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At 8/29/05 07:25 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/28/05 07:02 PM, SilentObserver wrote:

all powerful and all knowing.. No matter what reason you give for there needing to be suffering, temptation, hell, etc He could have fixed it and not lost anything in the process even if it seems impossible, because the bible said he is capable of the impossible....

Nicely put...Yeah bitches!!!

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At 8/4/05 12:16 PM, billytheradponi wrote: If I was God (I wish) and I saw all this happening, I wold at least try to do something to help, Gods true crime is that he does nothing

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Yeah ok I see your point but i'm talkeing about war and fighting, it shouldn't be allowed but he still allows it, it's like the Romans gladiatorial fights just over the world.
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if god stopped every bad person from doing what ever bad thing it is, what would heaven be, eh? No one would really care about going to heaven because heaven was already on earth. Plus, if god stopped one person, he would have to help them ALL. If he didnt, then every one who knew someone who was killed would be like "Gooood!!!! Why Didnt You Save HIM!!!!!!!!!! Dammit you dont care about me!! You really are a bastard, you know that, GOOOOOOD?" etc...and if people didnt care about heaven, they may lose faith. If they lose faith, its eternal damnation for them! And god dosnt want that.

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so by allowing-and just allowing-us to choose to kill each other we're not evil, he is?

blasphemy

you just earned yourself a one-way ticket to hell

although matthew 12 or thereabouts says "do not judge others, as you too will be judged. the measure with which you judge others will also be used against you" so i'd better shut up. do what you want. believe what you want. just know God isn't pleased.

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At 8/29/05 10:31 PM, WhiteMagic wrote: so by allowing-and just allowing-us to choose to kill each other we're not evil, he is?

No by having full knowledge that we will doing these things and still creating souls known to be damned...that is evil.

blasphemy

The punishment of blasphemy, by divine law, is death. 'He that blasphemeth the name of Jehovah shall surely be put to death, as well the stranger as he that is born in the land.'-- Lev. 24:16.

Luke 12:10, blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

Blasphemy is a sin against the virtue of religion by which we render to god the honour due to him as our first beginning & our end.

Do you think i dont know these things?Do you think i give a fuck?Im living life let him do something, every day i ask for is a true sign a vision come to me let me see you hear you...and then maybe i can truly believe in you,is that to much to ask?Fuck em.

you just earned yourself a one-way ticket to hell

Hey lets set it in stone....

"Jesus Christ was a bastard and his mother was a whore"- Blasphemous quote of all time

Dude its gonna be one hell of a party,everyone gonna be there...you shouldnt miss it.

"The word of God is what one chooses to believe, not a universal truth that unerringly applies to all people"

Do you know that that quote is just as blasphemous as the first quote in certain religions.

Your belief in your particular version of God is not sufficient justification for you to impose your will on others.I dont go around trying to poison people with lies im shedding light on darkness as jesus thought he was doing right.Pharisees accused jesus of blasphemy for claiming to be the son of god(I dont like to capatalize his name...well because its not worth it,oh so scandalous,blasphemous....o yeah)he was being blasphemous in his time i am being blasphemous in my time,i could care less.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6).

Blasphemy!!!

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

Blasphemy!!!

John 10:31-33 [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Dude he said he was god...in those crazy times you shouldnt go around saying someshit like that.

John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

That is blasphemy.He dint absolve our sins through his sacraficial crucifixtion he wasnt the salvation of man we are cursed if anything.Jesus deluded by visions of grandeur but Jesus,who was made a little inferior to the angels counldnt be god in the flesh proclaiming a fundamental truth?Ofcourse jesus existed before his arrival on earth... But he is not not god himself:

In Matt. 24:35-36 Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah."

Huh?I thought you being one like the the father is all knowing therefore would have full knowledge of your resurrection.

Mark 10:18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."

He speaks of a higher entity(Hehehe...tity...hehe...sorry).

Fuck the holy trinity arguement there is no mention of it in the bible.Only followed by absolute blind faith.

