond]

Bin Laden hates the US because Saddam Hussein told him to. Now that Saddam's gone, Bin Laden is no longer a threat.

[Yoogle]

At 8/6/05 05:06 PM, Ovalshine wrote: Bin Laden hates the US because Saddam Hussein told him to. Now that Saddam's gone, Bin Laden is no longer a threat.

wha?! man i sure hope it a joke because if it not give me some of the stuff your smoking!

[Redwrath]

Ha! These radical religion "terrorists" are no more than extreme anarchists. When you look at their goals, they make some but not much sense. Most of them are making noise anyway they can because they will not or cannot join the peace process.

Does this justify the horrible things the US has done to people in the past. No.
Does this justify the horrible things the "terrorists" have done to people. No.

Everyone shares a part of the blame. The only person you can control is yourself.

[AbstractVagabond]

At 8/6/05 05:25 PM, Redwrath wrote: Everyone shares a part of the blame. The only person you can control is yourself.

You're wrong there. Because us Christians have dominion over everything (since only Christians can be considered human beings), we can control everyone we deem deserving of control. There's nothing you can do about it, either. It's God's will.

[Redwrath]

You're wrong there. Because us Christians have dominion over everything (since only Christians can be considered human beings), we can control everyone we deem deserving of control. There's nothing you can do about it, either. It's God's will.

Good for you...

Wait! God?... what? You want me to lead France to victory?... No?... You think he's wrong! HE doesn't have control over me? Cool!

[AbstractVagabond]

At 8/6/05 06:07 PM, Redwrath wrote: Wait! God?... what? You want me to lead France to victory?... No?... You think he's wrong! HE doesn't have control over me? Cool!

Very funny. You know darn well God hates anything that not Christian American. France hates God... that's why they smell.

[Redwrath]

Hell! I was over there. If you paid as much as they do for water, you wouldn't wash often either. And actually no one smelled bad when I was there.

[RoleplayerX23]

Ok, let go with a math. 40,000 in one yera and 3000 in one day, lets add 3000 every half month......see were im going with this. And so we are profiting off what we are doing i mean there going to be dead sooner or later over a ROCK. If they give there life for that i think they really kida deserve that.

[bcdemon]

I think Bin is justified by his beliefs. If he thinks what USA is doing is against his religion (national security for others) then why not. Of course some may not agree with his actions, but alot of people don't agree with actions on/in Iraq either.

[Masteronin]

You took all the words right out of my mouth friend.

[Redwrath]

People can have any beliefs they want as long as they don't act to harm others.

You can hate abortion, but you shouldn't kill doctors.
You can hate the US, but you shouldn't kill marines and civilians.

Honestly, there are a few horrible men out there that should have a bullet put in their heads.
Bin Laden probably fit in there with them.

[bcdemon]

At 8/8/05 12:08 AM, Redwrath wrote: People can have any beliefs they want as long as they don't act to harm others.

Agree 100% with that.

You can hate abortion, but you shouldn't kill doctors.

True enough.

You can hate the US, but you shouldn't kill marines and civilians.

Aren't you at "war" with them? Shouldn't they try to kill you in a war?

Honestly, there are a few horrible men out there that should have a bullet put in their heads.
Bin Laden probably fit in there with them.

Again I have to agree.

[GorillaUnit485]

At 8/7/05 07:05 PM, RoleplayerX23 wrote: Ok, let go with a math. 40,000 in one yera and 3000 in one day, lets add 3000 every half month......see were im going with this. And so we are profiting off what we are doing i mean there going to be dead sooner or later over a ROCK. If they give there life for that i think they really kida deserve that.

Hmm... Let me read this 4 or 5 more times to try to understand what you're saying.

Ok, I think I've got it. You're saying that we should do math, then you just said 2 numbers. Okay, got that part down. And to answer your question, no I have no idea where you were going with that.

Something about not caring about some kind of people dying over a rock, then saying they deserve it.

Alrighty, well I'm officially stupider. Thanks.

[bulletskygod]

Because every few years, a big event has to happen. Bin Laden would probably be the catalyst to this big event.

Looking at examples (The World Wars, The Civil Wars, The Vietnam Wars, Alexander the Great, the Crusades, The Purges etc...) I would say that it was coming sooner or later.

Let's just hope this would be more of a "negotiating" war rather than a nuke war.

[Jimsween]

So basically your saying it's our fault because were greedy.

Hmm... no. And FYI, you can't use the invasion of Iraq to justify 9/11, it happened afterwards.