Seven Last Words from the Cross 1993 [46'24]
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do [5'45]
Woman, Behold thy Son! … Behold, thy Mother! [5'07]
Verily, I say unto thee, today thou shalt be with me in Paradise [8'18]
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? [6'28]
I thirst [5'30]
It is finished [6'46]
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit [8'10]

Matthew 27:46 "Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?"

God would not need to plead to himself he speaks to another one that is not him therefore he was blasphemous and you call me out on the same sins of a great messiah...HAHAHAHA.

although matthew 12 or thereabouts says "do not judge others, as you too will be judged. the measure with which you judge others will also be used against you"

Matthew 7:1, which says, "Judge not, that ye be not judged." "Why do you judge?"

Was Paul guilty when he judged Peter? (Galatians 2:11-21)

Was jesus damned when he judged the religious leaders and other sinners?

The Greek word for "judge" is the Greek verb "krino." The same word is used in John 7:24, which reads, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

So if done accordingly its all right dont be so hard on yourself...

*Offer WhiteMagic a hit of the bong*

Gen 1:29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food."

See god says we must cherish his gifts...

Damn and im the atheist...hehehe...*Cough*...Damn thats good shit.

so i'd better shut up.

Nah come speak your mind...

do what you want. believe what you want. just know God isn't pleased.

I will.I will.Im not either.If you see him tell him Nitro said "the feeling is mutual"

Peace,Peaches,& Porn-Nitro

"Now, now my good man, this is no time for making enemies."
- Voltaire (1694-1778) on his deathbed in response to a priest asking that he renounce Satan.

God i love that man.

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At 8/29/05 08:14 PM, Climyn wrote:

if god stopped every bad person from doing what ever bad thing it is, what would heaven be, eh? No one would really care about going to heaven because heaven was already on earth.

And why cant there be heaven on earth why doesnt he end it all already start a new and give us freedom from this nightmare earth is no middle ground its not the waiting loungue were in fucking hell.For this he is EVIL.

Plus, if god stopped one person, he would have to help them ALL.

So hes all powerful.

If he didnt, then every one who knew someone who was killed would be like "Gooood!!!! Why Didnt You Save HIM!!!!!!!!!! Dammit you dont care about me!! You really are a bastard, you know that, GOOOOOOD?"

So hes all loving.

So are you saying he doesnt have the power or the love?If its the love then he is EVIL and if its the power,well then that raises the questions of what kind of deity is this to be praised?

etc...and if people didnt care about heaven, they may lose faith. If they lose faith, its eternal damnation for them!

See people only truly care about saving their soul and heaven and not the true word of god people are to care about god not receiving a VIP pass to his kingdom.Doesnt god see behind all that and still doesnt come down here with a warning why?Well i think you know the answer is...

....all together now...1...2...3...

*Simultaneous thread chant*
*All my atheist*

EVIL!!!!!!

And god dosnt want that.

Ofcourse not...

:: EVIL!!!!

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You say God doesn't do anything but just because YOu haven't seen anything doesnt mean God doesn't take care of his own.
In any case, the bible also says that 1000 years is only like 1 day to God, and in that case God's only been away for 2 days.

All evil stems from selfishness, and all selfishness stems from Lucifer.
God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

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At 8/30/05 05:19 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote: You say God doesn't do anything but just because YOu haven't seen anything doesnt mean God doesn't take care of his own.

O shit so im not his own?Im not a creation of god? I dint devote 15 years of blind faith to his bullshit word?

In any case, the bible also says that 1000 years is only like 1 day to God, and in that case God's only been away for 2 days.

Hes one evil bastard to be on vacation will this shit is going down.

All evil stems from selfishness, and all selfishness stems from Lucifer.

Keep going.....
And lucifer stems from...GOD!!!!

God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

WTF DUDE DONT COME IN HERE WITHOUT A BETTER ARGUEMENT!!!

I have posted some many statements proving he is evil and thats what you come at me with?Shit i wouldnt sacrafice my own son for a society that i know is gonna fall to inevitable corruption and swim in sin...and im gonna give up my son for that?So does that make me evil no it makes me loving maybe selfish but wise and if so is god stupid or does he just see jesus as he sees all his creations pawns merely on a board there for his bidding only.What did god think of his own son that he made him do this...or was god not thinking but just being true to his malovent nature.

"All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God". -Voltaire

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him. -Voltaire

We are not born knowing of god therefore he was made by man not before man.

If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated. -Voltaire

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but it was something jesus was willing to do, not against his wishes...whoa...yoda moment...

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At 8/30/05 06:01 AM, nitroxide wrote:

At 8/30/05 05:19 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote: You say God doesn't do anything but just because YOu haven't seen anything doesnt mean God doesn't take care of his own.

O shit so im not his own?Im not a creation of god? I dint devote 15 years of blind faith to his bullshit word?

The bible doesn't really specify how long Lucifer devoted himself to God but I'd bet it was more than 15 of our years before he became self-absorbed and betrayed God.
God was very pleased with Lucifer up until that betrayal.

In any case, the bible also says that 1000 years is only like 1 day to God, and in that case God's only been away for 2 days.

Hes one evil bastard to be on vacation will this shit is going down.

Its common biblical knowledge that God allows Lucifer to take his best shot at mankind and earth with the hope that peoples will make the right decisions and not turn away from God.

All evil stems from selfishness, and all selfishness stems from Lucifer.

Keep going.....
And lucifer stems from...GOD!!!!

Lucifer was the first to commit the sin of selfish vanity out of his own freewill.

God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

WTF DUDE DONT COME IN HERE WITHOUT A BETTER ARGUEMENT!!!

From what I hear, Lucifer also gets upset when calgary is brought up.

I have posted some many statements proving he is evil and thats what you come at me with?

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You've already demonstrated a complete lack of biblical knowledge and haven't proved anything.

::Shit i wouldnt sacrafice my own son for a society that i know is gonna fall to inevitable corruption and swim in sin...and im gonna give up my son for that?So does that make me evil no it makes me loving maybe selfish::

All evil stems from selfishness

:: but wise and if so is god stupid or does he just see jesus as he sees all his creations pawns merely on a board there for his bidding only
What did god think of his own son that he made him do this...or was god not thinking but just being true to his malovent nature.::

For some reason God cares so much for YOU that he allowed his son to die so that all your sins are paid for, including your current blasphamy. Your ticket to eternal life in heaven has already been purchased. If you turn it down thats your choice, a choice that requires effort and refusal. Its pretty simple and trying to turn it into something more complex than it is is just another deception.

"All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God". -Voltaire

There have been men born with more/less than ten fingers and Jesus was born with knowledge of God.

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him. -Voltaire

The extent of man's inventions as foretold only proves further that God exists not vice versa.

We are not born knowing of god therefore he was made by man not before man.

God is, was and always will be. He is the creator, not the created.
Mans selfish desire for knowledge was the first sin of mankind.
The extent of Mans knowledge is far from the level of Gods.

If God created us in his own image, we have more than reciprocated. -Voltaire

God created us in his owm image and man has reciprocated by murdering his innocent son, and continuing to betray him with sin and selfish evil.
All he asks is your love and unselfish devotion.

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DAMN who needs bible study when you have NG lol

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At 8/30/05 07:06 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

Its common biblical knowledge that God allows Lucifer to take his best shot at mankind and earth with the hope that peoples will make the right decisions and not turn away from God.

Why do that? For what purpose would he possibly want to do that?

All evil stems from selfishness, and all selfishness stems from Lucifer.

Im an atheist according to your religion that is evil.. and Im not an atheist for selfish reasons.. Im an atheist because I see no credible evidence for current treligions...

Lucifer was the first to commit the sin of selfish vanity out of his own freewill.

And God being all knowing, before lucifer's creation knew he would commit sin.... Therefore God Knowingly created sin and therefore he is the stem of all evil...

God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

Why do that.. Why have his son die? He is all powerful.. there waqs no need.. unless his reason was to see his son die...

You've already demonstrated a complete lack of biblical knowledge and haven't proved anything.

For an atheist (someone who holds the bible about as credible as the charlie brown cartoon) Id say hes demonstrated remarkable knowledge of the bible.....

For some reason God cares so much for YOU that he allowed his son to die so that all your sins are paid for, including your current blasphamy. Your ticket to eternal life in heaven has already been purchased. If you turn it down thats your choice, a choice that requires effort and refusal. Its pretty simple and trying to turn it into something more complex than it is is just another deception.

Okay and his son dieing was necessary for God to let us in to Heavan how??? I mean seems to me he knew what the result would be// considering he is all knowing... Sooooo He knew what would hapen.. doesnt seem neccessary at all.. Unlees all he wanted was for Jesus to die...

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At 8/30/05 04:13 AM, nitroxide wrote:

stuff

This guy here has done his homework... Seems to actually know what he's talking about...

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Oh, what a surprise. The atheists can't stop bumping this thread up, don't you 13-17 year-olds going through a misery stage have anything better to do?

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At 8/30/05 06:47 PM, Redbob86 wrote: Oh, what a surprise. The atheists can't stop bumping this thread up, don't you 13-17 year-olds going through a misery stage have anything better to do?

Ohh Im 18.. your mistake I guess ^.^.... Well you posted.. that means youve bumped the thread a little, don't you have something better to do? I mean we post here because we think its usefule extension of our time.. You went out of your busy day to tell us that we were wasting time.. If its such a waste of our timne why did you reply? my guess is your going through a defensive stage ^.^

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YES I DONT HAVE TO GO TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL!! in your face GOD!!!

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At 8/30/05 06:40 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

This guy here has done his homework... Seems to actually know what he's talking about...

But the trick is he actually doesn't. He uses the half-retarded bastard child of logic to createthe illusion that he knows what he's talking about.

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At 8/30/05 07:26 PM, lollerskaters wrote:

At 8/30/05 06:40 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

This guy here has done his homework... Seems to actually know what he's talking about...

But the trick is he actually doesn't. He uses the half-retarded bastard child of logic to createthe illusion that he knows what he's talking about.

Can you give a specific instance of this?

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Most of his arguments can be summed up by the classic "If God is real, then why do bad things happen?". Stopping problems that are caused by man would be a violation of free will. Natrual disasters are a balance, if there were never any sickness or disasters, then we'd be approaching overpopulation alot faster.

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At 8/30/05 07:45 PM, lollerskaters wrote: Most of his arguments can be summed up by the classic "If God is real, then why do bad things happen?". Stopping problems that are caused by man would be a violation of free will. Natrual disasters are a balance, if there were never any sickness or disasters, then we'd be approaching overpopulation alot faster.

uh huh the way the world works now.. But he could have made it so that can not pssibly be a problem.. It seems impossible to us, but he is supposed too be capable of the impossible.

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At 8/30/05 07:45 PM, lollerskaters wrote: Most of his arguments can be summed up by the classic "If God is real, then why do bad things happen?". Stopping problems that are caused by man would be a violation of free will.

He could have made a world where there were no problems and we had freewill.. Again it seems impossible but he is supposed to be capable of that... So the only real rreason for us to suffer if he exists is that he wants us to suffer....

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At 8/30/05 08:45 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

He could have made a world where there were no problems and we had freewill.. Again it seems impossible but he is supposed to be capable of that... So the only real rreason for us to suffer if he exists is that he wants us to suffer....

Then what's the point of living if everything is perfect? We would lie around and do nothing because weed would need to better ourselves. Heaven is supposed to be your reward for living a good live. If it were perfect it'd be to easy.

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There is some serious bible jousting going on in this shit. Bravo, bravo to all, a good internet fight I have not seen such in ages.

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At 8/30/05 07:30 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/30/05 07:26 PM, lollerskaters wrote:

At 8/30/05 06:40 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

This guy here has done his homework... Seems to actually know what he's talking about...

Thank you im glad someone is actually reading some post before ranting bullshit out there mouth.

But the trick is he actually doesn't. He uses the half-retarded bastard child of logic to createthe illusion that he knows what he's talking about.

Can you give a specific instance of this?

*Crickets*

Extacly...Ill be waiting.

Martyr thanx for the defense i havent been back in this thread in a minute.Time to answer some post.

*cracks fingers*

wait first....

*packs bong*

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At 8/30/05 06:47 PM, Redbob86 wrote: Oh, what a surprise. The atheists can't stop bumping this thread up, don't you 13-17 year-olds going through a misery stage have anything better to do?

First off im 21 second you havent even had the balls or decency to reply to my rebuttal of your post a couple of pages ago and you come here spilling your mouth trying to get yourpost count up will adding absolutely nothing to the thread...SHUT THE FUCK UP PUNK ASS!!!

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I didn't see your stupid reply. I don't live at this board. And frankly, why the hell should I justify myself to some shitforbrains who thinks everything is fucked up? I'm not here to seek your goddamn approval. Seriously, you're not hard to figure out, you're one of those misery types that listens to too much metal and often quotes song lyrics. You think the shit you say is somehow unique? Shitheads like you come a dime a dozen.

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At 8/30/05 07:06 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

At 8/30/05 06:01 AM, nitroxide wrote:

The bible doesn't really specify how long Lucifer devoted himself to God but I'd bet it was more than 15 of our years before he became self-absorbed and betrayed God.

Ok i guess you dont get my point up until those fifteen years i was completely faithful i was one of his own but he dint do nothing for me.So i felt betrayed.

God was very pleased with Lucifer up until that betrayal.

Give me one passage were it speaks of lucifer prior to the betrayal?

Satan was created an angel. Ezekiel 28:12-14

He was highest created angel. He became arrogant in his beauty and status, and decided he wanted to sit on a throne above that of God (Isaiah 14:13-14; Ezekiel 28:15; 1 Timothy 3:6).

Where does it speak of the the years of servitude?

I know this:
Peter 2:4

"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”

ANGELS plural ok...

"And war broke out in Heaven;
Michael and his angels fought
Against the Dragon: and the
Dragon and his angels fought,

"But they did not prevail,
Neither was a place found for them in
Heaven any longer.

"So the great Dragon was cast out,
That serpent of old, called
The Devil and Satan, who deceives
The whole world; he was cast to
The Earth, and his angels were
Cast out with him."
Rev:12:7-9

So war broke out...
war

3: an active struggle between competing entities; "a price war"; "a war of wits"; "diplomatic warfare" [syn: warfare] 4: a concerted campaign to end something that is injurious; "the war on poverty"; "the war against crime" v : make or wage war [ant: make peace]

He had followers that also believed in him.You dont know what the hell was going on up there.War is evil right?War was born in heaven a kingdom so perfect yet corruption still seeped through...Now sure you will say it was as a result of satan but they went into battle and god allowed his creations to fight amongst eachother having full power to stop it before it even ever happened...evil.

Its common biblical knowledge that God allows Lucifer to take his best shot at mankind and earth with the hope that peoples will make the right decisions and not turn away from God.

Ok...so then its common knowledge he is EVIL.He allows as you said "allows"(Great in justicies)lucifer to praye and play with the minds of men in order to test us.Evil.If he gave him freewill then with full knowledge that through his betrayal sin would enter the world then he is evil for "allowing" sin to taint man.

Keep going.....
And lucifer stems from...GOD!!!!

Lucifer was the first to commit the sin of selfish vanity out of his own freewill.

and if lucifer used freewill to commit this sin freewill then leads to evil and its gods gift...So god is evil.

God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

Why didn't God just destroy Satan?

Because sin had entered the world, and into the very nature of man through adams transgression, then for god to destroy Satan, he would also have had to destroy the man he loved. But god had a better way. A way of Redemption.

And Christ the Redeemer was on his way !

Sound like a blockbuster hit...*pops some popcorn*
I love these badass redemption movies.

Oh come one hes fucking god snap your fingers Boom!!!One...2....3....its all over everything is perfect....Why play these games...*Cough*evil *cough*

WTF DUDE DONT COME IN HERE WITHOUT A BETTER ARGUEMENT!!!

From what I hear, Lucifer also gets upset when calgary is brought up.

Nah i think satans kool with canada...weed is practically legal...You know satan smokes sage...Abadon hits the Bong...ooo oooo wait one more...Lucifer loves lie(urban term for reefe ...hehehe...I slay myself.

I have posted some many statements proving he is evil and thats what you come at me with?

You've already demonstrated a complete lack of biblical knowledge and haven't proved anything.

HAHAHAHA!!!! Im not really into insulting peoples intelligence but umm....

*bites toungue*

Ill be the better man...

*astounded*
shit and im the non-believer.

that make me evil no it makes me loving maybe selfish::

All evil stems from selfishness

Well let it be...

But if im selfish for not casting my own son into a life of resentment from the masses that will ultimutely lead to his savage death all will knowing that it will not do any good....well then im selfish...but hes evil,for doing so.Being selfish is not the only type of sin.

For some reason God cares so much for YOU

I have other problems does he care about those.

that he allowed his son to die so that all your sins are paid for, including your current blasphamy.

Hey even jesus was guilty of blaspehemy in his time...time passes,religions change and whose to say christiany or catholism or any of these religions of our time will exist in the distant future.

Your ticket to eternal life in heaven has already been purchased. If you turn it down thats your choice, a choice that requires effort and refusal. Its pretty simple and trying to turn it into something more complex than it is is just another deception.

Alot of your arguements seem to be come from blind faith and its gonna be really hard to get through to you...

"All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God". -Voltaire

There have been men born with more/less than ten fingers and Jesus was born with knowledge of God.

TYLER
Oh, I get it. It's very clever.

JACK
Thank you.

TYLER
How's that working out for you?

JACK
What?

TYLER
Being clever.

JACK
(thrown)
Great.

TYLER
Keep it up then. Right up.

Tyler stands, looks toward the aisle.

TYLER
Now a question of etiquette: As I pass, do I give you the ass or the crotch?
----Fightclub-----

your an ass you know what the quote meant....

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him. -Voltaire

The extent of man's inventions as foretold only proves further that God exists not vice versa.

No the qoute means that man needs to make false higher deities in order to maintain civil and moral order...against our very nature.

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At 8/30/05 06:38 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/30/05 07:06 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

Its common biblical knowledge that God allows Lucifer to take his best shot at mankind and earth with the hope that peoples will make the right decisions and not turn away from God.

Why do that? For what purpose would he possibly want to do that?

Freewill. Man gets to choose whether to follow God or Lucifer.

All evil stems from selfishness, and all selfishness stems from Lucifer.

Im an atheist according to your religion that is evil.. and Im not an atheist for selfish reasons.. Im an atheist because I see no credible evidence for current treligions...

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That is a extremely selfish reason. YOU have to have proof (knowledge) of God for YOUR own satisfaction in order to give YOUR devotion to God.
It doesn't work like that, its a matter of faith.

Lucifer was the first to commit the sin of selfish vanity out of his own freewill.

And God being all knowing, before lucifer's creation knew he would commit sin.... Therefore God Knowingly created sin and therefore he is the stem of all evil...

The bible clearly states that sin does not come from God.
You seem to think that God owes you an explaination of his entire master plan when in reality you deserve eternal punishment.

God allowed his only son to be crucified just to give humanity a chance to redeem himself, putting humanitys need above all others, therefore God cannot be evil.

Why do that.. Why have his son die? He is all powerful.. there waqs no need.. unless his reason was to see his son die...

Because Jesus was the only one who was pure.
The bible says" the wages of sin is death" so once someone sins they are destined to die. However Jesus never sinned, not even once. So by killing him, they put to death someone who did not deserve the wages of sin. And his wrongful death and innocence was enough to pay for the entire sins of the world and is the only way man can redeem himself in the eyes of God.

You've already demonstrated a complete lack of biblical knowledge and haven't proved anything.

For an atheist (someone who holds the bible about as credible as the charlie brown cartoon) Id say hes demonstrated remarkable knowledge of the bible.....

For someone with remarkable biblical knowledge he sure has many questions. I have not seen anything remotely remarkable in his posts.

For some reason God cares so much for YOU that he allowed his son to die so that all your sins are paid for, including your current blasphamy. Your ticket to eternal life in heaven has already been purchased. If you turn it down thats your choice, a choice that requires effort and refusal. Its pretty simple and trying to turn it into something more complex than it is is just another deception.

Okay and his son dieing was necessary for God to let us in to Heavan how??? I mean seems to me he knew what the result would be// considering he is all knowing... Sooooo He knew what would hapen.. doesnt seem neccessary at all.. Unlees all he wanted was for Jesus to die...

I answered the first part above.
It was God's will that Jesus be put to death, out of his love for US.
See, Lucifer thought along the same lines that killing Jesus would be a devestating blow to God, but it was in fact the opposite effect. It was Lucifers defeat in his quest to condemn humanity. Thats why the mere name of Jesus has power over Satan.

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At 8/30/05 08:45 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/30/05 07:45 PM, lollerskaters wrote: Most of his arguments can be summed up by the classic "If God is real, then why do bad things happen?". Stopping problems that are caused by man would be a violation of free will.

He could have made a world where there were no problems and we had freewill.. Again it seems impossible but he is supposed to be capable of that... So the only real rreason for us to suffer if he exists is that he wants us to suffer....

He did make such a world of no problems with freewill. It was called the garden of Eden. Man was meant to live forever without disease and suffering.
The only reason mankind suffers is because he chose to do so long ago and continues to do so today.

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At 8/30/05 07:06 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

At 8/30/05 06:01 AM, nitroxide wrote:

At 8/30/05 05:19 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

We are not born knowing of god therefore he was made by man not before man.

God is, was and always will be. He is the creator, not the created.
Mans selfish desire for knowledge was the first sin of mankind.
The extent of Mans knowledge is far from the level of Gods.

God’s Original Design for Man – To live out of revelation knowledge.

God designed man to be a daily recipient of revelation knowledge. In the Garden of Eden, man walked and talked with God. Adam and Eve were receiving revelation knowledge daily from Almighty God.

Satan’s Temptation - That man descend to reasoned knowledge.

Satan entered God’s perfect plan with a temptation: Man could become like God,through knowledge that god was trying to hog because he only wanted man to know what he allowed him to know keeping him ignorant and opressed through knowledge we gain insight,we see the lies,and deception,and hypocrocy in his word
and he fears this...he needs to keep the truth of life to himself and for this he is evil...

I feel a theme in my post...Could it be evil...

No wonder he wants to portray knowledge outside his own widom as evil...

Moreover, man soon learned that by living out of reason or knowledge he is not able to fulfill God’s purposes for his life, because man’s thoughts are not God’s thoughts, nor are man’s ways God’s ways. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are God’s thoughts higher than man’s thoughts (Isa. 55:9). Man was told not to depend upon his own thoughts (Prov. 3:5)

Is it not evil to force man to go against his very nature?

God created us in his owm image and man has reciprocated by murdering his innocent son, and continuing to betray him with sin and selfish evil.

No..... we have reciprocated his very image, which evil...DAMN i guess voltaire is to deep for you it seems to be going right over your head.

Or maybe yes....We killed his son and he did...he was the one the that sent him to earth to die...either way we have shown our evil as he has...his image is reciprocated...GET IT.

All he asks is your love and unselfish devotion.

*Cough*Blind faith.*cough*

I apologize in advace for the lack of biblical knowledge in my post...<sarcasm>(just in case its over your head).

Knowledge is Power.
It is the key
It is truth
And will expose all lies

Peace,Peaches,& Porn

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At 8/31/05 01:07 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

At 8/30/05 06:38 PM, TheMartyr18 wrote:

At 8/30/05 07:06 AM, ScrunchMuppet wrote:

For someone with remarkable biblical knowledge he sure has many questions. I have not seen anything remotely remarkable in his posts.

Hahaha....First there for you...so you can reflect on things...

Second as i stated prior god whores the truth so what am i left with but questions....

Third...Hahahaha...I know the truth...step out of the darkness